And of course, villians in both films decide the life-or-death fate of victims by coin toss. ;)



mousepod, I don't hate the Gotham of Batman Begins. I just found the more realistic setting and more realistic actions (on the surface*) of the villain a refreshing change for a series that's supposed to be the "gritty" version of Batman. I enjoyed the slightly fantastic Gotham of Batman Begins, but I prefer Burton's fantasy Gotham to that. They're all good, though. And I just like it when a sequel takes on a different tone, rather than simply trying to replicate.







* I liked that Joker didn't have henchmen this time around ... but how did he manage to plant all those bombs everywhere all by himself?

Oh yeah, forgot about that. It's not even realistic vs. fantastic to me, but the fact that it was so blatantly recognizable as Chicago bugged me. It brings to mind the complaints about Transformers using recognizable LA locations. Seeing the river and the Board of Trade building really made it hard for me to think of it as Gotham.

Even when other incarnations have been blatant about Gotham=New York, they've never actually used NY landmarks.

He did have henchmen.

The guys who brought in his "body" -
He told the guys he had room in his "organization"
All the clowns that he kept using

He had loads of henchmen. Disposable- but plenty.

Dur. I can't believe that once I thought of No Country I didn't immediately think of that.

Freddy vs. Jason
Alien vs. Predator
Cigurgh vs. Joker

Another reason why I enjoyed Ledger's performance was that it was a major leap from Ennis Del Mar. Two totally different people.
(Yes, both had the hots for a Gyllenhaal but that's about it.)
I like it when actors can pull that off. Johnny Depp is another one who can do that successfully.

Maybe I wasn't paying attention or something but how did the Joker get another knife to escape from the interrogation room? Was it his From Russia with Love shoe knife?

I think it was a shard of glass from a broken window. Could see them on the ledge behind him when he was cuffed and sitting on the ground.

Got it. That bit of editing was weird. Suddenly he and the cop are out of the cell and in the next room.

The editing in the film sucked.


Did anyone know what was going on in the fight scene with all the copy-cat Batmen? WTF?

The other fight scenes were no better, but at least didn't have 8 men in Batsuits.



I've mentioned it before, but cutting away to the next day while the Joker still has hostages in a ballroom with his intended murder victim simply hiding in a closet was a retarded editorial choice.

Actually, I thought it was a great piece of foreshadowing. I saw the shards of glass there and knew he would be using them to get away.

However, I agree with ISM regarding ballroom hostage situation.

That scene I followed. The scene with sonar-vision I had no clue what was going on and could barely make out what Freeman's character was saying through it.