Well; marriage is the prime cause of divorce. Did you know that every single divorce was preceded by marriage?

Shocking!

I think part of the opposition is homophobic, but I also think part of it stems from the usual Joe Sixpack insecurity that liberals/gays think that they will somehow have better, hipper marriages than straights. Therefore, the anti-8 groups should run ads featuring gay couples arguing about money, fighting in front of the children, beating on each other and so on.

I had a discussion about 8 with my teenage daughter yesterday. You know -we've talked a lot about the presedentail candidates but not the prop's. She was saying she would vote yes which rather alarmed me - so we discussed why I was voting no. She kept saying - didn't know that - really - that's not fair.

I hope that if the subject comes up with her friends, she can voice these facts. They are freshmen but will be ready or nearly ready to vote in the next election for president in 4 years. And who knows, maybe if she does mention something to her friends, they might ask their parents about it.

Then I think - ha! Like that will ever happen. Teenagers standing up against their friends for a cause that doesn't directly affect them at their very moment in time and that those teens would then go and (gasp) talk to their parents. Dream on.

But at least we were able to discuss it.

Nonsense, teens LOVE to take on a cause they understand little about :) especially when influenced by a charismatic peer who convinces them that their rights are at stake.

Of course, if one disagreed with the influencing party, then that influencer would be viewed as a brainwashing monster.

See here's the thing.

If 8 passes it's going to court.
If 8 fails it's going to end up back on the ballot.

This election isn't the end all of the issue.

GC~ Sadly I think people believe following whatever their church says will get them into heaven.

The teen issue~ my son 'debated' with his close friends the last election; over abortion, the war, religion, you name it. He stood up for his beliefs, ones that I haven't brainwashed him with, I would say he has more enlightened me than I him.

But, it was difficult. It really did cause a rift {like how I feel now, probably, but now it is on a larger amount of people} with these people, some he's known since he was 4 years old.

I hope that your daughter can stand up and voice her opinion but I would still {{{hug}}} her for opening up her mind and her heart. Unfortunately, a lot of kids parents are worried about telling their kids that it is okay to be different and that is what she gets stuck with.

Madz is 12 and in her enlightened, informed opinion Prop 8 is Stupid. When the first No on 8 ad came out, the wedding one, we were watching TV and she said she didn't get it. So I explained that it was trying to say what if people you loved had all these obsticales in their way and couldn't marry who they wanted to. She kind of got that then I told her it was for gay marriage. To be honest I don't think it had occured to her that you couldn't get married if you were gay. So I explained what if GC or Isaac or ISM found someone they loved but they're not allowed to get married because they're gay. "Well that's just stupid". So now when any Prop 8 ads come on her comment is "it's Stupid that they can't get married".

I think what you did, katiesue, putting a face to the issue, is key.

Unfortunately, I think people pretend they don't see things.

My aunt told us she and her son were debating the issue and she told him that you had to support the 'no'. She said that back when she was a child in grade school, {oh, I'd the '50s? not sure what part}, the principal came to their house and told their father if the kids spoke Spanish in class they would be sent home. So, she said, don't let that happen. Don't give anyone control over your life.