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Moonliner 09-11-2006 12:31 PM

I'm not sure I follow you on this post.

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Originally Posted by wendybeth
F9/11 was released nationwide in theaters, giving people the option to see it or not.

How did the fact that "path" was on ABC effect my option to watch it or not? I still choose not to watch it as apparently the overwhelming percentage of Americans did also.

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Originally Posted by wendybeth
Fahrenheit 9/11 is a documentary. The crap they showed last night is not.

How is the format (documentary, docudrama, drama, whatever) important? Each film either made up facts or it did not. Did Fahrenheit 9/11 create it's own facts like path did? My understanding is that Mr. Moore went out of his way to embarrass the president and certainly took some things out of context but overall what was shown was factual. Is that right?


Oh and on a side note, I read yesteraday that scholatic has dropped it's support for the show.

wendybeth 09-11-2006 01:30 PM

I believe you are correct in your assessment of F9/11, in general. The differences involved are many and myriad, but I suppose the most glaring problems with the ABC show is that they initially indicated that the show was based on the commission report, all the while knowingly altering events and facts under the guise of 'dramatising' some arguably already very dramatic events. They maligned persons living and dead to support a not-so-very veiled agenda, which (despite the commission's Chair Governor Kean's (Rep) asssertions that they also went after Bush where warranted) pretty much slagged everyone in the Clinton admin. They committed outright falsehoods that were withdrawn only after it became public knowledge and the persons who were defamed threatened action. I could go on and on, but it's really a moot point- thankfully, people saw this for what it was and refused to watch this particular peice of propaganda. (Say that three times fast!)

It was presented on network tv, which does have to adhere to certain standards, and presented with minimal commercial backing which makes one wonder how, where and why the money for this event was obtained. It certainly was not an homage to the truth, and many of the principals involved (such as Harvey Keitel) are not real happy to have been involved with such a duplicitous project.

Comparing this to F 9/11 is apples and rocks. I suppose, since this was basically a paid political advertisement, then the equal time rule should come into play and perhaps Mr. Moore should get his film run as well by ABC.

Scrooge McSam 09-11-2006 01:48 PM

Disclaimer: The following movie is a dramatization that is drawn from a variety of sources including actual historic photos and other published materials. The movie is not a documentary. For dramatic and narrative purposes, the movie contains fictionalized scenes, composite and representative characters and dialogue, as well as time compression.

PS... The final edit of this production is incomplete, so any criticism is premature and irresponsible.

wendybeth 09-11-2006 02:09 PM

So far, the edits are not that substantial and poorly done:Skipping the Path

Alex 09-11-2006 02:33 PM

So it seems the world continues to spin on the expected axis.

Everybody formed opinions before they had seen the movie, defended those opinions with the statements of paraphrased support/criticisms of interested parties, some of whom had but most of whom had not seen the movie, decided not to actually watch the movie, and now feel that their initial opinions have been validated by what was shown but not actually experienced.

NirvanaMan 09-11-2006 03:37 PM

I tried to watch it, but got a dubious "recording error" on my DVR when I returned home, In 'n Out burger in hand. I am quite sure that "the Commodore" snuck in and secretly fed cheerios to my DVR to keep it from recording that show and that show alone. Crap!

wendybeth 09-11-2006 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by NirvanaMan
I tried to watch it, but got a dubious "recording error" on my DVR when I returned home, In 'n Out burger in hand. I am quite sure that "the Commodore" snuck in and secretly fed cheerios to my DVR to keep it from recording that show and that show alone. Crap!

Are you sure it wasn't 'Thin Krisps'?

Scrooge McSam 09-11-2006 04:12 PM

I watched it. Had to go through some changes to make sure Tivo didn't know it though. I have to be a "some of whom".

Cadaverous Pallor 09-11-2006 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup
So it seems the world continues to spin on the expected axis.

Everybody formed opinions before they had seen the movie, defended those opinions with the statements of paraphrased support/criticisms of interested parties, some of whom had but most of whom had not seen the movie, decided not to actually watch the movie, and now feel that their initial opinions have been validated by what was shown but not actually experienced.

Visible mojo for Alex.

NirvanaMan 09-11-2006 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wendybeth
Are you sure it wasn't 'Thin Krisps'?

Ah yes, I should have known from that delisciously intoxicating fragrence.


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