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wendybeth 07-14-2007 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 150002)
Such is the nature of a representative republic. We do not live in a democracy.

While I understand what you meant by this short, rather terse statement, you should not be surprised by the vehement rebuttal. You said 'yikes' to the responses, but when I read this I was a bit angered. I don't think JW was out of line in his response, Scaegles- if one of us makes a post like this that you know to be wrong, you are pretty good at pointing it out as well.;)

scaeagles 07-14-2007 08:15 PM

Well, why it isn't a big deal, I don't think I've ever started a post with "WRONG!". I do, of course, point out what I disagree with - as is the nature of discussion.

wendybeth 07-14-2007 08:48 PM

Well, if you had posted that in response to my comments about an elected representative, I must say I would have responded in a similar manner. JW was right, your statement as it stood was wrong. These sorts of things strike a nerve in people, and with all the merde we have been subjected to since this whole strange McCarthy-like era began I expect more and more people are going to start speaking out when these quaint little hate-radio ideas are espoused. (Not saying you were intentionally doing so, but it definitely smelled like Rush for a few minutes in here). You made a strong (and somewhat cynical) statement kind of blowing off ABG's post regarding her own representative's response to her concerns and JW provided information that pointed out the inaccuracy of that statement.


Have I mentioned our air conditioner is still broken and it's 95 degrees in our house? I think I need one of these::cheers:

scaeagles 07-14-2007 09:13 PM

If you hadn't gone on that cruise you'd be able to afford a new AC.:p

But back on topic.....

How can I expect my elected representative to have the time to give a rip about what I think? Seriously. There are about 300,000,000 people in the US, and 435 representatives, or about 690,000 people per representative. How is it possible to even begin to hear all of the opinions of constituents? How is it possible to respond to letter without it being a form letter? I think there is an unrealistic idea of what a representative can do.

So I make no apologies for not being sympathetic regarding an unresponsive representative. It isn't possible to respond to everyone, or even have a staffer do so. We elect officials and sometimes those officials have vastly differing points of view than we do and we have to live with it.

wendybeth 07-14-2007 09:20 PM

I know- graft and corruption can be soooo time consuming.;)

wendybeth 07-14-2007 10:04 PM

Oh, and I am going to post from the ship, just to torment you.

innerSpaceman 07-14-2007 10:11 PM

really, scaeagles, your last post seemed almost designed to invite the unpleasant notion - borne out by reality - that our representatives have only the wherewithal to respond to the constituencies who finance their re-election campaigns, rather than those who actually re-elect them.

JWBear 07-14-2007 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by sleepyjeff (Post 150106)
Well, on a national level we don't vote for anything(not even the President) directly....so I suppose they may have an argument(although I am not taking it up here....just saying I can see what they mean) in that regard.

We directly elect our representatives to the federal government. Our votes for President tell our state's Electors how to vote (at least in theory). I'd call this democracy at work.

sleepyjeff 07-14-2007 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 150134)
We directly elect our representatives to the federal government. Our votes for President tell our state's Electors how to vote (at least in theory). I'd call this democracy at work.


Quite true....what I meant to say is that we don't decide, directly, any of the laws we live by, or how much we pay in taxes, or where our money gets spent, etc.

scaeagles 07-15-2007 06:53 AM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 150131)
really, scaeagles, your last post seemed almost designed to invite the unpleasant notion - borne out by reality - that our representatives have only the wherewithal to respond to the constituencies who finance their re-election campaigns, rather than those who actually re-elect them.

Such is politics.

This is why I don't understand why there are restircitions (well, actually I do understand, but it irritates me) on PACs and various special interest groups in how they can lobby and spend money, etc. The only chance that I have an individual is join with other like minded individuals to combine our resouirces to get noticed.

I have often believed that corporations contribute to campaigns - and typically they donate to both sides of the aisle - as something like protection money.


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