Some cough syrups have elements that are extracted for use in making methamphetamine.

I think that was the point of the list. All of those items (with the exception of speeding, but you can do that legally in controlled situations) are legal. And addictive. And can cause harm

Either you are against all items that are addictive and can do harm or you aren't. The point I see is that it is ridiculous for one substance (alcohol is the perfect example) to be legal for recreational use and another (pot) is not. It is a hypocrisy.

Morrigoon, if you hadn't used CP's quote, there would not be this argument with your stance. But it seems to me you have clarified your position ... and acknowledge that people can enjoy their medicine ... much as if Mary Poppins were their nanny.


Yes, you can get inadvertently high from standing next to people smoking pot. Or, um, you could move away from them.


On the other hand, drugs and alcohol that impair one's ability to drive may defy your ability to get away from them, simply because you are not near enough to tell ... until it's too late!


So how does this affect your stance on alcohol vs. pot?

Bingo. :snap:

Well, in Morrigoon's defense, the difference is that second-hand smoke can get you high, while second-hand fumes don't really.



I think I de-bunked that pretty well with the whole locomotion ability of humans. But the difference is there nonetheless.

Hence why if it were legal, it could be sequestered to designated areas, just like tobacco. ;)

My brother just gave up WoW because he realized it had taken over his life. He's jobless, living at home, and he almost turned down a job offer because it was an evening position, and evenings are when the raids happen. Thank God he finally saw the light and cancelled his account, or he would never get his life together. Now at least he has a chance. It's exactly the same thing. For some people <addictive thing> is fun, for others, it is dangerous. That's called life.

And, no matter what it is, it does have an affect on the others around that person. (Neglect, etc.)

It's the person, not the substance.

I don't intend this to turn into "pick on Morrigoon", but the second-hand smoke argument is a bit of a red herring and was thrown in secondarily, so to speak, when the "addictive and personally harmful" argument was refuted.

Even I don't necessarily advocate 100% boundary free legal pot smoking. But private use in private residences and possibly designated pubic areas allowing people the choice to be around it or not? How is that any more harmful than alcohol or countless other vices?

It's not. But I understand Goonie's got personal experiences that affect her opinion. Just as someone who personally knows a gambling addict's horror tales might have enhanced personal feelings about that particular addiction.


But I would hope Morrigoon could acknowledge that's her personal bias, and that - in theory - other addictions are just as bad even though her emotions and history may not allow her to easily see things that way.


(And I'm wondering why, just as a curiosity, she doesn't feel as strongly about crystal meth, or for that matter, sex addiction, which had devastating effects on a close, close friend of hers. Or, well, maybe she does.)

Sex should be illegal. It'd make it even more fun.