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Gemini Cricket 10-22-2008 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by katiesue (Post 247751)
So now when any Prop 8 ads come on her comment is "it's Stupid that they can't get married".

Madz is so very awesome. And so is Mom!
:)

Morrigoon 10-22-2008 12:06 PM

Well, doing a prop 8 search on twitter is encouraging, but we all know that only taking a sample from the wired world is not representative.

Ghoulish Delight 10-22-2008 04:41 PM

Awesome. Just got handed a letter from an openly gay coworker asking to vote against 8 (in which I learned he was married in '04 in SF to his partner). I of course told him I already was. It was in an envelope with my name on it, so I assume he's only handing them to people whom he has a working relationship with and is not blanketing the company, but good for him for doing something!


ETA: Heh, also learned that he was a practicing devout Mormon for 30 years.

Prudence 10-22-2008 07:40 PM

I object to the idea of amending any constitution to limit standard rights for particular groups of people. Generally constitutional changes are reserved for specifically enumerating rights.

innerSpaceman 10-22-2008 08:25 PM

Which will, in fact, be the basis of the lawsuit filed if Prop H8 passes. There's some sort of precedent which holds the Constitution cannot be amended by ballot initiatives for the purpose of taking away Constutitional rights ... or some such thing.

scaeagles 10-22-2008 08:31 PM

The problem, as I see it, is (and I'm assuming that it would be the same as the federal Constitution) that there is no limitation to what can be an amendment. I would guess that if enough people voted for it, one could amend the constitution declaring that chickens have voting rights and the owners have the power to vote on behalf of their chickens (thereby reducing the voting power of non-chicken owners).

BarTopDancer 10-22-2008 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BarTopDancer (Post 247577)
A little more info on my Twitter post -

There were 7 or 8 if not more No on 8 signs along the path I took home from the freeway. This path was basically off the 133 down to just before Sand Canyon. Not a super busy road. Last week I noticed a bunch of No on 8 signs placed along the path. Yesterday I noticed a few of the No on 8 signs missing. Didn't think anything of it, as I could have just overlooked them. Today I am certain they have all been removed. Other political signs are up, just the No on 8 signs have been removed. There are no Yes on 8 signs up (there weren't before either).

The signs have been replaced and re-done. They now say "this sign has been torn down [number] times. Stop the hate. No on 8. With a print out of the Irvine municipal code that it is illegal to remove political signs.

innerSpaceman 10-22-2008 08:43 PM

scaeagles, there's a limit on what can be amended BY BALLOT MEASURE to the California Constitution. I've seen the case law on it.

That's not to say there isn't any conflicting case law. But there will be a lawsuit on that basis if the measure passes.

BarTopDancer 10-22-2008 09:01 PM

From what I understand, amendments cannot be made based upon vote. Only the legislation can make them.

Kevy Baby 10-22-2008 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman (Post 247953)
There's some sort of precedent which holds the Constitution cannot be amended by ballot initiatives for the purpose of taking away Constitutional rights ... or some such thing.

Now THERE'S a solid legal argument if I have ever heard one!

:)


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