For the record, Alex, I'm not a corgi.*
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*Then again, we've met so the joke only half works. If at all.

You're not as cute and fluffy as I'm imagined then.

Twice as cute, half as fluffy

Ok... What if there was a man who was preaching discrimination and hatred against black people. Several African-Americans state they suspect that he is, in fact, a light skined African-American himself who is "passing" and call him out on his hypocrisy. Are they then being racist?

Yes.

ETA: I'll amend that. Would I specifically apply the term "racist"? No. Nor would I (and I have not) apply the term "anti gay" or "homophobic" or "gay bashing" to calling Shirvell a closet case. But I still call it counterproductive and borderline offensive.

Alright, well agree to disagree then.


Perhaps it might be helpful to consider that all the gay people posting in this thread see it as perfectly appropriate to call Shirvell out as a self-loathing homo, while all the straight people do not.


I just know that if Welshmen felt a certain way about doings in Wales, and I, being from Los Angeles, saw it differently - - I might give some credence to the notion that the Welshman groks something I don't.

The big disconnect is that you seem to be saying that since you think he is gay, that he is gay. And therefore can be treated appropriately.

Which, from my point of view is nonsensical.

I'd have no problem with calling him out (though I wouldn't think it necessarily relevant) if we knew him to be gay. Just because you say he is does not, to me, mean he is. And therefore saying he should be branded a hypocrite does not strike me as fine regardless of how ok all the gay people are with it.

So if Shirvell comes out of the closet, can we hit him with our purses then?
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What is this "treated appropriately" stuff, Alex? How are you going to treat him differently if he is gay? To me, that's been the most disturbing statement in this thread - and now that you've made it (at least) twice, I'm going to ask what you mean by that.


If he's gay, then he's a hypocrite as well as a bigoted bully. That may change how we regard him, but is that all you mean by "treated appropriately?" Or do you intend that he receive stiffer punishment if he's also a hypocrite? Or a certain kind of stiffer punishment if he's gay? :p

Yes, though then I'll debate on whether being a gay gay-basher is necessarily hypocrisy (it isn't and it is always good to throw about a Samuel Johnson quote).