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Ghoulish Delight 09-24-2008 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Pirate Bill (Post 241616)
LDS bishops do, on occasion, perform marriages outside the temple. These marriages (as well as any other legally recognized marriage between one man and one woman) are currently recognized by the church.
That's not what is at issue, however. The point is that the church of LDS retains the right to refuse to perform a marriage if they don't want to.

Gemini Cricket 09-24-2008 01:52 PM
My eyes went crossed for a second. I went over to MP to look through a thread where I posted a Letter to the Editor that I wrote. I went through a loooong thread about SSM. It made it to 1000 posts without being closed. I thought that was cool. It was civil and intelligent. Anyway, I found what I was looking for.
Flashback-o-rama!
:D

Kevy Baby 09-24-2008 09:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 241591)
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There is an important difference between religious marriage and civil marriage. Religious groups and clergy members have a constitutionally protected right to recognize or refuse to recognize religious marriages based on the tenets of their particular faith. That has not changed and will not change (if Prop 8 is voted down). But the government can't treat same-sex couples differently when issuing civil marriage licenses or solemnizing civil marriages.
Thank you. While it is not an official, cited source, it does provide a solid answer.

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 241626)
That's not what is at issue, however. The point is that the church of LDS retains the right to refuse to perform a marriage if they don't want to.
To be honest, I believe that churches (not just LDS) should be able to retain the right to refuse to perform a Constitutionally legal marriage.

Ghoulish Delight 09-24-2008 09:47 PM
I never said I disagreed with that.

innerSpaceman 09-24-2008 09:54 PM
Neither did I. We said just the opposite, and all along. It's a canard raised by churches as a fearmongering tactic to protect a friggin' word.

JWBear 09-24-2008 11:13 PM
If 8 passes (Goddess forbid!) I think we should start a petition to get an initiative on the ballot to change all government sanctioned marriages into Domestic Partnerships in the state of California. Make it law that only churches can call them "marriages". That preserves the religious use of marriages being only one man and one woman; and it makes sure that all couples, be they gay or straight, are treated equally under the law!

(Did that make any sense? I'm sleepy, and I re-wrote it 3 times.)

Andrew 09-24-2008 11:26 PM
If 8 passes it will immediately (the same day) be challenged and enjoined in court. I seem to recall there is a problem with the language that makes it a Constitutional revision, not an amendment, which may not be done through the initiative process.

Ah, found it. That effort seems to be on hold right now but be assured it will be mounted again should the initiative actually pass.

Gemini Cricket 09-25-2008 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 241749)
Thank you. While it is not an official, cited source, it does provide a solid answer.
It is from the No on 8 site.
Source
I also emailed one of my friends with Equality California. His answer was the same.

Kevy Baby 09-25-2008 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Gemini Cricket (Post 241803)
It is from the No on 8 site.
Source
I also emailed one of my friends with Equality California. His answer was the same.
Even better; it is now an official cited source! Even more thanks!

BarTopDancer 09-26-2008 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer (Post 241378)
New ad that just played during House. I like that this one appeals to parents (different demographic then the wedding one).
They just aired this ad on NBC (literally just before the opening debate credits)


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