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Tramspotter 11-01-2006 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight
He still never said that all military people are idiots. He said that people who don't succeed in Bush's hand-designed "education" system are left with one path.


I realize that you are defending someone elses miss statement which on the face of it is not easy to do. But when taking down an argument using strictist set of greek rules of logical absolutes what is wrong with your version of what Cary "actualy ment to say?" :cool:

MouseWife 11-01-2006 09:00 PM

Kind of ironic, this topic of 'No Child Left Behind'.

Today I received a mailing from the school district.

It says "...the local education agency receiving money, under federal law, to provide military recruiters with access to student's names, addresses, and telephone number."

It also states that 16 schools are designated "Title I" schools becasue they receive federal funding to improve the reading and/or math schores of their underperforming students.

Funny I received this because my sons' school isn't on the list but...

But, it claims that it requires districts to notify parents of all children in Title I schools that you have the right to request and receive timely information on the professional qualifications of your child's classroom teachers. And it goes on to list different things you can ask.

Okay. Why do they have to give the information to military recruiters? And the schools have to allow recruiters on the campus to meet with the children. If they don't they don't receive funding. Why these 'Title I' schools that are in need of funding for underperforming students are on the list to have their names given to recruiters?

We do have the option to send in a paper to refuse to allow our sons name be given. Even though he is in a different school I am still going to send it in to avoid any problems.

So. How does this fit in with the topic? Go at it.

scaeagles 11-01-2006 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight
Don't believe what is true?

To paraphrase, I don't believe that the members of the military are 1) dumber than the average citizen or 2) only in the military because they couldn't find a different job or 3) that they are less educated so that the military was their only option.

DisneyFan25863 11-01-2006 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MouseWife
Kind of ironic, this topic of 'No Child Left Behind'.


Funny thing is...they give the info to the military anyway. We have recruiters on campus all the time, and we are no where near Title I requirements.


Not to mention there is ROTC, which is basically a giant recruiting vehicle for the military.

Nephythys 11-01-2006 10:58 PM

I don't get it MBC- who are you to call any outrage "feigned"?

You seem willing to give Kerry a pass- and trust to his intent and not his words- which even he say were "botched" but you throw out the reaction as being feigned (and it is not simply on the right)-

It just seems to me that you are willing to give credence to the one who says what you agree with- and dismiss as disingenuous the one you do not.

wendybeth 11-01-2006 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Nephythys
It just seems to me that you are willing to give credence to the one who says what you agree with- and dismiss as disingenuous the one you do not.


Something we all do, including you.

innerSpaceman 11-01-2006 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman, posting in the wrong thread about Kerry ...
Oh, I think anybody is responsible for the words they say ... but how can anyone be responsible for other people's reactions or upset? Those reactions are completely up to the persons having them ... or do they have no free will while the speaker has complete free will? (don't answer that, Alex).


In a very real sense, I feel a speaker bears a certain responsiblity for how his or her words are taken ... in that if they are not taken they way the speaker meant, then the speaker has failed in some way. I think John Kerry failed in a big way. But even that failure does not make him, or anyone, responsible for reactions. He is only responsible for his words, not what others make of them.

If, based on reactions, a speaker judges to adjust his words, that is wisdom. If anyone claims a speaker responsible for the reactions to those words, that is folly.

So why is Neph talking about Kerry is the Random thread when there are two perfectly good specifically Kerry threads in progress?

wendybeth 11-01-2006 11:36 PM

Spreading the joy.

€uroMeinke 11-01-2006 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman
So why is Neph talking about Kerry is the Random thread when there are two perfectly good specifically Kerry threads in progress?

I believe it is a test of your moderating abilities

innerSpaceman 11-01-2006 11:38 PM

Nephy's entire presence here is a test of my moderating abilities.


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