This is quasi-hopeful. LOST actor Daniel Dae Kim (who plays Jin, and a yummy shirtless one in the previous episode) has this to say about the finale:

That does bode well for us then.....If it was a poorly written finale I doubt if he'd gone out of his way to say such nice things about it and instead just give the stock "the viewers will be pleased" mumbo-jumbo.

Lot's of backlash.

Only if they kill Kate.

I like Kate. If they were going to kill anyone off, I'm thinking Claire. She bugs me.

There is a lot of Kate hate out there amongst Lost fandom.

Not super spoilish, but does contain the name of next weeks episode and who it centers around...

A little Kate goes a long way...in a supporting role she is great but when the episode is about her........well, lets just say Kate centric episodes tend to be slow moving, pointless, convoluted, contrived, and worst of all.......Boring.

Not that I have an opinion or anything on the subject;)

And a lot of Claire hate.

Remember the big outrigger canoe chase of last season?

Remember Illana's hospital visit with Jacob?

Could these two be connected somehow?

According to Darlton, the name of the final episode is:

;)

Could the Candidates be pawns? Game pieces that are maneuvered about, concealed, protected and sometimes captured by the opponent?

Non-candidates such as Richard, Juliet and Desmond may play extremely important parts.....perhaps they are Bishops and Knights......but the true power of being a pawn, is that only pawns can be Queened, and therefore shift the balance of power. This means pawns need to be protected, and sometimes sacrificed for the greater good............ So who is the pawn that is to be queened?

HAPPY LOST DAY!!!!!!!

I saw GeminiCricket!

Best Episode this year......perhaps best ever!

:snap: :snap: :snap: :snap:

Charlie running down the hallway scene?

Yep, that was he. I could just hear him saying, "Now why is that skinny boy running? He's backside's flapping out of his gown!" :D :D :D

We saw him too!

Yes. In the background, in a hospital gown, leaning on a gurney.

Fine, I missed the Cricket. But it was a RAD, RAAAAD episode!

I'll have no problem watching it again tomorrow - so I'll be sure to look for G.C. now's I know exactly where he'll be. :cool:

So if I see the Brad episode will the rest of the series from season 1 episode 3 be spoiled for me?

I saw Brad!

Not likely.........although it could make you feel even more lost:D

Loved it. Desmond is an awesome character. He's like a bombshell.

And we got the first inklings of the flashes coming together.

Loved Eloise's reaction to Desmond's new found knowledge.

OK....maybe I'm not understanding something....

This whole Desmond thing would seem to point to some form of parallel universe kind of thing. Right? Maybe I'm wrong. If that's the case, I'm not sure how the Jacob vs. Smokey and keeping smokey on the island comes into play.

Am I just way off or am I missing some connection?

They have not made it clear, is the answer. Could be parallel universe. Could be that the parallel universe is a "trapped in their own mind" kinda thing (as could the island itself). They have not given enough information to know what the relationship between the island and the flash sideways world is.

€'s post made me realize that someone who only watched the first season wouldn't know who the majority of the players in the current season are.

Based on Eloise's reaction, it's looking more and more like this is some sort of virtual reality experiment. Matrix/holodeck kinda thing. In that context I suppose that the MIB/Jacob dynamic might represent the suspension of disbelief necessary to keep the illusion. That, like the Matrix, for the VR environment to remain stable and convincing, the participants need to have free will, which carries the risk of destroying the whole experiment. And what's left undetermined is, would blowing the experiment open be a good thing or a bad thing. Perhaps the VR world is an alternate to some unpleasant reality and it's all for their own good. Or perhaps it's a punishment of some sort.

Yep, I don't know how they could have telegraphed MATRIX any louder.

I used to think Charlie himself programmed the code for the looking glass("programmed by a musician" said the dying other)....

Now, me thinks it was Daniel.

It'll be interesting to see how this whole "true love" theme figures. With Daniel/Charlotte, Desmond/Penny, Charlie/Claire, Hurley/Libby, and I suppose the married couples (Sun/Jin, Rose/Bernard) it's pretty cut and dry. But Locke? The Kate/Sawyer/Jack/Juliette love parallelogram? Interesting that for Charlie, Daniel, and Desmond, there was a definitive true love tie that seemed to bridge the divide between flash-sidways and Island, but at least some of the others lack that clear-cut tie.

We didn't see Brad and we deleted the episode!!!

It was a great one, though. Going to catch him on ABC.com now.

One interesting tidbit........Desmond was wearing a wedding ring on the plane in LA X.......no wedding ring last night(not even at the airport).

Are these flash-sideways representative of a single alternate reality or multiple alternates?

or representative of continuity errors? ;)

No. Something that significant would not be a continuity error. Everything has a reason in this show.

It was pointed out on Lostpedia that the nurse that refused to give Desmond information on Charlie was the same actress that plaid a nurse at the mental hospital that Hurley was in, with the inference that it might be the same character. Interesting little connection.

Desmond saying "Who's Penny?" Priceless.

The guy who plays Daniel really pulled off the alternate character. Great actor!

You know, if I'm ever having confusing visions and odd encounters with strangers, and I begin trying to follow the clues, and someone says to me "You're not ready yet, turn back now, stop asking questions", I don't think I'd stop. Seriously, is there a good way for someone to stop someone else from continuing on the journey? Because while I was thrilled to hear Eloise confirming that this is something big, I have to say the overused dialogue is hokey and doesn't come across as threatening in the slightest.

Perhaps, but they don't usually go out of their way to point the continuity error out:

lol! :D
Represent LoT on Lost!

Now here's an interesting thing... There was a whole scene that I was in that wasn't shown. The friend who got me on the set said it could be shown on episode 13. So if all goes well and I don't end up on the cutting room floor, I could be in 2 episodes. Woohoo!

So, yeah, I got to meet the Hobbit guy, the Party of Five guy and Desmond. I got to see Desmond with his shirt off. Yay, me! Desmond said I was a "funny guy".

Being on the set was fun. They fed us. I was happy about that.

People on the crew were fascinated by the fact that I don't watch the show and only saw halfway through the first season. They kinda treated me like a visitor from outer space. lol

VVV Me in my doctor costume. The goatee was drawn on by the makeup ladies. VVV

I think that there may be 10 or more iterations of the sideways/alternate reality.

Somehow, Desmond did get married and the reality we are seeing in LA X is one in which he is married....the reality we saw last night was an earlier iteration.

The X in LA X has got to mean something....why not 10th iteration?

Or it could mean "LA 10" in the "Oceanic 6" sense. Let's see:

Jack
Kate
Jin
Sun
Sawyer
Locke
Miles
Ben
Daniel
Desmond
Charlotte
Sayid
Claire
Charlie
Hurley
....


Okay, maybe not. Unless only a subset of them count (e.g., not Daniel, Charlotte, and Miles since they only show up as bit-players in other people's side stories). But that still leaves a bunch more than X. Hmmm

Here's one of the shots. I'm to the right of the Hobbit's head.
lol

I see him! I see him!!

I can't wait to watch the episode and point you out to the boys! We are always at least a week behind, we have to wait for Gary to be home.

Brad, I think you look hot with a trim goatee, and even hotter as a doctor. I can't help it. I'm a gay jew.

The hobbit looks like he's pregnant in that shot. Calling Dr. Brad!

More importantly it seems you got a clear view of the back of the Hobbit guy's hospital gown.

YAY! Daniel! (he's one of my favorite characters)


I am afraid (and cautiously bummed) that Jack and Kate are going to end up together. It strikes me that they are heading towards the idea that it is love that anchors people; based on what we know, that leaves Jack and Kate together.

And I believe that Charlie will always be destined to die...that some things fall under "whatever happened, happened" and can't be changed.

Oh, and I do not like Zoe at all.

Well, I just watched the ep again and have to say ... I would never have seen Brad if I didn't know right where to look for him. Let's just say, I hope that episode 13 footage he's in hits the air instead of the floor.


Glad I watched that again, tho. It's a great episode, and I love the feeling that we've reached the everything-coming-together stage. The set-up stage was sometimes excruciating.

Lookie at what I just read here:


And on further reflection, I continue think Charlie will die but he too will be reunited with his great love...I think Claire is going to die.


**Hey, that's GC!!!**

Excited and interested in this theory, and I suppose I won't even be mildly disappointed if this is all a much better way of handling that kind of story than the film "eXistenZ".

Also, I should probably read "The Third Policeman" before this show ends. I've been meaning to do that but keep getting sidetracked by other books.

That movie wanted so badly to be good. It gave it a good shot, but never quite overcame its cheapness/cheesiness.

We had the benefit of seeing Steph's tweeted hint ("Nice gown"). I wouldn't have spotted him (and didn't on the first pass) if I weren't looking, and having forgotten exactly what Steph tweeted ("dress"? "gown"? "robe"?) I wasn't looking. But then Charlie said that line about his "dressing gown" and it clicked, "Ooooh, gown!" and I went back and scrutinized the background of every hospital scene. No problem finding him them. :snap:

Happy to help! :) I remembered that Brad had said he was a patient in one of his scenes, so I just kept an eye on the background actors in those hospital scenes. It also helped to have the DVR that I could go back and double check.

:rolleyes: Grody!

I'm sorry, but when a plane crashes on a mysterious island involving a smoke monster, a button that saves the world every 108 minutes, and time travel escapades, the predominant story is not about Love.

I agree. That's nearly as bad as it all being a dream.

Love is a pretty all encompassing topic, and I actually like that idea. How is love "grody?" Would it be better if it were all about death and hate?

My hope is that his statement is very general, and that he's saying the show is really about the relationships between people, and the love that exists within those relationships. Regardless of what the Island is, regardless of the story, you're supposed to care about and relate to the people. And I do think, in general, Lost has done a very good job of that. It gets muddied when they try to introduce too many characters in a season, especially towards the end, because that's time taken away form the people you're invested in. Deadwood suffered a lot in its 3rd season because it focused way too much on story lines that involved new characters no one cared about.

That the article focused so much on romantic love was concerning and is, yeah, grody. :) And apparently Jacob didn't want any gay people on his island. So, again, I call him a dick. Heh.

That's cause Jacob's deep in the everlasting closet. I should know. He's my husband in a future life that takes place in what you would call the 1700's. ;)


Actually, they haven't added a bunch of new characters this season, and that was wise. Two or three of note, and one of those is dead already.

Oddly, even though most of them have even been given their own episode, I think the effect of this season has been to push the original Losties way into the background. They don't seem to be involved with the plot, and despite cameos in other episodes - seem to have a decidedly passive role in the direction the story seems to be going --- other than to simply "be" candidates-in-waiting.


I note that the yowza episodes have been about Ben Linus, and Richard, and now Desmond. Sayid's and Jack's weren't bad ... but Sawyer's was meh, and Kate's reportedly SO bad that I haven't even bothered watching it. Jin and Sun's was kinda kool. Has Hurley had his yet?

But the "plot" of the season seems all about everyone BUT the originals. I'm kinda forgetting about them, and I wonder if that's gonna be troublesome for a big finale?


Whatever. The season is finally getting good ... and maybe, like others before it, the plodding start will come to make sense in the overall scheme.



Too bad this is the last season. I've a feeling Dr. Brad might have played a bigger role in the next.



(Oh, and EH1812, those pointless new characters in Deadwood's 3rd season were supposed to play big roles in the 4th that never happened. I think it's wise to add new characters in all but the final season. Unlike Lost, most series don't know when that's going to be.)

Yep. White boxer briefs underneath. P.S. Merry the Hobbit is really, really skinny in person. I noticed the same thing about the "Friends" cast when I saw them in person eons ago...

I have a few friends who are on a waiting list to be an extra on the last episode. Also, the lovely lady who plays Sheila Franklin in our production of "Hair" was in the latest episode, too. I'm not sure where she is, tho...

AND... the nurse chasing Merry the Hobbit also auditioned for the "Dixie Swim Club" which I was assistant to the director for. She's fabulous, but we didn't cast her.

Hands off, bitch. He's MINE!

The next episode is supposed to be Hurley-centric.

I wish I would have been cast as the guy who got microwaved at the beginning of the episode. That would have been cool.

My favorite part of the whole episode is when Widmore stops the dudes with the stretcher, just so he can peel off the sheet and show the guy's burned-to-hell face to Desmond (and us) just before they throw him in there.

There was No Other Reason for this. Hahahahahahaha! Loved it.

I wish I could have "known" him. The guy who played Simmons (Jonathan Arthur) is a cutie!

Yeah, I thought he had a face too cute to burn off, but it was still my favorite part. (of the episode, not necessarily of him)

I've been thinking about Eloise telling Desmond you're not ready yet....Desmond responded ready for what?

The "what" itself is, by itself, an interesting question...but what I'd like to know is why he's not ready yet? Just what did Eloise mean by that?

I think she may have meant he(Island Desmond that is) hasn't flashed yet from the natural pocket of electromagnetism yet.

You see, he flashed from the artificial EM created by Charles....but neither Charles nor Eloise actually expected him to flash from the test...the test was just to see if he'd survive...nothing more.

So, since he hasn't flashed from the proper place yet he isn't ready yet.

The Widmores are like the early years of the Soviet Rocket program.....launching rockets accidentally when they meant only to test them.

Desmond is now an out-of-control rocket:)

I agree. It's what I meant when I said that love anchors people. It anchors emotions, it anchors relationships and maybe it even anchors you to the world you belong in.

....and another thing.....

Minkowski being in this latest episode brought back a question that has yet to be answered........why were the crew of that freighter committing suicide? I've speculated that the ship was in a place close enough to the Island but also still too close to the real world that Time itself -seemed- to almost stand-still....and for some of the freighties, this was causing them to lose their very minds.

Something like the short story by Stephen King...The Jaunt

I'll be looking for GC next week.....

I'm warming to the theory that Desmond was in a completely different sideways alternate in that episode, indicated by his not being married. He started the flash at the airport just after the Oceanic flight. Did any other character's 'spotlight' episodes start at the airport? Because if not, I'm willing to bet Desmond started an entirely new tangent.

It's not an either or situation. I'd rather it be an adventure story. I'm totally digging all the relationship stuff so far. My point is that the show so far isn't a Romance with some Sci-Fi/Fantasy elements - quite the opposite.

Either that, or I really meant that I dislike love, and that I would enjoy it more if it was about death and hate. :rolleyes:

They all did.

After this week's episode, I'm wondering if the flash-sideways stuff is a "Last Temptation of Christ"-type story. And if it is, who's doing the tempting?

Is it too early to start planning the giant group Final Episode screening?

nope

Jay and Jack have been planning theirs for weeks already!

Aww, I'd be so up for this, but seeing as how we have to constantly pause TV while I deal with Theo, it's probably not the best idea for us. I'll want to see every frame!

He wasn't the first, but it is surprising how few actually started there:

• Jack.......In his bedroom
• Kate.......LAX
• Sayid......Nadias house
• Locke.....On his lawn
• Richard....Canary Islands
• Ben.........Classroom
• Sun/Jin....LAX
• Sawyer...Cheap Motel
  

I've been invited to a LOST Finale party but I don't think I want to go....I like having total control over the pause button whilst watching this show and don't think I could handle not having that.

Hmmm, seems you should start catching more frames from more episodes, CP. :p


Thanks, sleepy. I knew I saw one other one start there. Since I (thankfully?) missed the Kate episode, that must have been Sun&Jin's.

Not enough to say that every airport start is a separate tangent. And I don't imagine the wedding ring discrepancy with Desmond is a large enough clue for something so big as multiple sideways alternate universes. So I don't know what to make of the wedding ring thing.

Heheh, I'm sure - about 10 days after the series ends - the internet will be awash with lists of unanswered questions and unresolved clues. :cool:

The wedding ring thing could just mean that Desmond's leading some sort of double-life in the sideways flash.

Yet another thing I can blame on the baby ;)

So that brings the list to:

Missing finer details of Lost
Farts

Get as many as you can .... starting from year 7, he'll* be blaming everything on you!







*Not necessarily that Theo will, just any child selected at random.

Starting with why is everyone so keen on getting this plane back in the air?

Totally ignoring the fact that a ship far larger than the one that got Micheal and Walt off the island exists(see episode 3:9)

:confused:

Tip o' the hidden iceberg.

This may not be news to any of you guys, but I learned something today....about something called a Faraday cage.

A Faraday cage is a metallic enclosure that prevents the entry or escape of an electromagnetic field (EM field).

I just found that interesting. Sorry if that has been brought up before.

Yeah, Faraday is THE name in electro-magnetism. He has a law AND a constant (not to be confused with Desmond).

At the Boston Museum of Science they have the world's largest air-insulated Van de Graaff generator. I remember going into the Theater of Electricity and the show operator standing in the Faraday cage with the huge bolts of static electricity jumping all around.

I think MIB wants everyone on the plane so he can crash it (or have it blow up), indirectly killing all of the candidates (whom he is forbidden to kill directly).

Boom goes the dynamite.

Bye bye Blackrock! (And Iliana!!)

Desmond running down Locke?! That was brutal, brotha.

Yay Desmond - you throw me down a well I'll run your sideways ass over.

Hmm...Sideways Desmond doesn't have a son named Charlie, but I know another Desmond who does.

Or perhaps he was just thinking quickly to get Ben off his back.

So, is the thing that sideways Desmond, in between episodes, has discovered enough about the "real" world that he's trying to kill Locke to have some sort of effect on either reality? I'm confused. :confused:

Such would be the implication. Or perhaps there really IS more than one Desmond floating around sideways world. Any shots of his left ring finger this episode?

As G-d as my witness, I always thought shovels were invented before compasses.....who knew:rolleyes:

Yeah, I didn't think FLocke meant with bare hands, but that did come off oddly.




Oh, and while not technically part of the episode, the Willy Wonka song for the next-ep teaser was my favorite part of last night's show!

:snap:

OMG I loved the use of that song too!

Here's a question... Why didn't Pierre Chang look any older than he did in 1977?

Yeah, I went ahead and assumed he meant without aid of backhoes or steam shovels.

Oh duh! I was so busy being proud of myself for recognizing his voice before they showed him that I didn't even blink at his lack of aging.

Hmph, this was one of those non-Brad episodes of Lost. Ho hum. ;) :D

Maybe Chang looked young for the same reason Boone looked old.

I don't think they're going to any effort to change the look of the characters with aging or de-aging make up effects. Too bad. I'm sure they've got the budget. Kind of a dufus neglect with entire seasons about time travel and alternate realities.



How old did Brad look last week? It was so blurry, I couldn't tell. They did give him that beardlette, which I think made him look a little older.

Boone looked a couple years older than he should have. Chang looked 33 years younger than he should have. That's a pretty big difference and one that can't particularly be chalked up to lazy makeup decisions. I would be shocked if there isn't a reason for it.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think a lot of people are going to be disappointed there's no reason for ring finger continuity or age-inappropriate appearances. I point those out only because I don't have a memory suited to the intricacies of previous seasons ... but the idea that they can have an explanation for every perceived clue or portentious item seen during six years of episodes sometime during the remaining half dozen episodes seems a little far-fetched.

The ring...maybe (though I'd be surprised if that was just an oversight). Failing to age someone 33 years as an oversight, especially in light of Richardocus' story, would be shocking.

Yeah, I gotta agree. At least, I hope they weren't that lazy and, sure, I'd be very surprised if they were.

Maybe I just don't want another But What Does It MEAN???

I like those, but um, it's time to start wrapping those up, not adding more. :D

They aged Ben's father.

Lazlo.

Roger.

Will there be another one with you guest starring?!

Personally, I think the electromagnetic episode coupled with the encounter with Penny led to a melding of island and sideways Desmond minds (hence, knowing of his son, Charlie); that's why Eloise Hawking (Widmore) told him he wasn't ready to meet Penny yet, because she knew what would happen. I think that is one of the things that makes him special, he doesn't just remember island life he can interact with his "other". Reality for Desmond is fluid, just as it was in The Constant.

My 2 theories about him hitting Locke:

1. Desmond meant to kill Locke and therefore somehow negate MIB (now presumably stuck as NotLocke) at the same time. Note that he ran down sideways John Locke after it became clear that NotLocke was, well...not Locke.

2. Desmond hit sideways Locke with the intention of jolting an awareness of island Locke (or NotLocke, as the case may be) since it appears it either takes an interaction with a constant or a life/death experience to enlighten the sideways' conciousness of their island existence.

That's what I'm thinking.

Other possibilities:

3. Desmond is trying to set the sideways world "right." Locke is supposed to be dead.

4. (This was mentioned on the Jay & Jack podcast) Desmond is trying to unite Locke and Jack and have Jack fix Locke's spine.

I'm cool with however this plays out, because running down sideLocke with a car, not to mention blowing up Iliana with errant dynamite, were two of the coolest things on LOST in ages!

Poor, poor hot Iliana.

She was pretty hot.

Especially at the end.

Sneak Peak at next week:

Warning!!!!!!! Very Spoilerish!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFj8RdCsiZY

I just had a thought -

The Oceaniac 6 got back on the plane and ended up back on the island. Someone has to have noticed them missing by now. And was the Algeria Air crash reported on the news? That would be the second plane to go missing in 6 years and on that plane were the Oceaniac 6. So twice in 6 years there are 2 missing planes, and both planes were transporting [some of] the same people.

excellent question

But maybe them getting on the plane the second time and landing sets time back so maybe the second crash doesn't happen or maybe the first doesn't exist. Not explaining myself well. Maybe no one misses them because in a reset reality they're not missing. Does that make sense?

I think the only answer that can be given right now is that we have no idea. Since the "flash sideways" story began, we've been kept in the dark about what is happening in the "real" timeline, whether that timeline even exists anymore, whether it ever existed. It's a complete unknown, they've given no clues in the show that would make any one answer more likely than another.

Add to that, at the start of the season the island was underwater.

So, we have

An island that is now underwater after an H-bomb was set off (presuming it actually went off and they didn't 'jump' right before it exploded).

People who have been living on the [now] underwater island still living on the above ground island and somewhere else.

I would guess that when the Ajira 316 airplane crash-landed on the island, the sideways timeline came into existence and in that existence, Oceanic 815 landed safely and Ajira 316 doesn't yet exist. So, as far as "news" goes, neither event happened and all of the Losties are where they should be (more or less).

I think this is what katiesue is also saying.

I think the island is only underwater if/when the sideways timeline is allowed to exist. Further, they aren't living on the island and somewhere else concurrently (at least based on given information). The sideways timeline is 3 years earlier than the island timeline which may or may not have ever existed to begin with (if the sideways timeline is allowed to continue).

Did that make sense?

Point, PB.

Jack's line, "I guess we've all changed" highlighted just how long it's been, how much has happened, how strongly the characters have been developed...all in one line. Small dialogue touches like that make this show extra enjoyable.

Another example - Sawyer calling Lapidus "Chesty." :D

I heard that the first time and had to replay it twice (thank you 8-second rewind TiVo!)

I don't get it. "Chesty" is usually given to a woman of "bountiful proportions", isn't it?

Lapidus always has his shirt open.

Oh shucks, can't take the sailboat to escape because they don't have the coordinates.......

So let me see if I have this straight.......in order to escape the Island by boat or helicopter you need the proper coordinates; but submarines and jet airplanes are exempt from this restriction??????

Submarine: The coordinates would be on the sub (one assumes that Whidmore would be planning to leave at some point).

Airplane: Smoked Lox might have the knowledge necessary.

Locke probably figures he can get someone from Widmore's crew to tell him the coordinates. Or send Sayid in there to find them.

Raise your hand if you thought Sun & Jin were going to get killed by the sonic fence.

Fair enough, I suppose.....just seems a bit contrived to me.

Speaking of contrivances, "Hey everyone, I saw some canned food down in the galley, all those except those needed for the next scene please follow me" :rolleyes:

Yes - I was waiting for the big zap!

That is entirely for my benefit.

Hand raised

I wonder if James was aware of the irony of HIM calling someone "chesty".

I don't know if this is a virtual reality experiment, which has been suggested, but that might explain why the Asian dude's age is inconsistent. He may be a running part of the program, like a constant represented by a real person running the experiment, or someone completely fictional.

I really got the sense last night that the two timelines are headed for a convergence. It's like Desmond is readying the people in the alternate timeline for the final battle, as well. Had this feeling last night that a lot of the Losties on the Island were headed for their death scenes, and just when The Lockeness Monster thinks he's won, he'll be somehow faced with Losties from the alternate timeline, only they won't be so "alternate" anymore, as they will have come to remember their Island selves. Whether the alternate timeliners fly another plane, and Desmond makes it possible to both bring them into the future *and* to the existing Island, or whether The Lockeness Monster gets off the Island only to find that there are a group of people (people he thought had all been defeated) waiting for him on the "mainland", I do see the parallel universe converging somehow. It also felt like Juliette's last words, "It worked," had greater meaning.

And I may be way off base with all of this, but I do love the idea of the real John Locke in a mother ****ing showdown with The Lockeness Monster. There even seemed a hint of that in the way Smokey was talking about the real Locke. I had this, "Just you wait, tough speaker!" feeling. Then again, maybe real Locke was just a sucker. Heh.

And THEN they all realize they are in some sort of virtual reality experiment or game? Heh.

I think that was an intended part of the funny.

Totally. Everyone's rallying at the hospital. Desmond is pretty much a less-subtle version of Jacob (lack of subtlety necessitated by his later start), "nudging" them all towards decisions and paths that bring them together. Can't wait to see what happens when they all get there.

Anyone else catch the echo of episode 1. Whidmore blows up the beach, next thing you know, we're watching Jack wake up with muffled hearing, and Locke running around the beach being a helping hand. Felt real familiar. Smokey may turn out to be more like the real Locke than he realizes.

Have to admit I was almost disappointed when they didn't, even though I have been dying to see them reunited. It would have been so awesomely tragic!

EH - love all that you said above, seemed that way to me as well. Really hoping for the redemption of true John Locke.

Did anyone figure out why the ep was called "Last Recruit"? I feel dumb...

High in the air:D

I believe Jack was Locke's "last recruit".........at least that's my take on it.

I thought they were surely getting zapped. Hand raised.

I'm still going with the parallel dimension thing.

Is there also general agreement that Lockeness wasn't telling Jack the truth about Jack's dad, Christian? Because Lockeness cannot cross the water (he's trapped on the island and they've listed off his restrictions, etc.), but Christian appeared to Michael on the boat, and he appeared to Jack at the hospital, after Jack was rescued. So...methinks Lockeness is a liar.

The building that they used for the pregnant lady/Desmond escalator scene is about five steps away from my office. The building is on Fort Street Mall.
:)

At this late date one would think that big reveals like this should be the truth...but something doesn't add up....either Lockeness can move accross water and lied about that, he's lying and has never impersonated Christian, or he was telling the truth and has sometimes impersonated Christian.

Another funny thing though.....in both Locke and Christians case, MiB needed their bodies to impersonate them.....when he impersonated Eko's brother, there was a body also.....but how did he impersonate Richards wife on board the Black Rock?????

Kate's horse?


Something tells me MiB isn't the only one doing this.....

Well, there are ghosts, too. Hurley saw Richard's wife, so maybe that really was Richard's wife. Heh. Who the eff knows.

Perhaps he doesn't need the body to simply impersonate someone, but needs the body to leave the island. Ilana implicated that by becoming Locke, MIB "trapped" himself, indicating that perhaps this incarnation is different than previous shapeshifting he's done.

I think it is pretty well established that it was indeed Richards wife that Hurley was talking too.....but when Richard was in chains.......who the eff knows;)

Yes, I think it must be something along those lines......who the eff really knows though:D

Sorry, I meant that because Hurley saw the real wife, maybe Richard saw his real wife, too.

Could be, it's just that why would a ghost pretend to be attacked?



My next puzzlement:

What was Widmore trying to accomplish with the bombardment of Team Flocke?

1) I don't think bombs really hurt this thing....

2) If Widmore is just trying to kill Flockes followers; why use non-lethal tranquilizers when taking Jin?

3) Could he have been trying to kill Jack?

I thought what's her name (I'm horrible with names) Widmore chick said something like "if you've got a line on Locke use it". Then they bombed em.

Yes, yes, well - you've had your 15 minutes of LOST Thread fame. Thanks for contributing your little "tid-bit." ahem.



so stick around and read if you care to ... and chime in again when your other blurry appearances airs, k? ((kisses))

That's right, she did......now that I think about it, didn't Jack have some limited success against the smoke monster with dynomite back in season one?

Maybe Widmore does know what he's doing afterall......:confused:

I think she said "If you have a lock on my position..."

That's what she said when she showed up in Locke's camp and they bombed near it to scare him. But at the end of the episode when they fired again nearly hitting Locke and Jack she said "If you've got line of sight on Locke".

Ah. I missed her saying that.

What I'd like to know now is why did they need the losties on their knees in order to launch the bombardment......?

Standard hostage protocol. It wasn't "get them on their knees so we can launch," it was, "We're going to launch, make sure those guys we aren't going to have problems with those guys once we do."

Yeah, that does make sense....I could just see one or many of them trying to stop the bombing bc of Jack.

Read this on anther board, and it made me laugh.

So true!!

Makes sense though....the Island itself is shrinking(in that way back in seasons 1 and 2 it would take several days to traverse the Island....now people are crisscrossing it back in forth in a single afternoon:rolleyes:

Time travel increases the rate of erosion on the beaches, therefore shrinking the size of the island. I thought that was obvious enough, silly.

^Of course! I should have known that:)

I also liked the comment that, with all the money this show makes, they could have afforded more than $10 to build the well set.

So true.......

Leads me to believe the real reason Locke is the smoke monster is to simply save money on special effects:(

:confused: Don't get it. What would a really elaborate inside-of-a-well set look like?

I was referring to the outside part. It looked like it was carved from Styrofoam - badly.

I wonder if we will ever get to see the other side of the outrigger chase from last season(5:4)

I'm just annoyed that the boat time traveled with them.

Which boat? The sailboat that they just took to Whidmore? No time travel necessary, they're back on the original timeline.

No, the outrigger from last season when they were unstuck in time.

Yes, I found that a bit annoying too.....makes me wonder if Locke would have held Richards hand back at Jughead what would have happened.

I forgot to watch for GC last week. Did he get aired or cut? Last time he was almost over shadowed by a Hobbit, so who knows what can happen on TV? ;)

Sorry, should have quoted.

Yes, that.

Holding hands and paddles, sure. But sitting on something? Maybe they were shown grabbing the boat?

They do have to allow for inanimate objects, otherwise you end up with Time Traveler's Wife nakedness on arrival.

I see nothing wrong with "sitting on" as a come-along-with-me through time option. Clothes are doing nothing but touching you in various places, and are as inanimate as a piece of wood or fiberglass.

We may bemoan the lack of scientifically and visually more satisfying TTW nakedness, but once clothes are along for the ride - well, in for a penny, in for a pound. Outriggers, passenger jets, it's all good.

Spoilered for anybody not caught up to date with Lost...



:)

Bwahahahaha! :D

:snap:

Visible CoasterMatt mojo. Funniest thing I've seen in ages!

Is tonight really NOT a new episode? Showed up on my listing as not being new tonight.

?!?!?!!!!
:confused:

Bah! It seems that it is not, they're showing the "enhanced" version of Richardocus' episode. Don't want to compete with NBA perhaps?

LAAAAAME. Movie night? Perhaps we should all post here what we end up watching instead. :)

crap haven't sent back netflix yet

**** yeah.

I hate LoT censorship. Heh.

Well, I will just continue to work on my photo project, but that's what made me miss last weeks - I was so involved with it - and so I was determined to remember tonight.


Fine.

I'm putting together a couple more music compilations tonight, and maybe I'll work on some photos.

I may have figured this out. I remember Juliet speaking Latin. She said The Others used it as a secret language or something like that. Perhaps they got to know him as "Ricardus" whilst speaking Latin and it just stuck?

Olivia was happy- she got to see Glee tonight instead of Thursday.

We watched a recorded episode Into the Universe with Steven Hawking instead.

Stopped on the way home from my meeting to pick up last night's chef's salad in preparation for Lost, got home, split salad in half, enhanced with Garlic Cheddar ThinKrisps™, made iced tea, settled into the couch to watch the last 15 minutes of the ******** episode of South Park, and then Lost - wha? WTF? Did one of my roommates erase it? Did the DVR record something else instead? WTFWTFWTF!!!

Oh.

Internet on my phone tells me other people got a repeat of the Richard episode. They were confused as well.

I hate when the flash-sidewayses happen in real life.

The salad was good. From Twain's, on Ventura at Coldwater. Only because it's the closest coffee shop open late. I was expecting terrible, but edible. I got very good. Except the tomato. Tomato was onion flavored, probably because it was ready to go on a burger and the cook grabbed it instead of slicing a new tomato. I will happily order this chef's salad again. So far, ranking best to least best - Junior's Deli ****, Twain's ***3/4, Norm's***1/2, Astro***, Bob's**. Today, I plan on having the one at the Carnation restaurant on Main Street. I hope it's a solid 5 asterisks.

I wish I had some Dharma Brand ranch dressing.

So my friend is hosting a LOST Supper dinner party and final episode viewing, featuring all sorts of LOST-themed foods and .... it's a costume party!!

Yay. Um, but I have no idea which Lostie or vague supporting character I should be, and who I might be even remotely convincing as.


Suggestions????

You're kidding, right?? Charlie, baby, you gotta go as Charlie. Start working on your accent.

Them's some odd swear words, but hey, express yourself however you see fit.

Smoke monster

You know everyone is going to do this.

A random Other that was never seen again. Or Ben's father.

You kind of have a Faraday-ish look about you. I say Daniel Faraday.

Log carrying guy. Try not to get shot though.

Did anyone watch the repeat show?

I did, and guess what......they cut at least two scenes.....for extra commercials I guess:mad:

The scene in which Hurley was talking to Richards wife and Jack interupted thinking Hurley was speaking to Jacob.........cut.....entirely!

The scene that took place in the Doctors home.....in the orginal there was a brief discussion about how far away Richard lived and how the weather was not good for travel.......in Tuesday nights they went straight from blankets being requested for the floor to the medicine.

You would think a class operation like Lost would want to give you extra scenes in a repeat.....nope, extra commercials instead...(end rant)

It probably wasn't up to the producers. More than likely it was either the network or local affiliate that did it.

Wow, that sucks about the repeat. Glad I gave it a pass.

* * * * * * *

Thanks for the costume suggestions so far. Very helpful.


Of course, with my slender build, Charlie and Faraday are the obvious choices. I don't have Charlie's nose tho. Not by a long shot. So I may do Faraday, but I just cut my hair short - ugh. Just in case I go for either of those, I've already started letting my beard grow - since it will take an entire month of I-Can't-Stand-It to even get remotely scruffy enough. Bah.


Love the polar bear idea. Along those lines, I was wondering if there's a chicken-mascot costume for the chicken place Hurley worked at. Or, heheh, I could get a Hurley wig and go COMPLETELY against body type AS Hurley. Hahahaha.


Unless I come up with something funnier, I'm gonna shoot for Faraday with Charlie as a back-up. Problem with most of the Lost cast is, for the most part, they don't wear anything iconic that identifies them through clothing.

A Dharma jumpsuit might be nice. But otherwise, not much info transmitted through costume.

That's probably true.......our oldest local station still shows repeats of Perry Mason every weekday but cuts a good 7 minutes from each episode. I never realized it until one day the killer confessing in the courtroom was the first time she was even on screen:eek:

Go for the simple.....just wear a red shirt:D

lol.

I got a tie between Boone and Michael.

I took the quiz... I'm... Boone. Really?

I got a Jack...as he forloningly looks into the sack he's carrying.

I was Boone too, followed by Locke......I was least like Kate:)

Apparently, I'm Jack.

I swear I answered all questions honesty.



I was LEAST like Charlie (at 31%). Faraday wasn't on the list.

I was 81% Jack, 75% Hurley, 67% Sawyer.

Fun quiz.

I took it again but this time went all 'yes' or all 'no'....no wishy-washy answers....

I am now Ana Lucia, but I am still least like Kate:)

WB, your daughter is seriously messed up if she is 81% Ben. I'd run and hide if I were you.

I think by definition all teenagers are at least 73% Ben.

Shannon?? :eek:

Actually, 3 way tie between Shannon, Michael, and Locke. Whatever that means...

BEN!

I got Michael.

Prepare to get gut shot, bitches!

As long as you eventually feel really bad about it.

I got: Boone 75% Jin 69% Jack 63% - So I am the nice guy who tries hard but basically is an clueless - least like Kate -sigh
I am doomed

fun quiz yes

Heh, bespectacled, bookish teacher Ben would be a fun one. Bloodied tortured not-yet-Ben might get mistaken for any other character.

I still think Charlie is the best because of the costume. Rings, letters written on knuckles, short blond hair, rocker shirt, slashed jeans, maybe a small guitar prop. If you get crafty you could make one of those clay madonnas with little bags inside...

Jin 81%
Boone 81%
Hurley 75%
Kate 75%
Shannon 75%
Ben 69%
Michael 69%
Jack 69%
Sayid 63%
Mr. Eko 44%
Claire 44%
Desmond 44%
Ana Lucia 38%
Charlie 38%
Locke 31%
Sawyer 31%
Sun 25%

Charlie dressed like a D-bag rocker because he was a D-bag rocker. Boring costume! Unless you apply some sort of wet looking substance, made yourself look a bit blue-ish, and had "NOT PENNY'S BOAT" written on your hand... That would be cool.

I know, go as Charlie's heroine Mary statue!

I have such a good suggestion for iSm, but will have to self-censor.

(No wonder I hardly post anymore)

You can PM me. ;)


OMG, drowning charlie is an hysterical idea!

Bookish Ben? Dunno. But i LOVE Ben.

I know! You could be the male prostitute that the big guy with the mustache was with when off the island that one time. Don't remember the episode title or who he met in the hotel (I remember there was a knock on the door and it was someone of significance, so the male prositute excused himself).

Mr. Friendly aka Tom

I don't remember his "companion" being a prostitute though. I got the impression they were lovers. Didn't they kiss? Whores charge a whole lot more for kissing.

Yeah, they were friendly, definitely lovers.

I had just made the assumption that since Tom (thanks - spaced his name) was rarely off the island that it wasn't a relationship, more of a....uh....special treat one timer kind of thing.

Hmmmm, I charge a lot more for kissing, too. We may have something here. :p

Hmm...I was asked to answer a tie breaker question of "Grew up wealthy" or "Leader" but still had an odd tie for first:

Jack 81%
Sun 81%
Hurley 75%
Locke 69%
Ben 69%
Sayid 69%
Michael 69%
Shannon 63%
Boone 63%
Kate 63%
Mr. Eko 56%
Sawyer 56%
Jin 44%
Ana Lucia 38%
Charlie 38%
Desmond 19%

Lost co-creator Damon Lindelof: Ending will prompt more questions

Way to go, Damon. Here's the deal: I have $194.99 that I'll spend on the complete series on blu-ray if I'm satisfied with the ending. If I'm not... the money will be most likely spent on frivolous nonsense that Mr. Lindelof has no stake in.

I'll be watching...

He will be a very hated man if he blows this.

I'm Hurley, but only with a tiebreaker; I'm 75% Hurley and 75% Jack.

HAPPY LOST DAY!!!!

We're getting really close to the end:)

Crikey, I almost forgot. See what one week off will do to an addled mind like mine?




(I'm used to watching the show on DVD, and truthfully I like it a whole lot better that way. But there's no way I couldn't experience the final season "live." Thanks for the reminder. If I also win the lottery, this will be a splendid evening.)

Good luck on the lottery! What's it up to down there?

266 Million

That was brutal.

Cheap shot. And i think i'm kinda mad.

Between this and the report that the finale will bust open even more questions, I'm getting pretty annoyed with this show. In one hour, I've gone from being really sad it's about to end to really wanting it to just be over.


Good episode. That I really.didn't.like.

It's not that I don't disagree with you, ism. Cheap shot came to mind for sure. But I wasn't that surprised I guess. I think I may need to wait until the end of the season to really know how I feel about this episode.

WTF Lost!



I have to say ToQ is deliciously creepy yet I want to smack that smirk off of him. This is HIS FAULT! Selfish bastard!

I am so, so glad Sayid was redeemed. (Losing his redemption early in the season was so very heartbreaking IMO since he seemed, to me, the one who had redeemed himself the most.)

Frankly, by this point, Jin was kind of annoying me. Still sad about her dying and glad she's still sideways alive.

I just about lost it when Hurley, then Jack, started bawling.

Kate, you can't have Jack back. He is better than you. Deal.

Frank L. may be dead, but it seems like we have another pilot in the house...wonder how that's going to play out.

That could buy a lot of Churros:D

I can't say I'm pisssed....this whole show is a tragedy. I expect tragic things to happen. That was just a whole lot of tragedy for one episode.

If I recall, when Sayid was teling Jack about the location of Desmond, he said something to the effect of "because it's going to be you". A hint that Jack is the new Jacob? I had previously been leaning toward Hurley.

Well, they've certainly been throwing around jack as new jacob pretty heavily lately, what with him being the only one committed to staying on the island for his mystical purpose. Not a done deal by any means in the Lostiverse, but that's the storytelling i'm getting.

And I don't mind tragedy. I just dislike storytelling cheap shots.

Also, it's seeming like the storyline is veering away from the elements of the season I was beginning to find interesting. For the last two episodes, I'm getting the distinct impression that all the stuff I'd like to be seeing is happening off screen.

With 3 more eps to go, I'm doubting that trend can be redeemed, though I do expect them to be action-packed and such. Last night's was pretty action-packed, but it was unsatisfying to me. And not just because of the cheap shot deaths. (The non-cheap-shot deaths didn't bother me at all, btw - I fully expect characters to die left and right starting about now.)

I like the mind-fvcks and brain-twisters and ah-ha stuff. Action is fine, but strictly second tier.



Now that I think of it, I've yet to see a series that ended on a date certain pull off a satisfying finale. I've never seen any evidence that LOST would be the first.

I believe he meant "it's going to be you doing this because I'm about to blow up."

I felt oddly unmoved by the tragic events...maybe, deep down, I just don't believe in that plane of existence?

All I know is that if they don't give me a satisfactory resolution for what's happened to Vincent I'm going to be pissed.

...Or Rose and Bernard.

I can't keep track of anyone right now....I'm still trying to remember where Richard is at present.

On his way to Dharmaville with Ben and Miles.

Yep, this is the first season I'm watching week-to-week, and I can't keep track of anyone. Thanks for the recap on Richard and Ben and Miles. I was clueless. Who else has been off the show for five minutes?


Also, does it seem to anyone else that sideways Jack is a bit of a dunderhead? I know Desmond is Desmond, but shouldn't it be beyond dawning on Jack that somethings up, what with EVERYONE he meets having been on Oceanic 815? I would hope a surgeon would be a little quicker on the uptake.

I htink it is apparent based on his reactions that he knows something is going on - at least it has been evident to me.

Thanks JW. Now who is Miles again? :)

That's me too.......the death's last night just made me shrug my shoulders....maybe it's because there have been so many deaths on this show or maybe it's because one too many people have come back(either as ghosts, zombies or smoke monsters) that I am just not able to accept that they really are dead.

Or it could be because I know the name of the second to last episode:

well, with the whole parallel reality thing going on I doubt anyone is dead in all of them....especially since Jinn walked by Jack in the hospital in one reality after dying in another.

"after" being entirely relative. But aren't most people (or is it just me) assuming sideways world is somehow less "real" than Lost world? I mean, isn't one of them going to wink out of existence? And haven't they pretty much established that the sideways world is a complete illusion? Charlie, Faraday and Desmond have already seen through it, and whats-her-face who warned Desmond to back off is clearly aware of its "unreality."


No?

Tis true....not to mention that the first scene this season was the Lost Island completely submerged on the ocean floor.

If they don't answer that I am going to be pissed.

I'm sad there will be no more pretty Sayid in black sleeveless awesome to look at.

Maybe they'll show bits and pieces of his awesomeness in a tattered black sleeveless ripped to revealing shreds on the bottom of the ocean next to a sunken submarine.

"Pierre Chang"'s son - the one who hears dead people.

With that much C4, I'm afraid that much more than his shirt is in shreds. As Jack said, "There is no more Sayed."

I have no idea what you guys are talking about but it's a fun read.
:)

I think that something significant may happen when the surviving alternate Losties collectively realize what is going on, and my best guess is they will somehow become involved in the final battle, if that's where things are headed. Alternate timeline seems almost like a "Last Temptation of Chrsit" story arc.

http://popwatch.ew.com/2010/05/04/lo...ors-candidate/

Producer blather and therefore spoilery.

Did this episode include a scene where Charlie was running down a hospital hallway screaming a certain phrase over and over? That's the scene I was in that they shot and did not use.

I think Charlie's gone till the second-to-last episode, where he will undoubtedly die again - because untimely death is his fate.

And I'd love it if the alternate Losties would somehow get to the Island with the real Losties and all completely disintegrate when their anti-matter meets matter, just after several freak-out shots of them looking in the ungodly mirror world.

And then Google will eat the entire world.*




*Not my expression, stole it from someone.

Perhaps, what was the phrase?






:D

If you DO post the phrase use spoilers, since that scene was not in the most recent episode.

Today's ponderable:

The four survivors of the Submarine bombing are the exact same four on the list given to Micheal way back in season 2.

Do you come up with this stuff, Sleepy, or do you read it somewhere?

About half and half....this one just occurred to me. I do participate in the Lost discussion thread over on MiceChat and from there have clicked on links to other lost cites.

I would totally never spoil something on purpose for y'all.
:)

That's why I was trying to get you to accidently spoil us;)

Happy LOST Day!

Tonight we get Jacob's and the MIB's backstory!

Sweet!

Is it too much to hope that their conflict involves a lovers' spat, with some Jacob nude scenes?

Jacob nude scenes would certainly make my day! :D

Where we will probably find out that there is something even bigger than they:rolleyes:

First we were wondering who Mr. Friendly was....but it turns out he was just a lackey....then we wondered who Mrs' Klugh was and then who Ben was.....but it turns out they had to answer to someone else too....then Richard and Jacob and now we have man in black....

I get the feeling I've already seen the end of lost in a Anamaniacs Christmas special:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmlrI74fwa0

:)
 

For the LOsT peeps.

Who let them out of Hawaii?



(And if they can get here, why can't you!?)

Answers, yet strangely unsatisfying.

Not enough answers... <sigh>

W.E.A.K.

Judging FB and Twitter reaction I'll be alone, or close to.

Loved.

We found out:




The kids playing Jacob and Easu were awesome.

The more I think about it, I think the island, being a cork is really the lid to Pandora's Box. So, if the season started with the island under water then does that mean all hell has broken loose?

Aside from one of those items, not a single thing on your list, BTD, was discovered during that episode. They were depicted, not discovered. We found out nothing ABOUT anything, except that it came to be. Well, d'uh.

And, as per usual this season, the stuff I WANT to know about Jacob and his other half are happening off-screen, right about ... now ... if the episode were to have kept going at that pace of biography. FEH! I'm sick of a season where it's constantly hinted that the BEST stuff is not being shown!!!


That episode was a completely wasted opportunity. And as someone has already pointed out to me, there's not enough time left to fix it.


I have a sinking feeling that I was right during Season 1 - - there's really no there there. It's just a bunch of cool stuff, vaguely defined, and will end with a putter instead of a bang.

Sure there were.........

We found out where the smoke monster comes from>>>>>a cave of light:D

We found out who the ghost boys Unlocke has been encountering are>>>>>>Jacob and his unamed brother:D

We found out where the cave bodies and black and white rocks came from>>>>>an unamed boy and his mother:D

We found out why Jacob is on the Island>>>>>>to protect the magic cave of light:D

You know, if I asked my son a question and he gave me answers like this he would be grounded for a month:mad:

Two more weeks of being jerked around to go;)

We found out why the stuff is the way it is. I'm a sucker for how stuff works and the revelations we are getting are making me happy.

We found out . How many times was that questions asked? Answered! FINALLY!

We found out where . How many people went WTF was that and where did it come from? Answered! Finally!

We found out where . Now how, but where. How should be answered when they expand on

And yes, I am using spoilers until tomorrow for the random people who drop in without thinking.

I think GD said that no one is going to be 100% happy with the answers we are going to get and there is no way in hell they are going to appease everyone. I may hate how it ends, but right now I'm happy with what I am getting. This has been a long, crazy, sometimes depressing but mostly fun ride and unlike the roller coaster at State Line, I'm going to enjoy this until the end.

I...........agree with iSm.

Total non-op of an episode. Y'all know I'm not one to beg for answers. All I ask is that the episode gives me a new, interesting way to think about what I've seen before. This did not. At the end of the episode everything was in exactly the same form of vaguery as when it started. I mean, "Ooooh, the donkey wheel, umm, turns, and ummmmmm, stuff happens, and then, errrr, someone can leave the island." Wow, I didn't know THAT before!

I may not be demanding answers, but I definitely do not want nothing disguised as answers.

Ummm, could you tell me the answer then? (I know I mentioned this in my post before, but I wrote that before you posted). Because as far as I can tell, before the episode we knew, "The donkey wheel turns, does something that involves a bright light, and someone gets off the island." After the episode we know, "The donkey wheel turns, does something that involves a bright light, and someone gets off the island."

The answer for where the smoke monster came from? Island magic! Why are some people immortal? Island magic! Why is it impossible for smokey to kill Jacob? Because mom said so! Nothing (other than Adam and Eve) was an answer, we're still left with the exact same questions.

It was built not by Ben/Dharma/Others but by 'brother'. Instead of asking why Dharma was building it, we found out that the OP (original people) built it.

We don't know that the light is island magic, nor do we know that is why they are immortal. Not!CJ was immortal, passed the torch to Jacob who is immortal. I'm starting to think Desmond had the torch passed to him too.

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When the button was no longer pushed and the sky turned purple we learned it was due to the EM activity. The EM activity is related to the light, somehow.
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When we saw Dharmaville the day 815 crashed there were snippets online of Smoky being up by the plane. Was he bringing it down or trying to tag along for the ride? (ya, I know. A question I just thought of).
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I'm choosing to be optimistic about the rest of this show. Do I think was the best episode ever? No. But I loved it and felt that I gained knowledge to the island, Jacob and brother.

I refuse to think I wasted 6 years of my life for no answers. They have to wrap it up and explain where they are, what the island is. I just hope they wrap it up without leaving it open for a movie.

They "answered" those questions in only the absolute most superficial way possible. Instead of "Jacob's protecting the island and the mysterious magnetic energy it emanates," it's now, "Jacob's protecting the island and the mysterious light energy it emanates." Instead of "Jacob somehow became the protector of the island and will do anything to protect it," it's "Jacob's 'mom' somehow became the protector of the island and will do anything to protect it." The episode did nothing to either answer the underlying questions behind any of it, nor even ask any new interesting questions. It just slightly altered the nitpicky details of the questions, leaving the same overall view of what's going on.

I didn't say I'm giving up on the show or that this episode makes me any more or less worried about the ending. But this episode did nothing to move the story in anything more than trivial ways.

From a screenwriter's point of view, it seems to me the entire purpose of Jacob and MIB's foster mother, as a character in THIS story at THIS point in the telling, is to have someone who can reasonably spew all sorts of exposition under the guise of explaining the magic of the island to the two boys who will have to take over the job of protector.

It doesn't matter if that exposition is gobbledegook. It should be explanation at this point, and that was the perfect character for the job. For example, "I've arranged it so you two can never hurt each other" is completely unsatisfying - while "by killing your birth mother and dabbing you both with her uteral blood under a full moon at the mouth of the light cave, you are now recognized as two sides of a single life form by the mojo god of the island and will forever be prevented from ever hurting each other" is the type of thing that's required after five years of getting to this point.


A foster mother character could have spent 45 minutes of that hour-long episode educating her sons and THE AUDIENCE in all the arcane mysteries of the island they would have to know, and we've BEEN DYING TO KNOW.






edited to add:


FVUK LOST

Adding my voice to those who feel disappointed and cheated. It felt like a wasted episode. Even the answer to the origin of the Adam & Eve corpses was disappointing because it was done in such a condescending way. Just how stupid do they think the viewers are that it had to be explained in such a Romper Room way? (Is Romper Room too old? Should I say Dora the Explorer instead?)

But I'm still holding on to the hope that the last 2 episodes won't be as lame.

I wish I could say the same. With two episodes to go, I feel last night's fiasco leaves the series ending almost impossible to be satisfactory. To me, at least.

How can you have the pen-penultimate episode, finally about the major Behind-It-All characters, move the story in nothing but trivial ways and STILL have the penultimate and ultimate episodes wrap things up well?


IMPOSSIBLE, says me.




Ya know, I'm used to series finales ending poorly. It's a really tough job, and I don't get too broken up about it being handled half-assedly. But this entire season was set up as a sort of finale, and I've found it by and large disappointing.

:(

I'm holding out hope that an episode like this is just the result of the writers not being able to figure out how to partially reveal their full intentions in interesting ways that do not spoil the interesting ending, rather than evidence that they don't have an interesting ending. Perhaps it's too optimistic, and perhaps the fact is that they don't seem to be demonstrating the writing skills to keep things both shrouded in mystery AND interestingly thought provoking. But the show still holds plenty of potential to end up somewhere interesting. The good thing I can say about this episode is that while it didn't reveal anything remotely thought provoking, at least it didn't trash the potential for surprising and interesting answers.

ETA: Well, I might sort of disagree with myself on that last point. It did kinda collapse the uncertainty cloud on some of the more interesting possibilities. "Maybe MIB isn't the smoke monster at all, maybe there's an even more interesting explanation." Nope. "Maybe MIB isn't really trying to leave the island, that's just part of his game." Nope. "Maybe smokey is really the island's protector and Jacob is full of sh*t!" Nope. It seems like all the episode did was confirm the most mundane of possible scenarios.

If the "mundane" is true, that's ok by me. I don't like "cheat" storytelling. That's not to say I don't appreciate a red herring or five, but I frown on a story being told to blatantly suggest one thing only to have some twist for twist's sake reveal the opposite to be true after months or years of story direction.

The stuff that's really bugged me this season have been screenwriter/storytelling issues ... so I have zero faith in them wrapping it up well. If the reason for last night sucking is that they didn't want to give too much away for the last episode in the next-to-next-to-last episode, I say the writers are talentless hacks.


This is supposed to build a climax, not putter and stall towards a climax.

I'm not suggesting that all I want is total curveballs out of left field that completely change EVERYTHING. But neither do I want everything to turn out to be exactly what it seems at face value. Otherwise I could have turned the show off a couple seasons ago. And the things I mentioned were things that they've clearly left open-ended and ambiguous, in a "well, given the limited information we have, option A is what someone would LIKE us to believe is the case, but there's definitely the possibility that something else is going on here" sort of way, every one of those they've addressed have either turned out to actually be option A, or the most obvious of option B's.

But I still remain hopeful that it's just because there's some linchpin piece of information that can't be revealed early, and all of the other points of interest in the story will start to fall into place once it is.

I'm mostly frustrated that the showrunners, much like most showrunners, continue to misunderstand why people watch TV. Sure, we want answers. But as of this point, we only have 3.5 hours left with the characters. The original characters. And the interesting additions over the last few years. The last thing I want with only 2 episodes left is the addition of new characters. Honestly, I don't give a flying pig about the brothers. I want to know what happens to Jack, Hurley, Sawyer, Desmond... and I want very much to know what happens to ALL of the main characters in the alternate universe. How could they have wasted that episode on people I don't care about, whether or not they hold the key to the island's shaft-o-light?*

(*EH, that was for you.)

I enjoyed the episode for one reason. It debunked Jacob as possible Creator or Trapper of Magic or Godhead Dictator. It answered our question - "Who is Jacob?" with another question - "Who is his foster mom?". Seems to me they did this with purpose. The message I received was "No one actually runs the show, everyone is a pawn of their past, there is no beginning to anything and no blame to place." The more the mom talked about their destiny and the more we saw of the forces that moved the black and white pawns around, the more I felt it was all chance and happenstance, not fate. I find it an interesting concept for this show to stand on, an atheist concept of a magical universe. It actively makes me think differently about the entire show.

The whole series we were thinking, "What is so special about the castaways?" I now think that the answer is, "Nothing". They are just people who happened to get caught up in fate. One could argue that the island is a force with a mind of its own, but somehow in the presentation of the underground light, I began thinking of it as a natural phenomenon. Maybe it's the recent oil spill that's got me on this road, but doesn't the analogy of a very powerful resource found in the earth seem familiar? One that is invaluable and that people should probably be protected from, lest they be corrupted? It doesn't have to be self-aware to be what it is.

I know I'm in a tiny minority. GD and I hashed it out last night and there was no reconciling our views. Hell, I don't even agree with BTD on what was revealed. Perhaps I'm just dumb because I hadn't thought of it that way before, but to me, knocking Jacob off his ladder (along with Smokey and everyone else we've been worshiping all these years as the Savior) wasn't a bad way to spend an episode.

I am more enlightened yet more confused than ever. Having said that, I found the mundane explanation of MIB's desire to leave the island (because he has always yearned to leave) to be very satisfying...and very human. Clearly the island holds his soul, and clearly he hates Jacob for having placed him in perpetual limbo. There is a thin line between love and hate and a thin line between salvation and eternal damnation.

ok, so now the final episode has been leaked and is all over the internet.

I had to watch it because I'm tired of waiting for nothing. Actually, it was better than I thought it would be. Mostly because it's tight storytelling for change. The whole episode is under 3 minutes long. Go ahead and watch. It won't spoil anything. There's nothing to spoil.

I fixed it for you.

OMG, Really....

Sorry, I thought my powers of anal-retention were widely known.

I can use <AR> tags next time if that would help.

I think what bugs me most is that the season was finally beginning to pick up steam for me ... when there was a week's hiatus, followed by an action-packed episode full of main-character deaths that left me completely cold, then followed by an episode that has turned me off the season completely.


At this point, I have no enthusiasm to do costume and make-up for that Lost Supper I was invited to. I think I'm going to watch the finale at home alone. The show was just starting to gain some goodwill from me, and then went and completely lost it. (no pun)



I'll watch the last two episodes. But I'm basically done. It's Twin Peaks II, just like I've said since the beginning.

For the record, I didn't hate this weeks' episode. In fact, I kinda liked it. Sure, I would have liked to see the 4 Losties plus MIL continue the action. Sure, I would have liked some more answers, rather than more questions. But I think it was a neat little fairytale insert that probably left a couple of cool clues that we'll need when the "truth" is revealed in the finale. And when I do get around to watching the whole thing on Blu-Ray, I'll enjoy the episode even more. Kind of like the "James the mechanic" episode of Twin Peaks. And I love Twin Peaks.

While that was a rare satisfactory answer it does beg another question....why won't Jacob just let him leave? Is MiB performing some vital function on the Island or is Jacob afraid of what MiB will do off the Island?

And it's not as simple as not wanting the smoke monster to leave the Island......MiB's mother did not want him to leave before he ever turned into smokie. She, in fact, killed a whole bunch of people to insure against it even.

Maybe she just wanted someone to watch the ol Savings and Loan so Potter wouldn't take over the town;)

I kind of liked the idea that all of this is just because their "mom" is insane...too bad the magic of the underground light was proven to us.

Come to think of it, didn't George Bailey say his favorite 3 sounds were anchor chains, plane motors, and train whistles? Smokey makes those sounds:eek:

There are 2 different motivations at work. I think MIB's mother didn't want him to leave because A. she wasn't sure, until MIB killed her, which of the 2 brothers would be the new guardian of the island and B. she wanted her "sons" to remain "uncorrupted" by outside influences.

Jacob, on the other hand won't allow MIB to leave because he now holds too much of the light and, if the light is allowed to leave, "it will go out in all of us."

Makes sense.

Todays Ponderable:

So, Sayid is telling Jack that Desmond is in a hole somewhere and that it is vitally important that Jack go to him; we also have Desmond running all over sidewaysland, Bonnevilling his way over the handicapped, stalking women who are 8.5 months preggers, and hooking up millionaires with the insane.......seems like he's a man with a mission.

But how does that jive with what he was told back in season 3?

MS. HAWKING: "You may not like your path, Desmond, but pushing that button is the only truly great thing that you will ever do".

Everything can be so easily "explained" by it being a lie.


Of course, when she said that - the sideways world may not have yet existed. But of course, "great thing" is in the eye of the beholder, and I think Desmond's done plenty of great things in both universes.

Maybe it will end like Twin Peaks:



FLOCKE: "If you know what's good for you, don't move. The fool broke the rules; it's really no good if you don't volunteer. Doesn't count if you're coerced. He'll have to be punished....of course, that doesn't mean we have to let you go."


FLocke grins and is about to use the syringe on Jack when a hand reaches in to stop him.....it's Juliet! Suddenly we hear the sound of two tremendous energies colliding and a white light fills the room. Jack looks to kate and see's her calling out to him silently.

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Fighting off fatigue, Sawyer moves around stretching. Looking back to a grove of trees near the Black Rock he sees someone lying on the ground. He run's to them, it's Jack and Kate lying unconscious.

SAWYER: "Jack, Jack,! What happened?"

(talking into a police radio) "Miles, get that ambulance up here right now!"

Kate is covered in blood.

"Jack, Jack, are you ok doc"
(sound of sirens in the distance....they sound sort of familiar)

Jack slowly opens his eyes.

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Wearing pajamas Jack is lying in bed. Sawyer and Christian attend to him.

CHRISTIAN: "Here he is"
SAWYER: "Jack"
JACK: "where am I"

SAWYER: "Your home. Kate is going to be ok, she's at the hospital."

CHRISTIAN: "You've had quite a shock, but everything checks out, you'll be fine"

SAWYER: "Doc, I can't tell you how worried we were, I saw you disappear...."

JACK: Sit's up on the edge of the bed, looks at Sawyer for a long moment; "I need to brush my teeth"

SAWYER: "Ok doc, let me help you up"

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Jack walks slowly to the bathroom and closes the door. He squeezed some toothpaste on a brush and some more into the sink....he stares a long time at his reflection in the mirror.

Then, suddenly, he slams his head into the mirror......

the broken mirror reveals the reflection of MiB!

THE END

It's Last Chance night. If I hate tonight's ep as much as I did the last two, I'm not going to any Final Episode parties. I won't be inspired to throw together a last-minute costume, that's for sure (especially since the one idea I took a liking to requires me to dye my hair).

Now, since I'm not a one who can even follow the questions, much less hope they are answered, let's have a look at that list ...

In addition to the 2½ hour finale on Sunday, there are a couple other programs of note.

Prior to the finale, there's "Lost: The Final Journey", a two hour cast retrospective from 7:00p - 9:00p.

Then after the finale and news, there's a special version of Jimmy Kimmel Live entitled "Aloha to Lost" starting at Midnight. It'll feature appearances from executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse with "alternate endings" ;) of the show.

8 Things Amelia McDonell-Parry (whoever that is) Will Not Miss About Lost

Link contains spoilers about previous Lost episodes...

On the official LOST podcast, Damon and Carlton said they only wrote one ending and had fun with the alternate endings.

Wow, that's quite a list. And say I was way more in touch with the series, and wanted just HALF of that list answered. It would be IMPOSSIBLE in two remaining episodes unless they were both just everyone sitting around a campfire listening to a lecture from Jacob's ghost.

I think watching The Imaginarium of Dr. Parnassus just before Lost is about to end was a bad idea. I think I'll just be spending the whole time wishing they'd swap in Chris Plummer and Tom Waits as Jacob and MIB. Now THAT would be something to watch.

There are a lot of valid questions on that list. Some are dumb, though.

"Why was Charlie fated to die, exactly? What did Charlie's death accomplish, in the end?" Um, fate doesn't have to have a reason, or accomplish anything.

"Why was Libby in the same mental hospital as Hurley? What's her deal exactly? Why was she in Australia?" Does this really count as 3 questions? First question, um, because everyone intersects in the alt. timeline. Second, I'm not going to dignify with an answer. Third question I wouldn't count as something they "really have to answer". Who cares?

"It seems like everyone who was a passenger on Oceanic 815 has numerous connections that they don't even know about. Like Jack and Claire being half-siblings, and Sawyer's ex-girlfriend helping Kate confront her mom. What caused this excessive degree of synchronicity?" Wow, there may be no dumb questions, but this is a dumb one. Um, because, that's the crux of the show, that it's all about fate, that everyone is linked. It's like asking "why do the Losties keep getting split up and reuniting over and over again?" Because that's the show. Dumb.

God, I hate these lists.

George Lucas wrote a letter to the creators of Lost:


Um, yeah, George - it was a total secret that you hadn't planned it all out in advance, ever since you oh-so-cleverly had the plot in Empire Strikes Back contradict major story points in Star Wars. Sure looked like a plan to me. :p

OMG, link please?? He ACTUALLY said that?? Fvck Lucas, FVCK HIM! :mad:

Since Lost exec producer David Lindelof's response to the letter is quoted here, I have to assume the letter was legit.

The trouble with Lucas is that you would never be able to quantify the difference between him planning it all in advance and pulling it out of his arse as he goes along. The best I can tell is that both methods lead to the same result with him.

I must point out that American Graffiti and Star Wars were brilliant. Raiders of the Lost Ark also not bad (i.e., brilliant, but he didn't direct). So i think it was the chins that brought him down. More of a hack with each one.

T-Minus 15-minutes ... and I'm still reeling from what a wasted opportunity last week was.

Hmmmmmmm....

I so don't want it to be over yet I CANNOT WAIT for Sunday! :D

Gah! Is it Sunday yet?

I'm really glad I don't have to hide from the media because I'm playing MA.

So. Spoilers ahead, duh.




When Jack volunteered, I was so sure he was going to be killed before he got ordained. I guess it's possible that he could still be killed...

I'm really enjoying Desmond's flipside character. Ben's little storyline was nice, too. Seeing Danielle was awesome.

However, it seems we haven't moved much closer at all. Jacob only said what we already know. I'm disappointed in the 4 remaining Losties not asking any questions, such as "WHY??" Why, why, why?

Though I guess the lesson I took from the last episode is that it's the blind leading the blind anyway.

Who the heck is the mother of Jack's son?!

I'm going with Juliet. We've seen almost every other major character in the sideways world and they all either weren't intimately connected to Jack and/or don't make sense (such as Sarah, whom he didn't meet until 2001). Some time ago, Lindelof and Cuse said it was someone we already know.

Almost no one else we know of (other than Penny) is old enough to be David's mother since he is what 14-15? That means his mom would have to be mid to late 30s (unless she was a teen mother- unlikely). Also, Jack and Juliet, being of a like age, would have been in med school at about the same time making for an instant back story. Finally, the producers have been very pointed in making sure we know he has blue eyes and, out of all the blue eyed ladies we know, all but Juliet can be eliminated due to one or more of the preceding reasons (granted, neither parent must have blue eyes in order for the child to have blue eyes but I really feel that the blue eyes scream "clue").

I know, it seems like this whole season the characters have been moving here and moving there but not really moving anywhere. If the point was to get all the characters to the right place for the final, that could have been accomplished a lot quicker(anyone ever see the movie Airport?....they moved characters and their stories much further than what Lost has done in the last two seasons in about 45 seconds)........unless, of course, they didn't really have any purpose to go here and there and not really go anywhere except to just stall until the season finale....sigh.

Oh, I just watched on Nightline a story about some of the worst TV finale's......are they prepping us for disapointment?

When Locked pulled out his phone to call the cops on Desmond, I turned to CP and said, "I just realized, with all the time they've spent in sideways land with LAPD, I'm surprised we haven't seen Ana Lucia." :) :)

I DID like the answer for why Kate's name was crossed off. That's about it. Everything else, meh. More trivial "answers" that just confirm the most straight-forward guesses and interpretations of what's going on and revealed nothing about the reasons and mechanisms.

When Locked pulled out his phone to call the cops on Desmond, I turned to CP and said, "I just realized, with all the time they've spent in sideways land with LAPD, I'm surprised we haven't seen Ana Lucia." :) :)

I DID like the answer for why Kate's name was crossed off. That's about it. Everything else, meh. More trivial "answers" that just confirm the most straight-forward guesses and interpretations of what's going on and revealed nothing about the reasons and mechanisms.

Why did Ben insist on taking the walkie talkie to keep in touch with Miles? Do they have a plan? Did Miles take the explosives with him?

Did Richard get killed by the smoke monster? He's immortal right?

When Hurley recognized Ana Lucia, Desmond said "she's not ready yet". Does Hurley know what's going on?

It did seem like Hurley was in on the plan and knows what's going on in the sideways.

Since they didn't show Richard actually dying I vote that he's still alive. Smokey just wanted him out of the way for the moment.

Looks like Hurley is on board. I wonder how Desmond knows exactly when and where to bump into everyone. That's some seriously specific info.

And more evidence that the Desmond were currently seeing is not the same one who was wearing a wedding ring.

My bet is that the Desmond we're currently seeing was/is going to be sent by Jack.

Ben is in full con mode right now. I'm absolutly certain he's going to end up betraying Flocke.

I'm also thinking Richard is still alive.

Are we ever going to see Rose and Bernard on the island again?

Is Desmond the new Richard then? I would go that route rather than Richard is still alive.

Is the non wedding ring Desmond the new Jacob? Off the island to set up something that will "fix" it?

What's with the cuts on Jacks neck?

I'm more excited about what's brewing in the alt timeline than what is going on in the Island (LOVE how that is all playing out), but I am looking forward to seeing how both will converge.

Jack assuming Jacob's role felt very anti-climatic, so I hope that was intentional.

I would have been surprised if Ben's vendetta against Widmore had just gone away, but if we're supposed to believe that Miles discovering Ben's "daughter's" grave caused him to about face EVERYTHING, I'll be pissed. HIs "because no one else will have me" episode was one of my favorite in the series. That said he's always been two-faced.

If Richard doesn't have a pivital role in the finale, his character will seem totally pointless in retrospect.

Lockeness Monster saying he wants to destroy the Island made me think of the opening scene, where we see the Island underwater. Always assumed that was the alt timeline, based on the bomb exploding and causing that re-boot, but now I'm wondering if it was foreshadowing the finale in some way.

Interesting....that would be quite something if Flocke wins. That mysterious first scene could indeed be a grand foreshadowing.

Do you think there will be resolutions during the final episode or do you think they're going to hold out and make a movie with the answers in it?

Has there been talk of a movie to do that???? That would suck. I don't think it would suck if Flocke wins. That would be an interesting twist.

Sideways Desmond hasn't met Penny yet. He is bringing Kate as his date to the concert that Penny is performing at.

He met her already. Tracked her down at the stadium running.

I've read they pose as many new questions as they supply answers, but I will leave horse heads in the writers' beds if they have plans to follow up with a film. Twin Peaks anyone?!

I assumed the concert was the one with Jack's son, or, are Penny and Jack's son performing in the same concert? Which would make it very weird for Penny to be Jack's son's mother.

You're right and I also forgot that Sideways Desmond already met Penny at the arena (thanks KS!)

I don't know specifically, but there does seem to be some kind of injury "cross over" to the Sideways Jack. First there was the appendectomy scar he had no memory of, I think there was another cut on an earlier episode, and now the multiple minor lacerations on his neck.

I think Desmond has done this a few times, remember his "first" encounter with Jack? "See you in another life, brotha."

I wonder if Desmond ever got to see the movie "Groundhog Day."

There's also the possibility that the island ultimately has to be destroyed in order to prevent NotLocke from unleashing evil on/destroying the world.

I rather liked the bare-bones way they went about it. It would have seemed stupid to me if they pretended there was some suspense - - like as if Jack wasn't going to replace Jacob from about the fifth episode of the series.

Anyway, they had the Ask Jacob Questions Around the Campfire scene that I've been waiting for all season. I can't really blame them for only covering the major, major questions - otherwise that scene would have had to have been a double episode all its own. Would have been fine by me, but I can see why they want to move things along at a brisker pace.


And I think Richard's alive (otherwise why not show it?), and I'm sure Ben is double-crossing Flocke. How much more could that have been telegraphed? Like I said, twists are fine - cheats are not. Ben is still on "our" side.

I think Richard is alive because he is like Jacob - immortal... or immortal to the point he has to be stabbed to die.

Do we know if Jack's son goes to the same school Locke and Ben teach at (and Alex attends)?

The blond in this pic is Ashley. She's my cast mate for "Once Upon One Time". :)

Unless everything prior has been a lie, Richard is still alive because Flocke can't kill him.

I don't think Flocke could kill Richard, but the way the smoke monster parted like a fork and caught Richard by the throat. I'm wondering if Smokie could have pinned Richard to a tree with a branch through is hands or shoulders or something.

I'm also waiting to see one scene where the monster transitions between forms of Locke and smoke on screen.

Interesting thought:

There have been several warnings about not letting Smoked Lox talk to you before trying to kill him, that even one word seems to be enough to doom you to whatever that dooms you to.

Richard told Ben, "Let me talk to him, I know what he wants." Then Locke came in and did what no one else seems to be able to do to him...absolutely prevented Richard from talking to him.

So perhaps Smokey knows that the advantage one gains from talking is not Smokey's alone.

Hmm, that is kinda interesting. I don't think we'll ever find out. The time for answers is growing short. I liked last night's episode, but correct me if I'm wrong - the only answer we got was why Kate's name was scratched off the list.

Am I missing anything?

Again, assuming we've seen the last of Jacob - so no more Jacob campfires full of questiontime - I don't think we have time for more than four more answers at this point.


Which four would YOU most like?


(That's the general you, not necessarily Ghoulish Delight)

I'm holding out hope for a Walt explanation.

1) Walt & Vincent
2) Rose & Bernard (unless I forgot we already learned that)
3) Why the numbers kept popping up earlier and why Hurley didn't give Anna Lucia $108Mil
4) Why the island is at the bottom of the ocean.

I read a quote by Malcolm David Kelley wherein he said a growth spurt pretty much killed his chances at staying on Lost. He's almost 10 inches taller now than when the show began.

But I totally agree with you, I'd love to learn why Walt was so "special".

Lazy. On a show with immortals and time travel they couldn't figure out a way to write around a growth spurt? Really?

His head is frozen and is under the Pirates of the Caribbean ride.

The ****ed up casting a kid and realized he would age too quickly. Heh. They could have done something with him, with the time travel, etc. But, I wouldn't hold your breath. I think that kid is a loose end.

Friend pointed out that Miles has never spoken to the Lockeness Monster.

The only things I still care about:

- Is the Island being under water a result of A) Juliette setting off the bomb, creating an ALT timeline/universe, or B) Was it foreshadowing Lockeness Monster destroying the Island, or C) A bit of both.

- Will the ALT timeline/universe converge with the Island timeline/universe, adding meaning to Juliette's last words, "It worked."

- Is this really all boiling down to a religious googly mook battle between "good" and "evil", with no explanation of the Magical Lightbulb Source of life other than "BECUASE IT'S THE MAGICAL LIGHTBULB SOURCE OF LIFE", or is it maybe some kind of virtual reality experiment?

- What is going on with Ben?

I'm not sure he was any more special than, say, Miles. Paranormal activity was always a part of the show, and Walt's character seemed a way to introduce that kind of phenomena, along with glimpses of dead people, random polar bear I Spys, etc.

And as for Rose and Bernard, when we saw them last they pretty much wanted to be left to their own devices, to live out their lives apart from all the drama. I wouldn't be surprised if they were only reintroduced at the very end with little more explanation than that, if at all.

After all is done I'd love to hear what they had planned for Walt, though I assume any such plans were meshed into the show in other ways.

Now that Widmore is dead, I guess we have to believe what he said last about his motivations. Unsatisfying at best.

So far any "answers" we've been getting have been rather forced. More show and less tell would be nice. I'm worried the finale is going to be everyone standing around answering questions.

I cannot wait for the concert - seeing absolutely everyone in one place would be killer!

At which point the roof will lift off the concert hall to reveal that they are actually in a viewing gallery, being watched over by their captors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iggE4ImYwyc

a tribute to LOST.

I went to the New York Times Lost event tonite.......

A few observations:

1) Emmerson is a lot bigger looking on a stage with his producers than he looks on the show.......

2) The writers pretty much admit that ~Across the Sea~ sucked.

3) The writers also admit that many of the questions we will still have after the show is all done are due to writing mistakes they made, mostly in Seasons 2 and 3.

4) Damon reveals that the TV show that most inspired him to become a writer...........ISM is going to love this.................~Twin Peaks~

5) Garcia, when asked if he understood the ending, hinted that he wasn't sure if he got it or not, but then shrugged and said "yeah, I got it".

Wasn't a waste of time to go to this event, but I got in for free(wife, theater manager), not sure if it was really worth whatever they were charging people.....although they did show a sizeable clip from the finale, which was enjoyable, but not all that revealing.

Spoiler----contains a brief description of a scene from the final episode:

Interesting. In the final Official Lost Podcast, Darlton discussed the episode and did not think it sucked. They did acknowledge it was a very controversial episode and they were shocked by the vehement reactions to it. But that was recorded a week ago and they could have changed their minds in the interim.

That episode SUCKED and there's no two ways about it. It put me off the entire season, and may be the entire show - - as it was, or should have been, obvious that is was one of the major, major episodes - and no fvckups were allowed. Yet it was a giant FAIL.

That some of the writers thought it sucked tells me that just don't give a damn.

And, at this point, neither do I.

They didn't actually come out and say it sucked, but listening between the lines gave me the impression that they were embarrassed by it....and they were definitely practicing empathy towards those who thought it did.

Writing doesn't always turn out the way you want it to, though. I'm betting they thought everyone would love it, that it would be fitting to go back and show the island's history.

But just because JK Rowling loved Hagrid, it doesn't mean that we particularly care.

I did get one nice interesting tid-bit from last night; someone in the audience asked Damon if Widmore was really working with Jacob or was he just lying to Ben:

How does (did) Jacob leave the island? Will Jack be able to?

I hope they don't do something dumb with the finale like the whole cut-to-black thing The Sopranos did.

I can't wait to see what the ratings are going to be like for the final show...

Well, I think we largely like Hagrid because of the performance (as far as the movies go) .... and get it? Largely like??? :p


There was nothing wrong with the performances in Across the Sea. I mean, frickin' Allison Janney, c'mon! It was directed and edited well enough, too.


It was a terribly written script. Absolutely horrible, terrible, bad, awful and -worst of all - a complete and utter WASTE of the opportunity I had been looking forward to for a few years.

This has not been determined yet....in fact, how Richard and Mr. Friendly got off the Island is also still a mystery.

I do wonder what famous TV ending Lost will most resemble:

Will it all be a dream ala Rosanne?

Will it be a flight to a destination unknown ala Frasier?

Will it be uber sappy ala Friends?

Will it be toally stupid ala Seinfeld?

Will it be a Snow-globe ala St. Elsewhere?

Will it be someone looking in a mirror ala Twin Peaks:eek:

Will it be a song and dance number ala Return of the Jedi/Fraggle Rock;)

It won't be a dream and it won't be a snowglobe. Though with how hot Mark Harmon looks these days I wouldn't mind him showing up along side Sawyer and Jack.