Morrigoon and Alex have stated my major reasons against and why I am not so against the national ID card.

I hate the concept, but in essence we already do have one. In all reality it is next to impossible to do anything without your social security number, and that, as we know, isn't very secure.

I am against big government. However, since one of the only Constitutionally mandated functions of the feds is to protect and control our borders (and therefore control the flow of people into it), it might be a valid function as a tool to get people out that don't belong.

No, it is not supposed to be a valid for of ID (that's why I said "for employment purposes" not "for identification purposes"). But it is a valid form of evidence that you are eligible to work in this country. And, as such, it only seems appropriate that it bear the ability to match that eligibility to the person holding the card.

Since the primary goal of illegal immigration is employment (as much as some would like to believe it is terrorism, welfare, anchor babies, and sleeping with our wommins) enforcing that employment eligibility would have a huge impact on the market for illegal immigration.

But do you understand what enforcing that would entail? What it already entails? Everything we do to "get them" is going to "get" us. It's like airport security - in order to TRY to filter out less than a dozen bad guys, millions of Americans have to go through and enormous amount of hassle, annoyance, and inconvenience, which, in turn, affects how free we really are.

hence this weeks 'sig' line

Freedom does not mean freedom from inconvenience, does it? I am free to fly as long as I am willing to go through airport security. Does it make me less free that it takes time and is a hassle? I have a choice as to if I want to fly.

To drive I need a license and insurance. To leave the country I need a passport and must endure customs. There are many inconveniences that do not make me less free.

Just because I feel like being snide and melodramatic....

The people of Soviet Russia had the choice whether to stand in line for bread or not.

I share many of the same broad stroke problems you have with bush. But I think your forgetting the best thing of all about bush. He is hardline in the exact areas that completely piss off your classic progressive liberal... even if he doses little to nothing policy wise it's not caring about their pet issue that seems to drive them particularly nuts and be the real travesty to them.

Any moonbats please feel free to add to why else you hate him so so very much (oh you know what on second thought don't I can just go back and read any forum on any topic and cant help but run into more vivid reasons)

Damn you Bush-hitler for being so indifferent to our chi late focused rage, <high-pitched squeaky voice> Damn you</high-pitched squeaky voice> <<shakes fist in air>>

I really need to see that movie. Because if I don't soon, CP is going to come after me.

True, but where would freedom end for you? Routine unannounced searches of your home that presumably would not ever turn up anything (unless you mouthed off) but might at the fellow's house down the street? Police with batons on every street corner telling people to move along? Listening devices to check in on your harmless conversation?