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Originally Posted by wendybeth (Post 230780)

As a moderate, I'm good with a candidate who's not too far right or left. So, Obama's moves aren't nearly as annoying as McCain's, who would be much better off if he stuck to his earlier, more central stance.

Such as????

I'm not her, but immigration reform, for one off the top of my head.

Waterboarding

Wiretapping

Talking to "enemy" countries

Abortion

Here's a nice list, though there are plenty more. "mccain flip flop" came up as a common search.

I get 1660000 entries on google for McCain and "flip-flop", and I get 1620000 for Obama and "flip-flop". Pretty close.

And Obama just voted to renew FISA, didn't he?

He has also come out recently against using "mental distress" as a health of the mother reason or late term abortions. I am not certin, so I definitely could be wrong, but isn't that a chnange of position for him?

Those are certinaly not the extent of his recent changes, I was just highlighting a couple of the issues you had brought up which Obama has had a change in recently as well.

You know that game show from the 60's where a panal has to decide which one of 3 people is really a (fill in some job here)?

I am thinking Obama could play that game just as well as McCain....will the real President Bush please stand up;)

http://jewishworldreview.com/0708/hanson071008.php3

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For all his prior talk of the loss of civil liberties, a President Obama, like a President Bush, would give telecommunication companies exemption from lawsuits over tapping private phone calls at government request.

And although Obama is still pro-choice, he now, like the president, thinks "mental distress" should not justify late-term abortion

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Obama is now a gun-rights advocate. Like Bush, he applauded the Supreme Court's overturning of a Washington, D.C., ordinance banning the possession of handguns.

The senator, also like Bush, supports the death penalty. He recently objected to the court's rejection of a state law that allowed for the execution of child rapists.

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In addition, the new Obama would like to continue — and even expand — Bush's controversial faith-based initiative program of involving churches in government anti-poverty programs.

Like Bush, he advocated expanding the military after the Clinton-era troop cuts. Obama once advocated lifting the embargo against Cuba — but no longer. Like Bush, he thinks that it is wise to leave it be.

I didn't see anyone saying Obama hasn't flopped. All they have said is that his flipping has flopped him closer to their positions on the whole while McCain's have waffled his way further away from their positions.

Which is why we are asking. No one has said it, I was just curious about certain things that I know many who are planning on voting for him may be upset about. For example, his voting for FISA doesn't move him closer to most of the posters here who plan on voting for him, right?

Politicians all have to do two things. Solidify their base, which Obama did in the primaries. McCain never did that. So now McCain has to solidify the base and move away from his centrist positions. They also have to position themselves as moderates, which McCain has always done, and now Obama must. They are both politicians first and foremost.

I waited a day for a major news source to pick this up. Looks like they're ignoring it, though the quip seems pretty important to me. I'm not waiting anymore.

Whaddaya think, minor gaffe, or worthy of raking over the coals?

So we can count on him to bring our troops home starting the day he is inaugurated, if he wins. Right?

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 232679)

While raking over the coals wouldn't bother me, I have a feeling that what he was trying to say was that we are somehow past the day when countries invaded other countries to amass territory and build empire.