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Kevy Baby 08-25-2008 04:23 PM

In reading today's LA Times (yes, I still read the physical newspaper - I'm a dinosaur), I saw an interesting article talking about how art used to be an Olympic event. I was unaware of that!

Alex 08-25-2008 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 235104)
But were they all out before they arrived at the top of their sport?

I want to believe that someone doesn't have to worry about whether their sexual orientation will affect them; I just understand the reality of some people in our society :(

They don't have been all out for my suspicion to be correct. But unless there is a serious suggestion on the table that homosexuality produces athletic skill, then either it is a statistical fluke or there is some underlying variable at play.

To me, having the population of gays in the game swing to the high end of achievement suggests that somehow the rest of the curve is being cut out. Either the less successful gay participants are pressured out of the sport more than equally successful straight participants or fearing such pressure the less successful ones just don't come out.

Just a theory. Kind of like how the early black MLB players were disproportionately Hall of Famers, not because being black made you a better player but simply because being black meant you had to be a better player to get on the field. It was quite a bit later that you could be a mediocre black player.

Ghoulish Delight 08-25-2008 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 235117)
To me, having the population of gays in the game swing to the high end of achievement suggests that somehow the rest of the curve is being cut out. Either the less successful gay participants are pressured out of the sport more than equally successful straight participants or fearing such pressure the less successful ones just don't come out.

Perhaps they are just happier to spend even more time than their competitors hanging around the gym surrounded by bulge-revealing onesies, thus they get far more training time.

€uroMeinke 08-25-2008 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevy Baby (Post 235105)
In reading today's LA Times (yes, I still read the physical newspaper - I'm a dinosaur), I saw an interesting article talking about how art used to be an Olympic event. I was unaware of that!

Awesome article love the connection to Mary Blair

SzczerbiakManiac 08-28-2008 12:20 PM

NBC apologizes for not mentioning Mitcham is gay

Moonliner 08-28-2008 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SzczerbiakManiac (Post 235741)

I don't remember them mentioning the sexual orientation of all the straight athletes and I don't feel snubed. Why would you expect sexual orientation to be mentioned as part of the Olympics coverage?

Morrigoon 08-28-2008 01:14 PM

Bravo for them not considering it relevant to an athletic event

Strangler Lewis 08-28-2008 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex (Post 235117)
Kind of like how the early black MLB players were disproportionately Hall of Famers, not because being black made you a better player but simply because being black meant you had to be a better player to get on the field. It was quite a bit later that you could be a mediocre black player.

In that vein, I noted that Tuesday was the 51st anniversary of Dan Bankhead's debut as the first black major league pitcher.

SzczerbiakManiac 08-28-2008 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 235745)
I don't remember them mentioning the sexual orientation of all the straight athletes

That's not true. Every time the camera shows an athlete's opposite-sex spouse or boy/girlfriend, that is exactly what they are saying.

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Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 235745)
Why would you expect sexual orientation to be mentioned as part of the Olympics coverage?

Because, in this case, it is relevant. Mitcham is the only out gay male at the Olympics this year. He is the only diver to break the Chinese stranglehold on diving gold. His struggle to even get to the Olympics with his partner was big news in his native Australia.

But more importantly, gay men are associated with being physically weak, poor at sports, and the antitheses of athletic. When an open gay male succeeds in an athletic endeavor, it is a big deal. Should it be a big deal? No, of course not. But reality, at least for now, makes that answer a resounding yes.

Even on this board, with its high population of left-wing/liberals (not saying that as a pejorative, just a statement of fact) has had non-conservative posters make comments about how hard it was to believe a gay man could enjoy sport for sport sake and not for the sole purpose of ogling the athletes.

That is why I would expect NBC to mention it.

For further examples, please see the following articles on OutSports:
NBC, media ignore Mitcham’s sexuality
NBC defends not saying Mitcham is gay
What Mitcham’s win means to gays everywhere

Strangler Lewis 08-28-2008 01:38 PM

I sort of agree with both sides. There are two ways that sexual orientation merit mention at the Olympics: 1) a quick cutaway to the partner in the stands without comment; 2) as part of a human interest story about obstacles overcome if, indeed, there were obstacles. However, I don't think editorial comment along the lines of "And you thought gay guys weren't athletic" would be any more appropriate than praising our black swimmer with "And Al Campanis said blacks lack buoyancy."


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