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Alex 04-07-2009 07:59 AM

If you want a measure of a pitcher that includes pitching and fielding then I think Win Shares is what you're after (and in the NL this would also include batting).

ERA isn't a particularly useful number when you get down to brass tacks but like Tom I view it not as a complete measure of the pitcher but rather just of pitching.

Ghoulish Delight 04-07-2009 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom (Post 277493)
In the NL, at least, a pitcher's batting affects there ability to win games as well. Should that be factored into ERA?

No, because I think ERA should be about how many runs the other team is likely to score with that pitcher pitching. And to my mind, that includes errors he's responsible for.

Kevy Baby 04-09-2009 09:30 AM

Holy Crap
 
Nick Adenhart, Angels pitcher, killed in Fullerton crash
Quote:

Angels' pitcher Nick Adenhart was among the three killed in a crash in Fullerton when a driver ran a red light, an associate of the rookie player said this morning. The crash occurred only hours after the 22-year-old appeared in Wednesday night's Angels game.
How bizarre and tragic. He was the starting pitcher and left the game with his team winning. I drove near the crash site this morning after a blood test (was detoured around it).

Wow

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SacTown Chronic 04-09-2009 09:41 AM

Sucks.

Ghoulish Delight 04-09-2009 10:17 AM

That's 2 Angels-related deaths already this season.

Kevy Baby 04-09-2009 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight (Post 278021)
That's 2 Angels-related deaths already this season.

Angel's Baseball 2009: It's to Die For™

Kevy Baby 04-09-2009 02:52 PM

The Angels have canceled tonight's game in honor of Nick Adenhart

Link

Ghoulish Delight 04-13-2009 09:16 AM

OMG, a Dodger pitcher made it through 7 innings! It's an Easter miracle!

It took me a while to wrap my head around that fourth-out run rule, but I think I've managed to make sense out of it.

Moonliner 04-13-2009 09:25 AM

Consistency that's the key and no one does consistency like the Nationals.

Six straight games. Same consistent result.

You go guys.

Alex 04-13-2009 09:38 AM

Enjoyed the four-out situation. I'm currently reading As They See 'Em and the exploration of umpiring minutiae is interesting (and I'm feeling pretty bad for umpires in general).

It was news to me that there is a situation where the umpire is required to give the manager an option between which outcome they'd prefer.


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