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SacTown Chronic 02-16-2006 09:46 AM

And Cheney's idea of 'declassify' is to secretly authorize double-secret leaks to the media. Riiiiiiight.

wendybeth 02-16-2006 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner
Hummm, it certainly looks like a duck, and sounds like a duck, I wonder...


....How long before Cheney shoots it in the face?

:D

Gemini Cricket 02-16-2006 10:25 AM

I bet Scalia is wiping his forehead right about now. *whew* 'That coulda been me.'
:D

Ghoulish Delight 02-16-2006 02:24 PM

Crap, how did I miss this one. A month ago, the DoJ released its justification for sidestepping FISA. Page one states, among other things that the PotUS has "inherent constitutional authority as Commander in Chief and sole organ for the Nation in foreign affairs."

Okay, pulling out the ol' Constitution to confirm this obviously accurate statement ('cause why would they, in the same sentence, mention the very document that proves them wrong").

Let's see, doing a search for mentions of the word "foreign". Alright, there's a reference in Article I, powers of Congress. Another for Congress. Surely the next mention...oh my, no mention of the President's sole powers in foreign affairs. As a matter of fact, any of the Presdient's powers that seem to have anything to do wtih foreign affairs must first go through Congress. Congress must decalre war before he may chiefly commander the troops. He must receive the "advice and concent" of the
senate to make treaties, and only after 2/3 of the Senate concurs. It's the senate that my make rules regarding "capture on land and water".

So what exactly did the DoJ mean by "sole organ"?

Ghoulish Delight 02-16-2006 02:39 PM

And further more...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11393473/

If FISA is going to be modified to "accommodate the NSA program", would that not imply that it does not currently "accommodate" it and that therefore the President was violating said law? I mean, do they think that this some sort of inverse "Ex Post Facto" thing where if they vote to change the law after they break it, then they retroactively are innocent?

Alex 02-16-2006 03:01 PM

Not necessarily. Just because a law makes something explicitly legal does not necessarily mean it was illegal before.

If a grey area in the law means you feel you can ride your bike in the street and then the city council passes a law saying explicitly that you can ride your bike in the street, does this mean you were breaking the law before?

Now, I don't agree that this is analogous to what has happened but I believe that the president and his people would claim it is.

scaeagles 02-18-2006 02:44 PM

I love morons like Alec Baldwin.

A quote from the last day or two:

"Cheney is a terrorist. He terrorizes our enemies abroad and innocent citizens here at home indiscriminately."

Whether you agree or disagree with him is not the point. The point is that I guess it is OK if you terrorize in a non-indiscriminate fashion. Like beating your wife, as Baldwin did repeatedly to Kim Bassinger. That's OK, I guess.

wendybeth 02-19-2006 12:42 AM

I hate it when actors dabble in politics.;)


(If it helps, I think he's a creep as well).

wendybeth 02-19-2006 12:47 AM

Can you believe that Cheney's shooting victim actually apologised for causing such a fuss for poor Dick? It must be some Texas version of the Helsinki Syndrome, or a whole lotta payola crossing palms.

(Of course, he could just be afraid that Cheney will try and finish the job....)

Motorboat Cruiser 02-19-2006 02:21 AM

"I'm sorry you shot me in the face"

yes, there is something wrong with that statement.


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