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Not Afraid 12-12-2005 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812
We need a prison planet. Or, to start, a prison space station. Heh.

They did that once. It was called America. ;)

Name 12-12-2005 07:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid
They did that once. It was called America. ;)

I think you mean Australia.....

wendybeth 12-12-2005 07:51 PM

Both, actually.

Kevy Baby 12-12-2005 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman
(is there some reason the U.S. is alone with, who? Korea, Iran and their ilk as still having the d.p. in this day and age?)

Countries with the death penalty:
  • Afghanistan
  • Antigua and Barbuda
  • Bahamas
  • Bahrain
  • Bangladesh
  • Barbados
  • Belarus
  • Belize
  • Botswana
  • Burundi
  • Cameroon
  • Chad
  • China (People's Republic)
  • Comoros
  • Congo (Democratic Republic)
  • Cuba
  • Dominica
  • Egypt
  • Equatorial Guinea
  • Eritrea
  • Ethiopia
  • Gabon
  • Ghana
  • Guatemala
  • Guinea
  • Guyana
  • India
  • Indonesia
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Jamaica
  • Japan
  • Jordan
  • Kazakhstan
  • Korea, North
  • Korea, South
  • Kuwait
  • Kyrgyzstan
  • Laos
  • Lebanon
  • Lesotho
  • Liberia
  • Libya
  • Malawi
  • Malaysia
  • Mongolia
  • Nigeria
  • Oman
  • Pakistan
  • Palestinian Authority
  • Philippines
  • Qatar
  • Rwanda
  • St. Kitts and Nevis
  • St. Lucia
  • St. Vincent and the Grenadines
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Sierra Leone
  • Singapore
  • Somalia
  • Sudan
  • Swaziland
  • Syria
  • Taiwan
  • Tajikistan
  • Tanzania
  • Thailand
  • Trinidad and Tobago
  • Uganda
  • United Arab Emirates
  • United States
  • Uzbekistan
  • Vietnam
  • Yemen
  • Zambia
  • Zimbabwe

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman
I find the timing of this prominent gangster execution very interesting on a personal level, as today was the day that the two gangsters who paralyzed my nephew in a school drive-by were each sentenced to 120 years -to- life in prison. It was a highly charged, emotional court hearing, much moreso than I exepected. There was gang violence over the sentence just outside the courtroom that had to be broken up by the baliffs, and my entire family was escorted from the courthouse by a cadre of sheriffs.

I heard about that on the way home and thought about you. I am sorry that this continues to be such a trauma for you and your family.

€uroMeinke 12-12-2005 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby
Countries with the death penalty:
  • Afghanistan
  • Antigua and Barbuda
  • Bahamas
  • Bahrain
  • Bangladesh
  • Barbados
  • Belarus
  • Belize
  • Botswana
  • Burundi
  • Cameroon
  • Chad
  • China (People's Republic)
  • Comoros
  • Congo (Democratic Republic)
  • Cuba
  • Dominica
  • Egypt
  • Equatorial Guinea
  • Eritrea
  • Ethiopia
  • Gabon
  • Ghana
  • Guatemala
  • Guinea
  • Guyana
  • India
  • Indonesia
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Jamaica
  • Japan
  • Jordan
  • Kazakhstan
  • Korea, North
  • Korea, South
  • Kuwait
  • Kyrgyzstan
  • Laos
  • Lebanon
  • Lesotho
  • Liberia
  • Libya
  • Malawi
  • Malaysia
  • Mongolia
  • Nigeria
  • Oman
  • Pakistan
  • Palestinian Authority
  • Philippines
  • Qatar
  • Rwanda
  • St. Kitts and Nevis
  • St. Lucia
  • St. Vincent and the Grenadines
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Sierra Leone
  • Singapore
  • Somalia
  • Sudan
  • Swaziland
  • Syria
  • Taiwan
  • Tajikistan
  • Tanzania
  • Thailand
  • Trinidad and Tobago
  • Uganda
  • United Arab Emirates
  • United States
  • Uzbekistan
  • Vietnam
  • Yemen
  • Zambia
  • Zimbabwe

And what great company to be in

Name 12-12-2005 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kevy Baby
  • Afghanistan
  • Antigua and Barbuda
  • Bahamas
  • Bahrain
  • Bangladesh
  • Barbados
  • Belarus
  • Belize
  • Botswana
  • Burundi
  • Cameroon
  • Chad
  • China (People's Republic)
  • Comoros
  • Congo (Democratic Republic)
  • Cuba
  • Dominica
  • Egypt
  • Equatorial Guinea
  • Eritrea
  • Ethiopia
  • Gabon
  • Ghana
  • Guatemala
  • Guinea
  • Guyana
  • India
  • Indonesia
  • Iran
  • Iraq
  • Jamaica
  • Japan
  • Jordan
  • Kazakhstan
  • Korea, North
  • Korea, South
  • Kuwait
  • Kyrgyzstan
  • Laos
  • Lebanon
  • Lesotho
  • Liberia
  • Libya
  • Malawi
  • Malaysia
  • Mongolia
  • Nigeria
  • Oman
  • Pakistan
  • Palestinian Authority
  • Philippines
  • Qatar
  • Rwanda
  • St. Kitts and Nevis
  • St. Lucia
  • St. Vincent and the Grenadines
  • Saudi Arabia
  • Sierra Leone
  • Singapore
  • Somalia
  • Sudan
  • Swaziland
  • Syria
  • Taiwan
  • Tajikistan
  • Tanzania
  • Thailand
  • Trinidad and Tobago
  • Uganda
  • United Arab Emirates
  • United States
  • Uzbekistan
  • Vietnam
  • Yemen
  • Zambia
  • Zimbabwe

Sweet, all those third world countries.....

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 12-12-2005 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendybeth
Both, actually.

Yes. I realize this. But we've run out of continents, people. We need to move this action into space. And then we can have Prision Planet Mars, and in a few hundred years, the prisoners will be just like the good upstanding citizens of Australia and the USA.

Heeee!

Alex 12-12-2005 08:11 PM

Actually, it wasn't so much America as Georgia.



Like I said, I support the death penalty in theory but not in practice. It has nothing to do with revenge or closure or comfort. I just think there are acts that are so heinous that removal from the human race is the appropriate response.

But I have no problem with the many people who think otherwise.

In reality I don't think the death penalty is a sentence that can be consistently and accurately applied and therefore it is like using toothpaste as lube, it works in theory but not so much in practice.

Nothing I've seen indicates that Williams deserves clemency for the facts of this individual. That said, I'd applaud long and loud if the governor pulled an Illionois and commuted ALL the death penalty sentences.

Mousey Girl 12-13-2005 01:46 AM

It is done.

Boss Radio 12-13-2005 03:50 AM

Whatever.

Now all the big-hearted celebrities can go back to their mansions after grandstanding to the cameras, leaving the clean-up to the T-shirt gypsies, while we brace for the inevitable martyr marketing machine that will shower us with Tookie R.I.P. clothing and talking Tookie Furbys (Gangs are bad! Put down that gun and pick up a book!)

Perhaps Scott Peterson can take heed and release a coloring book called “Killing Pregnant Ladies is Bad”, and then maybe, just maybe, he can get clemency because he’s turned over a new leaf.

And good old Charlie Manson can pen a Pop-Up Book warning the dangers of listening to the White Album with a group of drug-addled followers who obey your every command: (Killing is wrong, even if you think the Beatles told you to.)

The victims all might have gone on to write award-winning children’s books, but they didn’t get that extra 25 years to follow that dream. They got dead instead.

The Death Penalty is far from perfect. The system is inherently flawed, as are the people who make it run. But, and it is always a but, there needs to be the ultimate punishment for the ultimate crime.

Personally, I’d much rather see taxpayer money go towards community outreach to help out the next generation of underprivileged kids, than to watch it go toward three squares a day, computer access, exercise equipment and medical resources on lifers. Let them generate their own power on treadmills, let them grow and prepare their own food. If the food runs out, they can eat each other.

But that's just my opinion.


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