I really have to wonder if that's really the point of discussing politics, It seems to me, that most people do it to convince themselves that thier own opinions are right, and others are wrong. Shifting opinions would spoil the fun.

I'm a bit puzzled by this post. I re-read the entire thread but I don't see any hateful comments being flung around (including your post, for that matter). I just see people being passionate about what they believe. Does it get snide at times? Sure, people get frustrated on both sides but I don't think that should be confused for hatred.

Although, perhaps you are talking about hatred for this president, something I hear quite often from the right. Supposedly, I hate my president and my country because I disagree with the direction we have taken. It is just not true though, as much as some would love to believe it. I hate that our soldiers are dying every day. I hate that our spending is out of control and that Iraq is eating up a good chunk of our tax dollars. I hate that Osama Bin Laden continues to walk free. Those are the things I hate, not President Bush, and certainly not America. I just don't think that Bush is doing a particularly good job. You don't have to hate the man to disagree vehemently with his policies.

MBC: If you are questioning my use of the word "hateful" I would just say that while the posts in this thread may not be the worst, most hateful things ever said, that there is still an underlying hatred of our president that is quite apparent here. I will not quote any of the words of people here because then it will turn into a pissing match, and I just don't have the patience for it. Suffice it to say that yes, I believe that there have been examples of hatred; even if not overt.

As far as my use of words like "rhetoric" and "vindictive": if you cannot see that in this thread (and many of the conversations about politics and our president) that these words do apply, then you need to take off the rose-colored glasses. The rhetoric is thick and being used by BOTH sides.

Lastly, while I have stated my opinions on our president, I have not taken a side in this thread. If you read the second link I provided, it was more about how things are not so rosy in Iraq.

:jumping in: I still hate this arrogant little sh*t! :) :jumping out:

Wimp! :D

What me wimpy?

Stupid liberal media always focusing on the negative side of war. Don't they know that true patriots want sunshine blown up their ass?

back to being snide again-

I'm sorry I ever share these things with people here- the snottiness and attitude are stifling.

"I AM ASHAMED OF MY FELLOW AMERICANS WHO WOULD RATHER SEE TERRORISM SUCCEED THAN A REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT."

People are just reacting in kind.

Sorry, didn't mean to stifle you. I was just matching the tone of your original post.