Klingon has no past tense. Maybe it was Klingon.

The article though also points out what I said- it is a magnet for terrorists from other countries.

Look- I have never said war is a good thing- and I have no way to know how history will treat Iraq- I do know however, that if they want to come there, and we are there- that if we kill or capture them- that is a good thing.

Look- terrorists are going to do what they do- they are going to be drawn to places of conflict. They are going to sow discord, violence and strife.....but the fact, in my view remains, that we have to do the fighting- we can not buy peace by negotiation, nor by retreat.

Let's say we pull out of Iraq- hell, let's just remove ourselves from the Middle East altogether. Some people think that will bring peace- but it won't.

Example- Gaza.

Israel pulls out- and Hamas celebrates the successful results of their violence.

Same principle- if terrorists and insurgents drive us away- if we leave the area, the message is clear. That we will retreat in the face of violence- and that will empower them to believe (because these people are hardly known for rational thought) they their actions drove us out, and they will want to continue.

One just has to understand the goal of radical islam- and that is world domination under their law and beliefs.

I'm not advocating pulling out of Iraq. I'm advocating accountability on the part of the Bush administration for their mistakes and lies (already missed opportunity #1 when he was reelected) and an end to the rhetoric and lies that got us into this mess to begin with. I'm advocating not electing another megalomaniac bent on sugar-coated imperialism. Yes, we're stuck in Iraq. I just wish people would stop denying the undeniable lessons that we should be learning from it, lest we end up rushing into Syria under the same false pretenses.

And I'm not even saying there aren't good reasons to go into Syria. There may very well be, but with the web of mistakes, distortions, outright lies, and double-speak that's been woven, how the hell am I supposed to believe any of what I'm hearing, especially when Bush would rather die than ever admit to a mistake.

That is exactly how I feel. We do take a risk by having an open society, but I'm not willing to have a cop on every streetcorner in order to feel a pretend sense of "safe".

LOL

I'm just sayin'. It WAS a MENSA meeting, afterall.

And what, may I ask, is wrong with "retreating" to our own borders and defending those? Are we somehow pretending that we are going to kill every terrorist on earth? If not, then they will always be somewhere. Let them be where they will be. Try to kill them clandestinely or economically, but not via warfare. Ahem, especially warfare that has been completely inept (see, e.g., this week's Time magazine for a history of the missteps that are quickly making Iraq this generation's hate-to-say-we-told-you-so Vietnam).


I hate to say it, but it appears that the only way to kill terrorists conducting a guerilla campaign is to also kill tons of civilizians that they put themselves in the midst of. This is true whether we attack them preemptively in other countries or attack them in actual retribution in other countries. The terrorists are never going to be hanging out in their own TerrorTown. They take over actual towns and cities, and we must either bomb that city into complete oblivion or let the terrorists escape with the civilians.

It's quite interesing that we have fought in Iraq these last couple years to remove a secular government, and then have a islamic government instated. Sounds really familiar to me, like something from the 70's or 80's in Iran. Except I think that was the removal of a secular democratic government, to be replaced by a more dictatorial Islamic Government. Whatever the case, it seems we are batting 0.00 in the middle east with regime change.

We're batting O-fer world wide in that regard. Haiti, Colombia, Panama, and others. Every attempt at this kind of regime change necessitating the rebuilding of police and military forces, has ended in failure. There's not a single example of success. I'm not holding my breath on this one.

seems I have learnt somewhere that those that fail to learn from the past are doomed to repeat it......


Not to mention the Einstein(I think) definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over with the expectation of a different result.

Hrmm, how many more times are we going to repeat this obviously futile attempt to change the governments of other countries.