Yesterday, I thought that the joint statement was half-joint, half-Obama.

Actually that's not true. I'm an ardent Obama supporter but I do NOT support all of his stances on issues. I was rather aghast that he voted *for* FISA, for one. I'm grudgingly accepting a lot of his issues. I've traditionally been a single-issue voter (illegal immigration--a very typical conservative view and one that pits me completely in polar opposites with my otherwise libertarian conservative views--because as a legal immigrant I find line-cutters to be despicable and a personal affront to me). I not only voted for Bush in 2000, I voted for Tom Tancredo for 2004 (there you have it, I never said this publically before)--yeah he was not on the ballot. I was so pissed I wrote his name in.

So as you can imagine, I'm not particularly keen on Obama's views on immigration. Well, I'm not humongously supportive of McCain's, either.

Here's the thing. The reason I'm a supporter of Obama is because he is the right man for the right time. The depth and breadth of how much the Bush administration has ruined things in our country is almost unfathomable.

You know when I voted for Bush in 2000, it was because I didn't want to vote for Gore because to me Gore was Clinton 2.0 and I hated that Clinton didn't respect the office enough to keep his pants zipped there. And my thinking was, "Well, we need a change. How much harm can one person do?" Boy was I wrong.

I don't want a card-carrying AARP/qualify for Social Security/frail from torturous injuries senior citizen in the White House, with a barracuda teeth-bearing "young Earth man-walked-with-the-dinosaurs" Christianist fundie rubbing her hands in anticipation on the side. What a joke.

How in the WORLD can such an administration try to right the keel on our broken ship? Do people even KNOW how ridiculed we are around the world? This blind nationalism is KILLING US.

Ridicule amongst the rest of the world....I hardly care. Most of the rest of the world is run by dictators and would be considered second or thrid world. Even in our rough times, we have an unemployment rate that European nations would love. I get that you don't like it....I just don't care if the rest of the world ridicules us.

Tenigma, I don't mean no policy wrong for the Obama cultists. It is an image of the man as almost infallable and above the political fray. He plays politics same as every other politician, has his hands dirty some as every other politician, takes the money from special interests same as every other politician.....but for some reason he isn't like every other politician.

I get that people are excited about him and not about McCain. I'm voting for McCain, but I go from "because I have to" to "I believe in him" and every where in between almost daily.

I just don't think that there is a realistic view of Obama out there.

Well put.

There are other conservatives on this board besides the two of us.....they just don't seem to like the punishment as much as we do(I really want to put a smiley here, but I won't).

I don't think there can be any scaeagles approved view of Obama as long as anything positive is said about him in that view...


I agree with Tenigma's pov. I don't agree with Obama on everything. His anti-gay marriage stance for instance. But he does have a caveat to his stance, that gays should have the same rights as a opposite sex couple. In McCainland, gays would be invisible. So, I choose to get into the rowboat with fewer holes in it.

I think there is certainly a realistic view of Obama out there, and the fact that some of his supporters are starry-eyed (I think you overstate how many) doesn't mean that there isn't anyone who sees him realistically.

I see Obama as certainly a politician, and generally a pretty good one. He isn't an angel, as politics is a dirty business and you don't succeed at it without getting a bit of dirt on you. I don't expect that he will change the way Washington works in any significant way, but I support him because I agree with him on the majority of issues and think that he has essentially the right idea about where to lead the country. And I don't think I am an anomaly among Obama supporters, whatever you might think.

It is an image of the man as almost infallable and above the political fray. He plays politics same as every other politician, has his hands dirty some as every other politician, takes the money from special interests same as every other politician.....but for some reason he isn't like every other politician

P.S. Avoid the Sarah Brightman version.

Mccain still doubtful to attend debate
 

Of course, things can change in a nanosecond, but am I the only one who thinks McCain is just being pigheaded and stupid? The venue confirms the debate is still on, Obama will be there, how will McCain fare by not showing up? I don't get what he is trying to accomplish here, is he going to use this ploy to demonstrate his ability to lead? Correct me if I am wrong, isn't he a bystander?

McCain campaign won't commit to debate on Friday

By LIZ SIDOTI, Associated Press Writer
Full Story, such as it is this moment, here.

In other news:

Palin defends Alaska-Russia foreign policy remark
By AMY WESTFELDT, Associated Press Writer
Linkie here

Frankly, I think the worlds travelers of LoT have much more foreign experience than Palin and put my faith in their collective judgement and ability to lead in a very swanky style, thank you. ;)

I can't even get past the first line in your post without commenting. What kind of rarified geopolitical air are you breathing, scaeagles, when you assume by "rest of the world," she meant the purported leaders of the governments of the rest of the world?


Why not assume she meant the REST OF THE WORLD, i.e., the other 5 billion people????


If those 5 billion people don't matter to you, will you kindly get the fvck off our planet!!!

A trade "mission"? Really?