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€uroMeinke 02-01-2012 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 356468)
Speakingof Lincoln... Wouldn't the president whose election led to a civil war be considered "The Most Polarizing President Ever"?
Obama still has a few months left of his first term...

scaeagles 02-01-2012 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 356468)
Speakingof Lincoln... Wouldn't the president whose election led to a civil war be considered "The Most Polarizing President Ever"?
Indeed. And yet he is widely regarded by many as one of, if not the best, President ever.

It would be interesting to see if the things he got away with then wouldfly today under any circumstances.

Alex 02-01-2012 01:52 PM
I think Millard Fillmore was probably the most polarizing president ever.

Mostly because he inspired the name of a political cartoon that you apparently either really love or really, really hate.

Moonliner 02-01-2012 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 356473)
Indeed. And yet he is widely regarded by many as one of, if not the best, President ever.

It would be interesting to see if the things he got away with then wouldfly today under any circumstances.
I guess it goes without saying that "greatness" is directly tied to being on the winning side

JWBear 02-01-2012 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 356476)
I guess it goes without saying that "greatness" is directly tied to being on the winning side
That, plus his assassination turned him into a martyr.

innerSpaceman 02-01-2012 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 356473)
It would be interesting to see if the things he got away with then wouldfly today under any circumstances.
Yeah, like suspending habeas corpus. That could NEVER happen today. :rolleyes:

scaeagles 02-02-2012 06:31 AM
I suppose I should have worded more carefully. Of course those things can and do happen today, but my "would fly" was meant to consider public opinion in regards to being the best President ever. Lincoln was regarded as one of the best....I am not among those that would consider Bush to be one of the best (if there are any at all).

It is interesting to think about how Lincoln would be perceived today and how his political motivations in many of his decisions would be spun in the modern day world of the press and politics.

Alex 02-02-2012 07:07 AM
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Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 356434)
Indeed. Good point on the first time claims, however my point wasn't meaning an increase in the number every month but that every time a report comes out there are a huge number of first time claim, meaning more and more people are losing their jobs.
Read something this morning that had this chart of the weekly first time claims number since 2007. Just thought I'd share to put the current numbers in context.

alphabassettgrrl 02-02-2012 11:54 AM
Alex, I like the look of that chart!

3894 02-02-2012 01:20 PM
"Celebrity business magnate Donald Trump endorsed Mitt Romney for president Thursday, telling reporters he will not mount an independent campaign if Romney is the Republican nominee."

Imagine the heaven of a bifurcation of the Republican vote between Newt and The Donald. Please, Lord, let it be so.


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