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Alex 07-22-2007 12:38 PM

My understanding at the time is that that the cat that went through the cat door was going to warn Umbridge and that is how she caught them in her office. Is that correct?

Also, rereading my post above I see that "Well, it didn't suck like the last three sucked" suggests I thought it sucked, just differently from the last three. I meant, the last three sucked (in my entirely subjective opinion; I'm just going to say this every time I comment on a movie), this one didn't.

I don't think it was great, but it was good and I was entertained. If all five had been of this quality I'd have few complaints.

Not Afraid 07-22-2007 12:49 PM

I saw the ending of Goblet of Fire on HBO tis morning. I don't recall ever seeing it - or I just don't remember.

I think I ned to watch them all before I proceed any further.

Prudence 07-22-2007 08:10 PM

Wasn't the sugar for her tea pink?

Jazzman 07-22-2007 11:55 PM

Well, we made it to the theater tonight and finally saw it, so here is my official review of:

Harry Potter And The Completely Blown Opportunity Of What Could Have Been An Amazing Movie But Ended Up As A Poorly Adapted Butchering Of A Great Story That Now Has Little Resemblance To The Source Material.

(Did that give away too much?)

Yeah, it was crap. Crap crappity crappy crap crap. But before I dive into why, I’ll go ahead and list what I liked about it.


- Fantastic sets, costumes and cinematography. As with each film so far they did an amazing job of immersing the audience into this wondrous world. Every time I see Hogwarts on the screen I feel like I could stand up and walk around the halls. Very exciting.

- With the exception of Gambon’s performance, every character was once again brought to life as if they had leapt from my own imagining of them. Umbridge was absolutely perfect; evil, conniving and totally Mother-in-Law like. Grawp was done even better than I had imagined, and the thestrals were eerily beautiful. More than anyone, though, I loved Sirius. Oldman is such a master, and he portrayed Sirius so perfectly that my heart broke watching his scenes with Harry, knowing what was to come. Really well done.

- … … Ummm, that’s about it.

Now, on to why it sucked the big one.

- An amazing story, chopped down so much that it barely deserves to be called “Order of the Phoenix.” (Actually, not even barely. It has almost nothing to do at all with Order of the Phoenix. They should have just given it a new title.) Seriously, I felt like I was watching it in fast forward. I blinked and suddenly, “Oh, here we are at the Department of Mysteries!” S.T.U.P.I.D. Now, I know the argument. “Oh, it had to be cut down to a manageable length! We don’t want a three hour movie! There’s just sooooooo much to cover!” Well, wah. To the whiners who complained about the previous films running long, I say: Stuff it. These films aren’t for you. These are stories that are loved by those of us who have read and enjoyed them. If you don’t like long movies and don’t want the real story, go watch TV. Leave us our Potter. Besides, every other movie is three hours long anymore. With so much important material to cover, this should have been too.

- Following in that vein, there were simply some scenes which the loss of is simply tragic. The hospital scene with Neville’s parents is one of them. That scene did so much to further the story, not only for Neville, but for the whole plotline. It brought home what the situation was, what the stakes were, and what the losses would be, and made them all realities for the characters. Having Neville mention it as a “by the way” in the Room of Requirement was lame.

- Dumbledore. Michael Gambon should be soaked in bacon grease, rolled in jerky, and thrown into a pit full of rabid, starving Chihuahuas. He is so painfully awful as Dumbledore that he made me want to stab my own eyes out. Dumbledore is strong, wise and understated. Gambon is just a cranky, stinky old fool. I cannot understand how Rowling can stomach seeing her character be so horribly defiled. He is truly so pathetic that I find myself eagerly awaiting the climax of Half Blood Prince. What a stinker.

- It goes along with the loss of story, but I have to mention the complete lack of character development, or even characters at all for that matter. Everything was so overly rushed that these great characters whom we’ve all grown to love just popped in and out like it was some sort of shooting gallery. It felt like, “Look, Mad Eye! Missed him. Oh, there goes Lupin… Nope. Hey, the twins! That was cool. Hey, Mr. Weasley! Hope we see him again.” What a waste.

- And last, because I have to stop somewhere, I have to mention the Voldemort-Dumbledore Rumble in the Tunnel. Now, I have been looking forward to and anticipating this very scene since I first read it however many years ago now. It was so exciting and chilling that I knew that, since the movies (until now) were being done so well, it would look amazing on film. But of course, it actually sucked. Oohhh, some fire and water and a bunch of broken glass. Oohhhh, that was brilliant film making right there. Oh, and a slow-mo sand storm. Wow... I am stunned by your cinematic wizardry… Come on! Where are the living statues? What the F? I wanted the centaur running around, the wizard shielding Harry. That was cool stuff! But this? Crapola.



In the end, this film leaves me dreading the next two. Hopefully they’ll hire a Director for them instead of dropping by the local meat counter and signing up whatever hack butcher is on that day. It’s been a good run so far, but alas, just as with the Pirates franchise, it had to die sometime I guess. I had really hoped, and believed even, that the films would continue to be as well done as the first few, but I guess that was wishful thinking. At least I have Deathly Hallows to soothe the pain though. Hollywood hacks can’t touch that. Yet.

Nephythys 07-23-2007 05:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 151706)
One question, when they flew the thestrals from Hogwarts to London does that mean everybody but Harry and Luna were flying on things they couldn't see?


Yes. It's quite funny in the book.

...and Jazzman, Yates is directing HBP.

innerSpaceman 07-23-2007 10:58 AM

Before I even continue with Jazzman's scathing review, I must point out that the movies are hardly just for the people who read the books. That's an elitist and, furthermore, completely untrue assertion.

Even with a book series as popular as Potter, billions more see the movies than read the books.

Deal with that, because it's the plain truth of ANY movie made of ANY book.

innerSpaceman 07-23-2007 11:05 AM

And I'm at the point where I wish all these whiney Potter novel fans would simply enjoy their precious books, and leave the movies to us who either don't read the books or don't believe the movies must slavishly parrot the books.


How completely boring it would be to simply see a visual representation of exactly what was on the printed page.

YAWN!

Nephythys 07-23-2007 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 151981)
And I'm at the point where I wish all these whiney Potter novel fans would simply enjoy their precious books, and leave the movies to us who either don't read the books or don't believe the movies must slavishly parrot the books.


How completely boring it would be to simply see a visual representation of exactly what was on the printed page.

YAWN!

Yes, I agree. In fact if they stuck to the printed page of many of these books it would make a lousy movie.

wendybeth 07-23-2007 11:35 AM

You know, we watched the first Harry Potter last night and it was kind of interesting to do so, having read the final book of the series. One thing that struck me was- much as I loved Richard Harris- how good Michael Gambon is in the part of Dumbledore. I really did not like him at all in the third film, largely because his portrayal of Dumbledore seemed a bit too energetic- I had grown used to the more gentle, soft-spoken Harris. Now that we've been allowed a better look into the character of Dumbledore, I really think Michael Gambon is doing a fine job.

innerSpaceman 07-23-2007 01:38 PM

I hated Harris as Dumbledore. He looked like he could be knocked down with a feather ... as indeed turned out to be the case.


Gambon is EXACTLY as I pictured Dumbledore. And my picture is no more authoritative than anyone else's. I'm just pointing out that just because someone didn't picture Dumbledore (or any character) the way the actor plays it does not mean the actor is not playing Dumbledore (or any character) "correctly."



The first two books were quite a bit briefer than those that followed. The first two movies parroted the books precisely and, in my opinion, were dulled by that choice.


In any case, it's no longer possible to include the entire contents of any Potter book in any Potter movie designed to a) maximize revenue through a decent number of daily showtimes and b) not put people to sleep.


I'm not finished with my re-reading of OotP yet, but so far I think the movie is a brilliant adaptation of the book that wisely dropped everything not related to the main plot of Harry & Friends vs. Umbridge.

I think reducing Neville's parents from a 10-minute film sequence to a 20-second mention is precisely the proper choice for a film.

The failed romance with Cho and the over-long Christmas Holiday recuperation of Arthur Weasley were wisely disposed of, I believe. Three-quarters done with the book (I had to pause to read the new book), and I've almost forgotten who Umbridge is, as there's been so much more thrown in with no mention of her for nearly a hundred pages.

I'm not saying it doesn't work for the book, but that its an obvious choice for the movie adaptation to streamline the plot and keep the D.A. vs. Dolores the main thrust of the story.


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