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Well, if there are going to be links to move on, I'll link a factual article from NRO -

http://www.nationalreview.com/york/york200507121626.asp

Says it better than I ever could. Rove didn't do it.

scaeagles,

Any thoughts on why Scott McClellan didn't just say that Rove didn't do it in the press conference yesterday, if that is actually the case? Sure seems like he took a beating for nothing. :)

No thoughts on that, really.

Oh, he was trying to warn Time, to help them not publish an erroneous report....Too bad he didn't do the same for Newsweek.

Karl Rove: Martyred media samaritan. :rolleyes:

I wonder if this will be allowed to die now.....

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050715/D8BBQEVO0.html

"The person, who works in the legal profession and spoke only on condition of anonymity because of grand jury secrecy, told The Associated Press that Rove testified last year that he remembers specifically being told by columnist Robert Novak that Valerie Plame, the wife of a harsh Iraq war critic, worked for the CIA.

Rove testified that Novak originally called him the Tuesday before Plame's identity was revealed in July 2003 to discuss another story."

"In an interview on CNN earlier Thursday before the latest revelation, Wilson kept up his criticism of the White House, saying Rove's conduct was an "outrageous abuse of power ... certainly worthy of frog-marching out of the White House."

But at the same time, Wilson acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her. "My wife was not a clandestine officer the day that Bob Novak blew her identity," he said."

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...1257-9887r.htm

"A former CIA covert agent who supervised Mrs. Plame early in her career yesterday took issue with her identification as an "undercover agent," saying that she worked for more than five years at the agency's headquarters in Langley and that most of her neighbors and friends knew that she was a CIA employee.
"She made no bones about the fact that she was an agency employee and her husband was a diplomat," Fred Rustmann, a covert agent from 1966 to 1990, told The Washington Times. "

So.....
Novak told Rove the name "Valerie Plame". Novak was the one who initiated contact.

Cooper (as discussed earlier) believed a lie of Wilson that Cheney recommended he go to Niger, when it was in fact his wife Plame, and was corrected on it. Cooper was the one who initiated contact.

Wilson acknowledges that his wife wasn't undercover when the Novak article ran.

Most of her friends and neighbors knew she worked for the CIA, so this was hardly any secret.

I wonder what the new "attack Rove" spin will be.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Rove testified

That's good enough for me.

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I wonder what the new "attack Rove" spin will be.

Monica Lewinsky.

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Originally Posted by SacTown Chronic

Monica Lewinsky.

Not to be mean, but is there a woman alive who would Lewinsky Rove? He is a tad.....scary looking.

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Originally Posted by LSPoorEeyorick

Imagine what the man could do if he were to use his powers for good.

Our definition of good or his definition?

Now, to unravel some spin... :)

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Novak told Rove the name "Valerie Plame". Novak was the one who initiated contact.

I'm having a hard time believing that Rove did not know the name Valerie Plame prior to Novak mentioning it. Even though he has a past history of this kind of stuff, that of which got him fired from Bush Seniors campaign in 92. And, even though her husband had royally pissed off the administration recently (for telling the truth, no less). Nope, I'm sure Rove was totally in the dark.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

[Cooper (as discussed earlier) believed a lie of Wilson that Cheney recommended he go to Niger, when it was in fact his wife Plame, and was corrected on it. Cooper was the one who initiated contact.

From MediaMatters.com: Link

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Remarking on the controversy surrounding senior White House adviser Karl Rove, New York Times columnist and National Public Radio (NPR) commentator David Brooks echoed the false GOP talking point that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV claimed that Vice President Dick Cheney sent him to Niger.

In an effort to deflect criticism of Rove, the Republican National Committee (RNC) issued talking points claiming that Rove leaked the identity of Wilson's wife, undercover CIA operative Valerie Plame, in order to correct Wilson's false claim that Cheney's office had sent him to Niger. But the RNC supports this claim by distorting Wilson's July 2003 New York Times op-ed and his August 2003 appearance on CNN's Late Edition with Wolf Blitzer. In both instances, Wilson made it clear that his trip was authorized by officials at the CIA, not Cheney.

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Originally Posted by scaeagles

Wilson acknowledges that his wife wasn't undercover when the Novak article ran.

From MediaMatters.com: link

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AP falsely reported Wilson "acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job" when her identity was first publicly leaked »
In a July 15 article reporting new details in the ongoing criminal investigation into the leak of CIA officer Valerie Plame's identity, the AP distorted a remark by former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV to falsely report that Wilson "acknowledged his wife was no longer in an undercover job at the time Novak's column first identified her." In fact, Wilson merely emphasized that his wife’s cover was blown at the moment when columnist Robert D. Novak revealed her identity in a July 2003 column.

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Most of her friends and neighbors knew she worked for the CIA, so this was hardly any secret.

Working for the CIA and being known to be a covert op are two entirely different things. Here is an interesting perspective from someone who was a classmate of Valerie.

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Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

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Truth? I'm certain this will be the subject of debate forever....I'll go with the senate committee's unanimous report.

Senate Select Committee On Intelligence Unanimous Report: “Conclusion 13. The Report On The Former Ambassador’s Trip To Niger, Disseminated In March 2002, Did Not Change Any Analysts’ Assessments Of The Iraq-Niger Uranium Deal.” (Senate Select Committee On Intelligence, “Report On The U.S. Intelligence Community’s Prewar Assessments On Iraq,” 7/7/04)

And Wilson did assert it was the VP -
Joe Wilson: “[W]hat They Did, What The Office Of The Vice President Did, And, In Fact, I Believe Now From Mr. Libby’s Statement, It Was Probably The Vice President Himself ...” (CNN’s “Late Edition,” 8/3/03)

Regardless, nothing can change two facts - that Cooper and Novak initiated the conversations with Rove, not vice-versa. Hardly what one would expect if there was a plot to out Wilson's wife. And Cooper told Rove, as was evidenced in the email mentioned previously, that the VP sent Wilson on the trip. Rove corrected him.

This is about to die. It's over. Dead. Rove didn't do it. Now.....when will the NY Times allow their source, who has waived confidentiality with them, to be known? I wonder why they won't?