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Kevy Baby 05-03-2011 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis (Post 346202)
As long as you say you would give President Bush similarly little credit if this had happened during his presidency.

Not to speak for scaegles, but IMO, his post has NOTHING to do with ANY president.

Strangler Lewis 05-03-2011 03:54 PM

Not speak for scaeagles, but say what you will about his favorite president, he was not afraid to roil the international waters. Nor was W if to less good effect. Obama ordered the assassination of a world leader. Yes, the operation is extraordinarily complicated, but such a decision comes from the president.

And he's killed some pirates.

JWBear 05-03-2011 04:01 PM

Denying Obama any credit for Bin Laden's death is the current Republican meme. Many of those who previously gave him credit have now flip-flopped. It's an amusingly transparent bit of partisanship, and people need to be called out for it whenever it happens.

BarTopDancer 05-03-2011 04:06 PM

SCA's post was referring to the SEAL team - we will never know who actually took part in the operation (nor should we).

I find it amusing that there is all sorts of hubbub about the "non-existent SEAL team" that took out bin Laden. How SEAL Team Six doesn't exist. I completely understand what they mean by a non-existent special ops/black ops team, I'm just amused that they keep talking about it. Haven't they ever read Tom Clancy?

Kevy Baby 05-03-2011 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Strangler Lewis (Post 346204)
Not speak for scaeagles, but say what you will about his favorite president, he was not afraid to roil the international waters. Nor was W if to less good effect. Obama ordered the assassination of a world leader. Yes, the operation is extraordinarily complicated, but such a decision comes from the president.

And he's killed some pirates.

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 346205)
Denying Obama any credit for Bin Laden's death is the current Republican meme. Many of those who previously gave him credit have now flip-flopped. It's an amusingly transparent bit of partisanship, and people need to be called out for it whenever it happens.

Again: scaeagles's post (IMO) was NOTHING about ANY president: giving or taking away from Obama, George W Bush, or Ronald Reagan. He was (IMO) simply trying to give credit to the SEALs who did the deed. It was Strangler Lewis who tried to make it about a President.

Yes, Obama gave the green light to make it happen and should it have failed, the blame would have been on his shoulders and therefore, he gets credit for the mission's success. But I, like scaeagles, ALSO want to sing the praises of the troops on the ground (as well as the intelligence people, the support crews - such as the crew who was able to fly in a replacement helicopter on a moment's notice when one crashed, even the crews who built the mock-up to run training exercises, et. al.).

scaeagles 05-03-2011 07:38 PM

I went on a self imposed exile for a while. I came back a short while ago. I dare to make a completely innocent post for the first time (in a political thread) since my return and this is what happens. Sigh.

BarTopDancer 05-03-2011 07:49 PM

Pay no attention to the people blinded by their own party politics unable to read without a filter. Most of us understood what you are saying (did you see?!?!?!?! we even pointed it out!!11!1!!!!)

(extra ?!?!?!1111!1!!! added for sh*ts and giggles)

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Originally Posted by Morrigoon (Post 346195)
True, and sadly we cannot give them the public accolades they deserve because to do so would endanger their lives.

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 346203)
Not to speak for scaegles, but IMO, his post has NOTHING to do with ANY president.

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer (Post 346207)
SCA's post was referring to the SEAL team - we will never know who actually took part in the operation (nor should we).

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 346217)
Again: scaeagles's post (IMO) was NOTHING about ANY president: giving or taking away from Obama, George W Bush, or Ronald Reagan. He was (IMO) simply trying to give credit to the SEALs who did the deed. It was Strangler Lewis who tried to make it about a President.

SNIP

But I, like scaeagles, ALSO want to sing the praises of the troops on the ground (as well as the intelligence people, the support crews - such as the crew who was able to fly in a replacement helicopter on a moment's notice when one crashed, even the crews who built the mock-up to run training exercises, et. al.).


katiesue 05-03-2011 08:08 PM

I think I can safely state that no sitting President has ever taken part in any military operation covert or otherwise while in office. It's not the President's job to take part it's to supervise and make the tough calls. And you get it right you get the kudos, you mess it up you get reprimands. This one sounds like it was a fairly risky call that could have very easily gone south at any point. Why can't we all just say good job all around?

JWBear 05-03-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer (Post 346224)
Pay no attention to the people blinded by their own party politics unable to read without a filter.

Totally unfair and uncalled for. I was making an observation that was related to what Sarah Palin said. I was completely aware of Leo's intent and meaning, and it wasn't directed at him.

BarTopDancer 05-03-2011 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 346226)
Totally unfair and uncalled for. I was making an observation that was related to what Sarah Palin said. I was completely aware of Leo's intent and meaning, and it wasn't directed at him.

I'm tempted to call this typical backpedaling shenanigans because you're getting called out but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt here...

Perhaps you should have quoted the post you were replying to because calling it being the "current Republican meme" knowing SCA and his viewpoints looks an awful lot like directing it at Leo.


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