Before he provides the source, if indeed John Kerry did what scaeagles says he did, will you support whatever punishment you feel is appropriate for Bush against Kerry? Or will you find a way to justify what the guy you like did while condemning the guy you don't like/

This is a clip from an article in the NY Times. I have not linked to it because it is a subscription site.


I disagree with the premise of what you are saying for a wide variety of reasons. Should that be what happened, I would agree with you. I do not agree that this is what happened.

However, old news. I realize you are new to this on this board, JW, but it has been discussed here ad infinitum.

Should they actually exist then I'm sure they're included in the plans provided by the Department of Defense on how such a goal could be reached and presumably Sy Hersh just wasn't given that information with the rest.

Then again, should Charlie McGee really exist she could be very helpful in this situation as well.

agreed- it is totally ridiculous.

#1- she was not covert
#2- her and her husband are liars- confirmed by a senate report


I have never seen so many people want to believe the pure BS spewed by Wilson and Plame. The desire to "get Bush" outweighs any kind of rational thought about it. If the media says it, it must be true.....let's ignore anything else that contradicts it.

The Senate report contradicts much of what Wilson said-
Link

Starting on page 39.

(edited to add- what Leo said)

Not according to this:

and yet according to many sources she was not-that her name was common knowledge and so was what she did. She was also working a desk job-

It's all a boondoggle- but one thing I know for damn sure. Joe Wilson is a liar. A proven liar. And a liar with a purpose- and that purpose is to undermine a sitting President- and Joe Wilson makes me sick. Add their publicity whoring tendencies (photo spreads???) seems to put a lie to this whole "it destroyed her life" BS.

Yes, absolutely – if he had done what Bush did.

According to the info Scaeagle posted, it was a totally different situation. Kerry (and a Republican Senator... Scaeagle conveniently left him off of his original post) didn’t “out” him. He had been outed as a CIA operative 2 years earlier. And, they didn’t do so in an attempt to punish a family member of his. It wasn’t done maliciously for political and personal gain. A big difference, in my book.

Yawn....if my motivation was partisan, I could have very easily clipped his name out of the NY Times clip. I am no fan of Richard Lugar.

We can argue about who was covert, who did what was worse (even with the CIA specifically requesting he not be named), blah blah blah. All I know is that with all these "revelations" about leaks, etc, Fitzgerald hasn't found squat except to say that Libby was withholding and/or misrepresenting information, and even some of that has had to be revised by Fitzgerald.

Fitzgerald corrects part of court filing

Yawn.

:snap: can't mojo you- gotta give it a snap!

LOL- I love how Republican seems to automatically mean something to people- there are some Pubbies I will gladly give to the other side, TYVM. An I'll take a couple of their Dems in exchange.

So... Anyone who disagrees with the president, and who dares to tell the truth, is a "liar" and is trying "to undermine a sitting President". Huh. Ok.

And of course... No Republican would try and undermine a sitting president. No. Never. Not unless he was a Democrat!