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Alex 01-23-2009 01:04 PM

Yeah, I was being a bit flippant with making a new building the biggest thing I said and putting all the staffing issues under "infrastructure."

I do agree it would be an expensive hurdle, but also think it is lame that if more would create better government that we don't suck it up and do it.

JWBear 01-23-2009 01:05 PM

I'm just not convinced it would make for a better government. The inefficiencies would overwhelm any benefits.

Alex 01-23-2009 01:12 PM

Certainly an issue for debate. But as federalism fades I think it becomes increasingly important that there be some relatively local form of representation at the national level.

And more importantly, while I think geographic representation is important enough that straight up 1:1 representation shouldn't be the ideal, I think we've skewed way too far. Rural congressmen now wield too much power in relation to their urban colleagues.

So I could be convinced either way, but I think the complexity of expansion prevents it from being seriously discussed.

sleepyjeff 01-23-2009 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 265074)
It's not just the architecture, it's also the logistics of having that many in Congress. That's the deal breaker. And don't forget that all of those 11,000 people (and their staffs) would be paid!


I am going to a Blazer game tomorrow night....20,000 fans plus hundreds of employees will all be inside one building.

How many office's are there in the Pentagon?

With that many congresspersons, each one could concentrate on just one committee and wouldn't need a staff. As for their pay.....we don't need professional legislators; each one should be paid a stipend to cover basic living expenses while away from home and nothing more. No pensions, no 6 figure salaries, etc. Think of it as a sort of voluntary jury duty.

SacTown Chronic 01-23-2009 01:14 PM

The solution is more politicians? I need a drink.

Moonliner 01-23-2009 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 265070)
It does, however, rely on never ever allowing Guam to transition from territory to state. (Just noticed I was sloppy in my quick spreadsheet and my numbers above include Puerto Rico.)

Using the 2 for the smallest method, with Guam in the picture that bumps things up to 3,518 members of the House. Even Wyoming would have six.

I don't know about Guam, But the District of Columbia is pushing for statehood and Obama is on record supporting it.

Alex 01-23-2009 01:19 PM

Probably not. Even if it helped the complaints we have now I'm sure it would produce new issues we despise just as much.

Ultimately the problem is that people aren't inclined to pay close attention to government involving more than a few thousand people and once people aren't paying close attention they'll eventually get screwed.

We could balkanize but I don't want use a passport to visit Sacramento.

JWBear 01-23-2009 01:20 PM

There is also this point:

We all have just one representative in the House. I think I'd rather have someone representing me that one out of 435 rather than one out of 11,000; someone who has 1/435th of the power rather than 1/11,000 of the power.

Moonliner 01-23-2009 01:21 PM

Like this?


JWBear 01-23-2009 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic (Post 265085)
The solution is more politicians? I need a drink.

Amen to that!


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