While your issues are not shallow, BTD, I was wondering how Tenigma knows that he is going to encourage a lot of discussion from all sides.

And just to add, you don't have the right to do with your body what you want. The list is lengthy of the can'ts, including prostitution, various drugs, selling your kidney, not wearing a helmet while on bicycle in various communities, not wearing a seatbelt in a car, whatever.

McCain Spokeswoman says skit is sexist

Link You have to scroll down a bit.

If I choose to, I can be a prostitute, do drugs, sell organs, not wear a helmet or a seatbelt. I may have to pay a fine or do jail time, but I can do those. TYVM.

If you think animal abuse is wrong, don't abuse one.
If you think stealing is wrong, don't steal.
If you think infanticide is wrong, don't vote for Obama.

Did Obama change his position on same-sex marriage recently?


So forcing me, at the point of a gun, to work several months each year to support programs that I neither use or think necessary isn't oppressive?

I say anyone who thinks Obama represents less oppression than McCain is ...no, I won't say it.....I am better than that, much, much, better than that:cheers:

Do you realize how ridiculous you sound with those examples? Those effect others. What I choose do to with my body effects me. You have no right to tell me what to do with my body.

I think I need to walk away before I say something I may or may not regret later. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

How does abusing an animal "effect others"?

((Yes, this is a trap))

And just for the record, I can't support any of those restrictions on what you do with your body. From your list, that's prostitution and drugs, both of which I think should be completely legalized (though likeky with some sort of regulation). Now that I think about it ... selling your kidney should be legal, as should suicide.

Helmet and seatbelt laws do NOT govern what you can do with your body, but rather what you can do with a vehicle.


Furthermore, the premise of your statement is completely wrong. These are not things we don't have the right to do. These are things that are currently illegal.

I have a right to marry the man I love in California, but if I travel to Idaho I lose that right??? Um, no. The right may not be recognized, but it exists nonetheless. The rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness were not brought into existence by the Declaration of Independence; they were just brought to the world's attention.

fixed.

Thank you.....I don't entirely disagree with your changes:)

And yes, sleepyjeff, I call shenanigans on the list of purported rights that do harm to other living things. No one is arguing for such rights, but rather for the right to conduct ourselves and ourselves only (perhaps in concert with those whose informed consent we gain, but in no event against another's will).


Pure and total shenanigans.



Try again.