I'm disturbed by the use of Palin's church in the discussion.

I considered it irrelevant to Obama's campaign when he was attacked for his church's rhetoric and I consider it equally irrelevant to hers. The only reason I would bring it up myself is to counter anyone Rev. Wright, and only to say that it shouldn't be brought into it.

I'm not saying she doesn't hold the views, but until SHE makes a statement about what SHE believes, I don't really care what someone else she has listened to says.

Yeah, you're right, and for what it's worth, I offer my apologies to 3894 and to all here. Sincerely. I did indeed cross a line.

I do, however, take great offense at being told that my opinion is uninformed because of a lack of experience or education directly related to the topic at hand. I suppose I made that fairly obvious and indeed should not have written what you quoted above.

You are also right in saying that for the most part, no one here typically has the qualifications to offer "informed" opinions.

Again, I apologize.

And I'd been trying so hard to tone it down. :(

But in Obama's case, from what I recall it was one reverend making inane comments.

The ex-gay movement is a church-wide program. She has made her views on gay people quite clear. She has voiced opposition to domestic partnership, and only vetoed a bill which would deny rights to domestic partners in this fashion:

Her views are clear, and are clearly defined by her statements and actions. And sorry, but sometimes you can judge a member of the group by the group's actions (especially when they aren't doing anything to contradict it, either internally or to the public).

All Pro-Lifers should have their citizenships revoked and be deported to the Holy See in Rome, Italy to swell its population by millions.

The right to reproductive freedom has been the law of the land for long enough. The debate over such freedom still rages and that's fine, but how long must it take to realize the debate will NEVER end and therefore the obligation of the United States of America is to come down on the side of LIBERTY, and not on the side of religious belief if there is a permanent conflict between the liberty of our citizens and the religious beliefs of our citizens?


Similarly, it doesn't matter of it's genetic or not, I have a RIGHT to be homosexual if I so CHOOSE.



I hated it when they said it about the Reds and Commies, and I hate becoming that generation. But all you Fundie Christians who want to squelch the rights of all women and all gays and all the people who don't look and act just like you SHOULD GET THEFUK OUT OF AMERICA. NOW!


Go to some Christian Nation of Intolerance and Fear, and leave behind the Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave that you have nothing but disdain for.

Like I said, I don't doubt she believes and has acted on that, but bringing her church into it is an invitation to do the same to Barack, and it's invalid either way.

People will, and have (correctly) said that the anti-American, anti-white sentiments expressed by Wright are prevalent throughout the church, not just limited to Wright. But Obama has never himself exhibited those sentiments, so why does it matter?

Palin does happen to share some of her church's more hateful views, and those views should be brought forward. Not based on what other people in the church have said and done, based on what SHE has said and done.

1. Well, shoot. You've taken away my badge of honor.

2. Sarah Palin is scheduled to give her first interview Thursday to ABC's Charles Gibson. Politico.com is asking politicos What single question would you be sure to ask if you were him?

I'd ask: Talk about a mistake in office you have learned from. Palin seems far too black/white, unwilling to learn. I'd like her to prove me wrong. What would you ask?

And you've been mostly succeeding. I'm sure the apology is appreciated.

I've been ranting up a storm in the political threads this morning, so believe me I understand how this stuff gets hot under the collar.

Thanks Scaegales for being the bigger party on this one. Despite suffering a totally uncalled for personal attack you were able to make amends, something the original offending party seems unwilling to do.

Wait, I'm supposed to apologize to scaeagles? For what?

Was that really necessary?

"Hey look, a nasty exchange that I'm not really a part of seems to be coming to a level headed reasonable end. Lemme throw a sucker punch at one of the parties!"