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RIP 2010
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Joe Biden's mom.
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Casey Johnson
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I shall wear my Blockhead shirt today in tribute.
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Rory Markas - the Play-By-Play man for the Angels
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You have a blockhead shirt? That's awesome.
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Eric Rohmer. The most important (to me) of the French New Wave.
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Jack - our big orange boy - to congestive heart failure
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So sorry, C&L. I loved Jack.
In other RIP news, my grandfather. |
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Condolances to all. Here's hoping this thread is not required for the rest of the year. :(
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Sitting on the front porch at the corner of Eucalyptus and 23rd, an inquisitive pumpkin-orange cat eyed me with suspicion. He knew he wanted to be in the house, but wasn't so sure about the weirdo hanging out outside. But the prospect of winning his way into the promised land was too tempting and figured if the Keepers of the Cats trusted me, I couldn't be all bad.
Jack (then Pumpkin) and I had some good evenings on that porch before he officially became one of the pack. Goodbye sweet Jack, Pumpkin King. :( :( |
Heidi, I'm sorry about your grandpa, and I'm so sorry about your kitty boy, Lisa and Chris. This is a :(day, indeed.
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*hugs* LSPE, €, & NA. |
Twitter is sorry to hear his partner in crime has passed on, he'll be missed.
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Coney Island strong man Joe Rollino died yesterday. I read about him in a book once (on sideshows) and had no reason to know he was still alive.
Making it all the way to 104 and then being taken out by a car while crossing the street. God must have gotten impatient waiting for nature to take its course. |
Sadness and condolences. I gave my kitties an extra hug last night.
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No idea who he is but CNN breaking news did a tweet about it. So he must be somebody.
Teddy Pendergrass |
Musician
Pendergrass's career began when he was a drummer for The Cadillacs, which soon merged with Harold Melvin & the Blue Notes. Melvin invited Pendergrass to become the lead singer after he jumped from the rear of a stage and started singing his heart out. Months later the group signed with Gamble & Huff on the then CBS subsidiary Philadelphia International Records in 1972. The Blue Notes had hits such as "I Miss You," "Bad Luck," "Wake Up Everybody," the two million seller "If You Don't Know Me By Now" and many more. Following personality conflicts between Melvin and Pendergrass, Pendergrass launched a solo career and released hit singles like "The More I Get the More I Want," "Close the Door," "I Don't Love You Anymore," "Turn Off the Lights" and others.[1] His first solo album was self titled Teddy Pendergrass (1977), followed by Life is a Song Worth Singing (1978), Live Coast to Coast and Teddy (1979), 1980's TP and the final Philadelphia International Records album It's Time for Love (1981).[1] He also sang a duet with Whitney Houston on "Hold Me", from her self-titled debut album. |
This is the first time I've opened this thread - I'm sorry I wasn't there to offer my condolences for those of you who have suffered personal losses already this year. I will say, I am very glad that we have this place to keep up with one another, and share in the good times and the sorrowful ones.
There's a new, very big orange star in the sky. |
StranglerLewis, you are absolutely right - it was wonderful to have Miep Gies as a living link to Anne Frank, and her parting makes that very important story recede just that much further into a past that we will have to work harder to make young people understand.
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NPR had a chat with Martha and Rufus tonight and it made me cry.
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Pernell Roberts
Jean Simmons (Not to be confused with the KISS guy.) Robert Mosbacher James Mitchell Nancy Kerrigan's Dad |
Casper, the bus riding cat and another report here. :-(
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And now Casper is a ghost.
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I am sad. I am a BIG Bonanza fan. Loved watching the shows like 4-ever! I dragged my family to The Ponderosa each time we went to Lake Tahoe until they closed it. :( Right outside of the ranch house there, they had a little graveyard {I believe if you stood to face it, you would overlook the lake...I have to find my pictures. That would be lovely, wouldn't it?} with each of the family members who'd passed. It's closed now so Adam never made it. And, James Mitchell. 'Palmer Cortlandt' 'Pete Cooney' on AMC. So sad, when you've watched a show as long as I have, a lot of the favs pass. Ruth Warrick, the actress who played Myrtle Fargate.... |
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The brother, sure, but what's wrong with Nancy?
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Go into the light! I wish she had been in more movies. She was delightful as Tangina. Gotta get out the Poltergeist DVD tonight. |
The Poltergeist curse strikes again! Now it's going after the octogenarians! Craig T. Nelson must be knocking at the knees right about now.
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Ugly Betty
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Zelda Rubenstein was also an AIDS activist in the 80s :)
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Every time I see the title of this thread, I think, "Did an entire year die? Already?"
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I wish 2010 would die already.
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Recently re-read "Nine Stories." I always liked Salinger except when he laid the Buddhism on too thick. I wonder if any scribblings will turn up.
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My heart just cracked. One of the best books of all-time: "Catcher in the Rye". |
Not a huge fan of Salinger (actively dislike Catcher) but "Seymour: An Introduction" is just about the most perfect piece of short(ish) writing I've ever encountered. And I love much about Franny and Zooey.
Two great pieces of writing and one hugely successful item is more than most people can expect from life so it was a great one. |
I missed the obit for Howard Zinn.
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John Murtha
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Bill Binder - former owner of Philippes
Phil Harris - captain of the Cornelia Marie on Deadliest Catch |
Ah, I see Kevy got here first. RIP Capt Phil. He had a blood clot hit his lungs last season, so apparently he had more. My cheese is sad today.
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A pretty cut and dried example of what smoking will do to you. Too bad he didn't quit.
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I must admit that sadness outpouring over Phil Harris is confusing me even more than normal. I'd say this out loud but I don't want GC to punch me in the nose.
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I think a lot of us that watched Deadliest Catch really liked him. He seemed like a good old salt of a captain and he was one of my favorites.
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I was sad when Phil Harris died.
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There's also the fact that his two sons are on the show, so viewers have not only the connection (as irrational as it might be) to him as a celebrity, but add to that a connection to his family and thus a window into that side of the grieving.
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Alex: Deadliest Catch does a really good job of showing their stars' personalities, so you feel like you get to know them. Plus, last season he had the blood clot hit his lungs, and the show took viewers through that with him, through the uncertainty, the diagnosis, his sons dealing with the possibility of their dad dying... so people are not just feeling bad about his death, but also the effect it's going to have had on his sons, who viewers also follow and care about. AND since this all happened during crab season, we're going to end up going through it again when the next season runs.
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It is confusing to me because either people are labeling as "sad" something that is, to me, not actually sadness or I do not understand how they manage which deaths will be saddening without being so perpetually in grief over the millions of stranger deaths and thousands of stranger-but-I-actually-was-aware-of-them deaths that one is unable to function. But everybody is free to feel whatever they feel. And I'm free to be confused by it. |
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You assume I'm not. While I'm hardly rabid, I have seen most of the series and am well aware of Phil Harris and his family. I'm not at all confused by finding his death noteworthy (though the more noteworthy thing is that he died in bed since his fame is based on being a show built around the fact that he was the most dangerous job in the world), just by finding it saddening. If I were saddened by his death then I would be sad all the time because people I know of are dying all the time. I would have been sad on Monday when John Murtha died. I would be sad now because Charlie Wilson (of the Tom Hanks movie fame) died today.
So again, others and I are actually having roughly the same reaction to these deaths and they label sad that which I wouldn't (in which case I am confused by our very different definitions of the word) or they actually do feel what I would call sadness but the threshold for that reaction is foreign to me, in which I am confused by how life isn't one unending string of grieving. But mostly, the only reason I said anything initially is because I thought it was a joke that GC would be amused by. |
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I'm reading this - or skimming it, really - because I don't know who this guy is or what this show is so it's all sort of blahblahblahblah to me......and then I get to this part: "AND since this all happened during crab season....." CRAB SEASON? WTF does CRAB SEASON have to do with anything? |
The guy who died is the skipper of an Alaskan crab fishing boat, one featured on the show Deadliest Catch which follows several Alaskan crab fishing boats and their crews through crab season. Thus, he died while filming next season's episodes so if the show goes ahead and airs the next season, then his death will surely be addressed through the course of the season.
That's what crab season has to do with this. |
And, yet again, GD explains pop culture to the uninitiated. :)
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This is really bumming me out. There are now reports that he hung himself. He was such an incredible artist. :(
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Walter Fredrick "Fred" Morrison, inventor of the Frisbee
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His last request was to be buried up a tree.
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Not eaten by dogs?
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Dick Francis.
An author I've never read but who I probably had to reshelve more than any other back when I worked public libraries (almost 20! years ago now). Old people loved him. |
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my 18 year old dog Ripley
bye buddy. see you on the flipside :snap: :snap: :snap: |
Oh Captain. :(
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Have a safe trip over the bridge, Ripley. Run free, old girl!
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Ripley is gorgeous. I'm so sorry, Capt. Jack.
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So sorry Captain
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I'm sorry, Captain.
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I'm so sorry Captain. What a sweet face.
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RIP Ripley
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Good dog, Ripley.
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Ripley looks like a sweetheart. :(
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Hugs to Capt Jack.
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Jack
I know what Ripley meant to you and my heart breaks for you. Hugs from Susan and me! |
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So sorry to hear this, Capt Jack. *hugs*
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HUGS Capt. Jack. Super Sad Ripley Cheese :(
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Sorry for your loss, Capt Jack.
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I'm so sorry, Capt Jack. He was family.
My good cat Sally died the other day. She owned me for 16 years. |
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I'm sorry to hear about Sally. I'm sure she loved every minute of owning you.
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RIP Sweet Sally.
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My sincerest condolences 3894. :(
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Thanks for your kind words. These guys leave a big hole in our lives when they die, don't they?
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Michael Blosil, Marie Osmond's 18-year-old son, by suicide.
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How very sad for her and her family.
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Finally following in the footsteps of his career - Corey Haim
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Read the article.....who is he?
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Gosh, I remember the "Lost Boys" era Corey-mania quite well. And I remember about twenty years later meeting a lot of young cast members at Disney named Corey. (And asking whether they were named for Haim or Feldman)
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I really liked Lost Boys. I wasn't a big fan of the two Coreys but they were popular in their heyday.
It's sad to see so many young actors die recently. |
The Lost Boys is one of my favorite movies and I remember "the Corey's" being plastered all over Bop and Big Bop magazine. It's tragic that another child star of the 80s is gone due to drugs. I wonder if lessons have been learned and the child stars of the 90s are on a mostly better path (Brittany & Lindsey not withstanding).
On a side note, I find it amusing that the media is making this out to be as big as Michael Jackson's death. Coverage wise at least. |
Lucas is one of my favorite 80's movies.
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This news saddens me. So many people in his life trying to help him get clean, and him doing everything but. The article had him working with an "addictionologist," which sounds like a fancy term for snake-oil salesman (went back to the link but the original article is gone) and on some medication to help with his substance abuse issues. I'm guessing the OTC stuff was abused (really easy to overdo robitussin) and combined badly with whatever other meds he was taking. Poor guy.
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RIP Merlin Olsen. Goodbye to one of the Fearsome Foursome.
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I'll always remember him as Jonathan Garvey from Little House. I didn't even know he was a football player with the Rams until now....
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Star of Airplane and other movies, Peter Graves
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I loved Mission Impossible. Peter Graves was terrific and he was hilarious in Airplane. RIP |
Peter Graves and James Arness were brothers!? I did not know that!
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He was a funny man! We just watched Airplane on Friday. I still find it just as funny as the first time I saw it and the boy loved it!
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Aww. Fess Parker.
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Bummer - he was one of the good ones.
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Oh, man! RIP Davy......
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Fess Parker isn't dead, he'll live on in the memories of a ton of young kids in coonskin caps and rolled up jeans, battlin' injuns in backyards and schoolyards across the country.
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Wait, Sonny Crockett died?
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Robert Culp, the other cool half of I Spy.
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Looks like Dennis Hopper will be added to this list soon. I hope not, but he says he's termanal with prostate cancer. Very sad, but at least he got his star on the walk of fame in Hollywood.
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Comic legend Dick Giordano at 77
A staple in the history of comics. RiP http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=25442 |
It was a couple of days ago, but iconic rock n roll photographer Jim Marshall passed away at 74.
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June Havoc, Gypsy Rose Lee's sister.
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Jaime Escalante - teacher profiled in Stand and Deliver
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John Forsythe.
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My friend, writer, artist, Comic-con roommate, co-publisher and great guy. Bruce "kimo" Brown
http://fetorpse.livejournal.com/226941.html RiP |
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He'll always be Charlie to me even thought I was a Dynasty fan. I just made a Charlie reference the other day. RIP Mr. Forsythe.
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Eddie Carroll - voice of Jiminy Cricket since 1971.
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RIP Malcom McLaren
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I'll always think of "Buffalo Gals" when I hear the name Malcolm McLaren - RIP :(
('round the outside, 'round the outside, 'round the outside) |
McLaren's death makes me feel really old.
What's odd, is that I was not singing Sex Pistols or McLaren's tune but Bow Wow Wow's C30 C60 C90 GO! interspersed with Madam Butterfly. I'll probably wake up with Adam and the Ants Kings of the Wild Frontier. McLaren had his finger in many parts of my youth. RIP. |
As an aging punk rocker it's hard to imagine how I might have otherwise misspent my youth without him. I pulled out the Great Rock 'n Roll Swindle to pay tribute tonight. No Future.
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Dixie Carter.
I didn't know that she was married to Hal Holbrook. |
That's what I got out of it too. Hal Holbrook, eh.
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he did some guest apperances as her bf on Designing women.
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Carl Macek, April 17, 2010 of an apparent heart attack. He was a writer, producer, anime pioneer...look him up on Wikipedia, IMDB...or just Google his name.
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When my friend, Elbows, went to NY he asked if there was anything I wanted him to bring back. I replied, a pack of those coffee cups what I see on Law & Order. Well, long story, short, he forgot. Though he did just send me this link.
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Lynn Redgrave
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I still haven't gotten over Natasha Richardson. Now Lynn Redgrave. Major sad cheese. :(
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Poor Vanessa.. Lost her daughter last year, and now both her brother and sister within a month of each other.
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I liked Lynn Redgrave. My opinion of Vanessa has been forever tainted by her Oscar acceptance speech for Julia.
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Lynn Redgrave has always struck me as a genuinely nice person. She used to teach free Shakespearean acting classes at the Motion Picture Retirement Home. Some of the most entertaining theatre related evenings I've ever had.
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I must say that pretty much the only thing I think of when hearing her name is "Weight Watchers commercials when I was a kid."
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Run, run, run, run, pant, pant, pant, pant, climb, climb, climb, climb.
Smash door . . . Damn! Too late again. |
The scary thing is . . . if George Burns were still alive, he'd be next!
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I still think it should be news every time the second oldest person dies, that just feels a bit sadder.
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Did you see the photo of the new oldest person?
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I just found out that the inventor of Spaghetti-O's died the day after Theo was born. If it was posted here, we missed it for good reason.
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He had wanted to stick around until Theo was born - after that, his life was complete.
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Dorothy Provine - It's a Mad Mad World http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...,5964943.story |
"Mother, Russell's not that good a driver!"
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Frank Frazetta.
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Crap. That was a unexpected.
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Frazetta and Dio, both unexpected (especially Dio) - not long ago, I watched a nice documentary about Frazetta that is included with the DVD of Ralph Bakshi's Fire and Ice. His museum is here in Florida, so I may just have to make a trip.
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At the risk of GC punching me in the face, how unexpected can the death of a nearly 68 year old man with stomach cancer be?
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To that point, I hadn't heard (prior to his passing) that he had stomach cancer.
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Ah, I assumed it was relatively common knowledge since I'd heard about it was it was in the news last year and I don't even know who he is (other than first learning he had cancer and now learning he was dead; just now looked him up to learn that Ozzie Osbourne was also in Black Sabbath).
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Not that I was a huge fan, I do have a fair amount of respect for RJD. He was a great musician, but more importantly, by all accounts, he was a pretty decent guy. He was well liked and respected amongst his peers.
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Is it just me or is that an incredibly short pinky compared to index finger length?
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But when you hold your hand like that the pinky is angled away from the camera. As a matter of fact, I just did and looked at my hand with one eye closed and it does indeed look quite a bit like the photo. From what I can tell it's a function of the angle of the pinky, as well as the proximity of the pinky to the ring finger that causes the illusion.
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My brother's GSD, Wiley died this morning. A client of mine died this afternoon and a pug rescue friend is fighting for her life. This has not been a good day!
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NA ~ Yikes! Hang in there!
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Comic artist/Animator Howie Post - co-creator of HOT STUFF and Spooky from Harvey Comics and drew Heathcliff, Stawberry Shortcake & MadBalls for Star Comics
RIP http://www.comicsreporter.com/index....ost_1926_2010/ |
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Awwwww. I knew him when I was a kid. I was even on his show.
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It was amazing seeing him at the 50th. Surpised to read about many of his kids died so tragicly.
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Aw, so sad for Art. Is he the last of the Opening Day hosts to go??
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But with him dead how will the next generation learn about Walt giving him the film concession!
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It was pretty cool seeing him on the 50th- he seems to have been a very kind man, and while I'm glad he lived to a ripe old age, I'm sorry he had so much tragedy in his life.
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Who would have guessed that Charlotte Rea and Conrad Bain would outlive two of the kids.
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Jeff Bridges is most definitely alive, and probably still enjoying the glow of his Oscar win.
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Oddly I happened to see Todd Bridges on a terrible new show yesterday (one of the zillions of shows that show videos and then have H-list celebrities comment on/make jokes about them).
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He had the bad taste to do it while I was traveling and not paying much attention to the news, but I note that Martin Gardner died over the weekend.
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Not exactly a surprise but Dennis Hopper died today.
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I was surprised.
Did he have some illness I was unaware of? (I don't follow celebrity news.) or was it just his hard living that eventually did him in? |
He's had advanced prostate cancer for some time.
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Ok? So thats three then?
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Who would have thought that the men of Maude would outlive the women?
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So Betty White is the only one left, sad.
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Apparently there's an episode of Golden Girls where they're all talking about getting old and retirement homes and they agree to all go to one together. Then at the end Betty White asks "but what about when there's just one of us left?"
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As many may know, John Wooden is in "grave" condition at UCLA. Sadly, we'll probably be seeing his name (again) in this thread soon.
I just heard from someone that the Washington Post had announced that he HAD died, but they quickly retracted it. They were probably confused with: John R. Wooden Award founder dies at 93 |
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I have to put in a personal Sad Cheese for Rue. :(
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There was a nice tribute to John Wooden right before tonights Dodger game. Was nice.
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Walt "Disney" Whitman RIP 1819-2010
This was unexpected, I thought he had died a long time ago. I read his most famous poem in college, an ode to to marijuana, called, Leave the Grass. I still can recall a bit of it: "O won't ye leave the grass Do you need to take it with? You see, this pipe is cash And I need only a bidth." (Pic related -- It's Walt Whitman) ![]() |
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One of my favorites recently - "Talent is God-given - be humble. Fame is man-given - be grateful. Conceit is self-given - be careful." His dedication to and love for his late wife was moving. I once read a story about how 5 years after her death he had agreed to write a book with a co-author about his relationship with her. The day of the first appointment between the two arrived and he met the man at his door, and while crying he backed out saying "it's just too soon....too soon.". |
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One of the great comic artist - Al Williamson
Flash Gordon - Star Wars - EC Horror Comics Some of his work http://goodcomics.comicbookresources...omics-day-110/ Amazing artist - huge loss. :( |
Oh man. This one hurts.
Will Koch - Owner of Holiday World He was one of the brightest lights of the amusement industry, as well as an all around excellent guy. :( doesn't quite express it. |
Garry "Starchild" Shider, longtime guitarist and musical director for George Clinton and Parliament/Funkadelic.
Garry was a wonderful guy and talented musician. We were lucky enough to get him to record a few guitar and vocal tracks on our new Naked Funk CD a few months ago. The stuff he added was truly magical. Thanks for everything Garry, it was a pleasure to get to know you and work with you. |
Ronald Neame 1911-2010
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Manute Bol, a lithe 7-foot-7 shot-blocker from Sudan who spent 10 seasons in the NBA and was dedicated to humanitarian work in Africa, died Saturday. He was 47.
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I believe he is (was) the only player in NBA history with more blocked shots than points.
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Peter Quaife from The Kinks :(
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Have no idea who he is nor heard of The Kinks, but I actually recognize a couple songs by title. So in his honor I'll be sad today.
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Correct. I'm equally ignorant (and in fact probably more so since "oldies" were my primary form of musical "white noise" consumption when I was a teenager) of the music of the '90s.
And while I generally recognize popular music when I hear it, I almost never know who's singing (and when it is a band who is in the band unless the band is named after them). After all, I was probably the only college student in Seattle who first learned of Kirk Cobain's existence when he killed himself and everyone else went into convulsive shock. |
Correct? So you ARE an android?
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Yes, it is the only explanation for why JWBear's disdain doesn't hurt my feelings. I have none. And as Oliver Sachs has written well on, it is musical wiring that makes us human. Since I apparently have none there are limited logical conclusions to be drawn.
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And thus, yet another contender fails the Turing test.
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You tiny little life forms You precious little life forms Where. Are. You Budabum da bumbumbum One of my favorite moments on TNG |
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(And if I really had disdain for you I'd fill up this post with emoticons and sparkly-happy pictures of unicorns and rainbows.) |
That's fine. I suppose my not being hurt by your disdain is similar evidence of that. Of course, every month when I menstruate it comes out red, which does suggest error in your hypothesis.
And a threat of smileys is misguided, as somehow the myth has taken hold that smileys offend me. That like garlic for a vampire they send me scurrying for cover. Au contraire, I just think that most of their time their use makes the user look less intelligent than they likely are. So go ahead, and use them to your content. |
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I do not have pop culture separation except insofar as you define pop culture as "music." I define it as much broader than that and think I'm perfectly well connected to most of those other areas.
And I was familiar with the music of Nirvana (it would have been impossible not to be), I just didn't know or care who it was making the music. The existence of Nirvana wasn't news to me, the existence of Kurt Cobain was. Courtney Love remains, to me, first and foremost a actress of some reasonable skill as demonstrated during a short window in the mid-'90s. |
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But when I run into someone who doesn't watch movies I just treat them like someone who doesn't watch movies, not express amazement and how hard it must be to live without a culture (not saying that CP did that, but she did expand it a lot from just being stupid about music). And to a certain extent a big part of things is that I am horrible at remembering proper nouns. Though I'm sure I've been told the real names for everybody here many times, I wouldn't be able to give them for more than a dozen of the posters here. I'm horrible at remembering book titles and author names and that's in a realm I'm hugely interested. I"m sure that I had heard the name "Kurt Cobain" many, many times before he died. It just had not implanted and the fact that he was from a realm of culture I had no interest in made it even less likely it would happen. Some people suffer from face blindness (Oliver Sachs rears his head again), I sometimes wonder if I suffer from capitalized noun blindness. |
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Knowing who Kurt Cobain was in the early 90's didn't mean you knew anything about music. GD mentioned Kobe Bryant - I agree. If you weren't a)in college at the time AND b)in Seattle at the time I might even give you a pass for not being close enough to the affected demographic. I think what we're talking about is two different meanings to the phrase "knowing pop culture". Knowing the various changes made to Sugar Bear as Sugar Crisp became Golden Crisp means you are a pop culture geek. Debating whether you liked Fruity Pebbles or Cocoa Pebbles better as a kid makes you a part of the pop culture of the time. I like that I used the phrase "pop culture separation" because I think that embodies the latter definition. If you were an expert on bands of the early 90's and could discuss the rise and fall of grunge endlessly but couldn't remember that it was Quentin Tarantino who directed Pulp Fiction, I would still say you had pop culture separation. I'm not picking on you, just exploring the concept. |
As someone who has equally significant blind spots, I am not surprised that Alex didn't know of Kurt Cobain. I couldn't, without a doubt, name a Nirvana song without getting it confused with the other grunge bands that sound mostly the same to me.
I was at P&P and listening to a song that "stole" (ie "sampled) from the Tom Tom Club. I mentioned that this was a TomTom Club song and I got blank stares. When I was told this was "so and so" doing this song I said "never heard of her". They tried further clarifying by saying that the woman was in "BellBivDevo" (or whoever it is correctly spelled). When I said I had never heard of that group I got more looks of disbelief. My response was that, if they didn't know the TomTom Club, Tina Weymouth, Chris Franz and the Talking Heads connection I should be the one with the look of disbelief on my face. |
I disagree, CP. He's separated from one particular aspect of pop culture, not pop culture in general. No one can be completely aware of every name out there.
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Define Pop Culture. I don't think it's a term that can be CLEARLY defined.
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Yes, it was a gap in my caring that lead to me not particularly knowing who Kurt Cobain was (though I'm sure I would have recognized any Nirvana, Pearl Jam, or Soundgarden (who were much more prominent to me due to their regular appearances on Almost Live) song as one I'd heard before). But up until the moment he died, I think it would have been much more shocking to my peers that I lived in Seattle and didn't drink coffee than that I didn't know who Kurt Cobain was. It was when he killed himself that everybody -- to my experience -- started acting like he was the central gravitational force of their emotional/spiritual lives. A bigger version of that thing from high school where some kid gets hit by a car and suddenly everybody was his closest friend. This isn't to say he wasn't an important figure, just that he wasn't an important figure unless you were already steeped in the relatively limited arena in which he was so important. And this all completely ignores the fact that by 1993 the general sentiment in Seattle was that Grunge was past its time and wouldn't the rest of the country kindly shut up because most of us weren't wearing flannel and knitwear. We even shaved sometimes. |
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I know a person who thinks that honestly thinks that the first Jackass movie is one of the greatest cinematic achievements of all time. That person is objectively wrong. |
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Oh, and Devo endorsed huffing canned whip cream. |
Michael Jackson died.... :(
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The interesting thing about that picture is that it was taken in that small sliver of time when women still hovered in distant doorways wearing long skirts, yet there is electricity in the town.
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As with fashion or art, I appreciate people MORE when they have a decent knowledge of the art form. If they have that and continue to prefer schlocky crap, well, maybe they just have no taste. |
Yeah, I'm okay with people who have different music tastes, as long as they can articulate why.
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What if you appreciate tacky in its own right. Is there such a thing as unintentional art? (Eg: the art of tacky?)
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I do appreciate movies that are so bad they are unintentionally funny. To me there is a huge difference between the relatively short experience of watching such a film and the eternal experience of owning and/or wearing something that is so ugly it's funny. The funny wears off for me...almost instantly, in fact. |
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As for unintentional art there is certainly "found art" but these are usually non-art objects intended to be viewed as art, and there is art in nature, an appreciation of the aesthetics of a landscape, which unless you believe in God as creator, would be unintentional. |
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Senator Robert Byrd, former member of the KKK.
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Yes, sca, everybody knows. There was plenty of ugliness in the Dixiecrat worldview of the 40s. It hasn't disappeared entirely yet, I've learned, among some older white Dems here in the South. Racism is a disease without demographic or party boundaries, though Byrd was at least smart enough to know he had made a bad choice. Whether he ever repented in his true heart of hearts, I can't know.
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I assume that in certain circles the death of Robert Byrd will be gleefully taken as an opportunity for vengeance for how many people gleefully greeted Jesse Helms's death.
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With Helms it was easy to gravedance because he never made bones about turning around. He was evil and intolerant until the end.
It may have only been for political reasons, but Byrd did, in some small degree. He voted for the Matthew Shepard Hate Crimes Act, for instance. Granted, he also said a lot of hateful, ignorant, stupid stuff about minorities and gays too. I think I'm trying to say that I don't recally Helms having much by way of mitigating factors. (It's hard to think before morning coffee... must make cup now) |
I always doubted his true repentance. He was using the N word in interviews....how along ago? Maybe 5-6 years? I forget exactly how long ago. He also has said he primary reason for joining the KKK in 1943 was their anti-communist stance.....I find that unlikely because at that point the commies were our allies in WWII. Even though he said he lost interest in it a year or so later, he was in leadership, and still voted agains the 1964 civil rights act.
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I have no reason to doubt Byrd's reversal on race issues (in the famous "******" quote he was to a fair extent making the same point Chris Rock used to in his act, just using language that won't fly from a senator). Plus the fact that it is difficult to change ingrained vocabulary, especially with words that were socially common until midlife. But if his reversal was calculating and true then I still don't really care if it can't be pointed out where his internal belief was allowed to have public impact.
My issue with Byrd is that it is insane that he was in office and if dying was the only way to resolve that, I'm ok with it. He could have had the good grace to wait a week though so the people of West Virginia wouldn't have to deal with what will be a huge amount of kerfuffle over the rules on how to replace him (his death is just six days short of a deadline after which the governor would just get to pick a replacement for the rest of his term). |
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If you are really wondering why he was held in high esteem, well, go and read something other than the Washington Post. Even his Wikipedia entry will make clear why. He doggedly championed his views, which were sometimes conservative and sometimes liberal, so lots of people can say he was right some of the time. |
However, his self appointed role as Windbag-in-Chief and bureaucratic scold was annoying. I reserve that position for me.
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Ilene Woods, voice of Cinderella.
I had the LP song-and-storybook for Cinderella growing up and her voice is forever with me. When I first tried on my wedding gown, the song that burst out was "A Dream is a Wish Your Heart Makes". I sing "Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo" to Theo all the time. RIP to a very talented lady. I suggest reading the article - some amazing tidbits in there! |
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My 16 year old, from the age of 2 until she was 5, would wake up every Saturday morning and watch Cinderella. :(
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Another great one gone. If there is an afterlife, Harvey Pekar is grousing and complaining about it like no one else ever could.
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Some interesting comments about the death or Harry Pekar:
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Yankees owner George Steinbrenner dies at 80
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There are a lot of people at Angels Stadium right now scrambling to alter whatever pre-game activities they had planned for tonight.
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"He changed baseball the way Hitler changed Europe."
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Jesus that guy is a glamor hog. He couldn't even give Bob Sheppard more than a couple days in the limelight.
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Never thought he'd be traded to the Angels...
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NPR personality Daniel Schorr
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A couple of years ago, I thought to myself, "Daniel Schorr's starting to sound old." Exactly how old came as a shock to me. RIP.
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Oh! That makes me really sad. RIP Mr. Schorr.
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I loved hearing the audio of him rushing out to report on the just received "enemies list" of Richard Nixon and reading through it on air only to find his own name.
I always found his analysis on Weekend Edition to be extremely bland and obvious but there was something nice about knowing he'd been doing it for so long. |
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I read this last night and sang "Must Be Santa" the rest of the night. RIP Mitch Miller.
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As a child, I used to follow the bouncing ball. Why? Who knows?
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that now has passed the last host of all the various weird-assed shows of my childhood. |
Tom Mankiewicz - Superman & Bond Screenwriter
http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...0,353048.story Cartoonist John Callahan - http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...,1581016.story Actor - Maury Chaykin - Dances with Wolves & Unstrung Heroes http://www.latimes.com/news/obituari...,6730803.story |
Lorene Yarnell of Sheilds & Yarnell - If you remember the 70s.
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Today's unnecessarily unnecessary factoid:
With the passing of Patricia Neal, Michael Caine has now made the list 25 Oldest Acting Academy Award Winners. Congratulations Michael Caine. |
Patricia Neal
Never on my top list, but whenever I see her in a film, I always loved her. Hud, Day the Earth Stood Still (I loathe The Fountainhead, UGH). Helluva life and what a survivor she was. RIP. :( |
Yet another fine actress who I thought previously had died and who I remember thinking at the time was already dead.
She also pitched good "Maxwell House," an odd gig for a stroke survivor. |
A Face in the Crowd and Hud. Loved those two movies of hers.
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David Wolper, producer (Roots, Thorn Birds, LA Confidential, Willy Wonka & The Chocolate Factory)
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He also produced the Opening Ceremony of the 1984 Summer Olympics. Which totally ruled.
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Which is related to how I found out about his death. He was a friend of Dr. Bartner (and therefore the Trojan Marching Band)
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Senator Ted Stevens of "series of tubes" fame.
You know, I never quite understood the level of ridicule leveled at him for that. Long before he ever said that, the term "pipe" was used to refer to one's connection to an ISP. The term "tunneling" is a technical term referring to a specific method of connecting between two devices on a network. As an analogy, a "series of tubes" is not a horrible one. I seriously doubt he literally thought it was tubes. Not that there weren't other things said in that speech that were utterly wrong about how the internet works, and he clearly demonstrated that, even granting the tube analogy, he had no clue how data might flow through those hypothetical tubes. I've just always been surprised that "series of tubes" was what got latched onto, as opposed to, say, "an internet". |
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Bobby Thomson. Makes me smile every time I see it.
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Laurent Fignon one of my all time favorite cyclists. His near miss and loss of the TdF to Greg LeMond by a mere 8 seconds was my personal favorite year.
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Bonnie Blue Butler is dead.
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Glenn Shadix :(
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I knew Glenn, I hadn't seen him in a few years. Someone told me about his death last night, actually. Sad news.
One of my encounters with Glenn was the night of the "Sleepy Hollow" premiere party. I was working as a cater-waiter, and Glenn, three sheets to the wind, joyously recognized me, and introduced me to Jeffrey Jones as "one of the funniest guys" he'd ever worked with. He spent a large part of the conversation trying to remember the names of the shows we'd done back East in summer rep. All I could do was smile and agree with whatever he came up with, because, of course, we had never done a show together. Fave role: the bartender in the John Larroquette show. He kept a fishbowl of AA chips behind the bar, collected from folks in exchange for a free drink. Eeeeevil. :evil: |
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I have an even more bizarre Danny DeVito story I'll tell you some snowy night in front of a fire.
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Any hints that Jeffrey Jones was about to implode his career and get his own web page provided by the State of California?
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Re: JJ. No, In retrospect, I'm sure I was too old to pique his attention. As for DD, our moment was on the phone. He called me. Not a wrong number.
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R.I.P. Mr McCarthy |
Continuing to provide this useless information.
Kevin McCarthy was the 11 oldest living Academy Award nominee. His death makes room for Sid Ramin (Score, West Side Story) in the top 25. He was also the 3rd oldest living acting nominee. Ruby Dee now makes it into the top 25. Kirk Douglas is now the oldest living male acting nominee. Aren't you all glad I keep some stupid lists? |
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I just watched Love and Death (my favorite Woody Allen film) last week. :(
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Billie Mae Richards, the voice of Rudolph in Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer
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Leonard Skinner, the high school gym coach who was the inspiration for the name of the band Lynyrd Skynyrd
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Eddie Fisher, singer and Carrie's Dad
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Gloria Stuart, Claude Rains' love interest in The Invisible Man and the older version of Kate Winslet in Titanic (and plenty of movies in between). She just passed her 100th birthday in July and was also feted at the Academy recently.
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Wow, lots of deaths of note (to me) recently. Certainly Arthur Penn. Gloria Stewart's passing almost led me to watch Titanic that night. Almost.
I'm probably the only one who has a big thing for one of Eddie Fisher's small hits, Dungaree Doll, but I was singing it all day the day he passed. And Tony Curtis! Waaaaaaaaaa. I demand a screening of The Great Race at Casa Chihuahua! So many great roles. Wasn't he in Sparticus, or some other film or films where he played some Roman slave boy? Or was that several films? Um, lemme see, Harry Houdini, Cary Grant Knock-Off in Some Like It Hot, and of course, the sparkle-toothed Great Leslie! R.I.P. all. |
Stupid list update with the oldies kicking it.
Gloria Stuart (100.23) was the 20th nominee to make it to 100, and having lived about 5 weeks longer than George Burns (100.13) was the 19th oldest any has yet made it. Gordon Wellesley (screenwriter) remains the oldeset living nominee at 103.8. And George Abbott's overall record of 107.6 is safe for at least 4 years. She was the 5th oldest living nominee, Grahame Tharp (documentary filmmaker) now fills that slot. She was the second oldest living nominated actor behind Luise Rainer (who is now again the only centenarian actor). Olivia de Havilland (94.2) is now second banana and Dorothy Malone (85.7) moves into the top 25. At the time of his death, Tony Curtis (85.3) was 29th on the list. At 87.7 at the time of her nomination for Titanic, Stuart still holds the record for being oldest person receiving a first Oscar nomination. |
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That's correct. 17 times nominations have gone to someone in their 80s, Stuart was the oldest (and Jessica Tandy did it twice).
Four people have actually won academy awards in their 80s, with Charles Chaplin being the oldest 83.9 years when he won Best Dramatic Score in 1973 for Limelight. Interestingly (using a very broad definition of that word), Limelight was released 20 years earlier in 1952 but was never released in Los Angeles until 1972 and, per the rules at the time, it qualified for consideration that year. The rules were then changed. |
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Van Snowden - if you don't know the name, you probably know the work - H.R. Pufnstuf and just about every Krofftt Brothers production, Chucky in Child's Play, Cryptkeeper from the 'Tales from the Crypt' show. A master puppeteer is gone :(
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Solomon Burke, "the greatest soul singer", has gone Home. Well sung, good and faithful servant.
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Every radio obit I heard today (and I heard a lot of them, being in the car for 14 hours today), that clip was played (and frequently it was the only clip played).
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She no longer speaks jive.
Barbara Billingsley :( |
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Until Harold Gould died, I had not realized that he had played the father in the earliest incarnations of "Happy Days." So it's a bad year to be Mr. C.
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Encountered Tom Bosley backstage at the Shubert when Beauty and the Beast was on it's first L.A. run. It was between shows and he was a tad grumpy that audience members were looking at him eat pizza. He didn't seem to enjoy having the audience look at him while onstage either.
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Ari Up of the Slits. Glad I got to see her recently
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I never thought I'd be writing that Bob Guccione died.
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Alexander Anderson Jr., creator of Rocky and Bullwinkle,' dies at 90
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This is news from over two months ago, but I missed it. The innovative and unique anime director Satoshi Kon died in August. Sometimes referred to as the anime director for people who don't like anime, he chose unconventional stories and genres to work in. Perfect Blue, Tokyo Godfathers, Millennium Actress, Paprika, the series Paranoia Agent - they are all good cinema and worth seeking out.
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Satoshi Kon wrote a fairly long note when he knew he was dying.
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Maurice "The Enforcer" Lucas has passed.
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Jerry Bock, composer of Fiorello! and Fiddler On The Roof
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Sparky Anderson....at his "field of dreams".
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Awww... I remember Sparky from when I was growing up in the 80s. (in Michigan)
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Jill Clayburgh
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I saw Jill Clayburgh in Pippin when I was just a kid, and loved both her and it. I asked my Mom to take me to An Unmarried Woman, just because I had a crush on Jill, even though it wasn't the kind of movie an 11 year old would get much out of. I kind of liked it anyway. (Haven't revisited it since.)
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Peter "Sleazy" Christopherson of Throbbing Gristle fame.
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In honor of Irvin Kershner - I give you, Empire Strikes Back in 1009 frames
It may take a moment to load (It's a just under 1 meg animated GIF file) Enjoy! |
"Dandy" Don Meredith - Quarterback for Dallas and color commentator for Monday Night Football
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I was surprised to learn a few years ago that he played a lot of "bad guy" heavy roles early in his career. I want to find some of those to watch some day.
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Watch TV dramas from the '60s and '70s. He was in every third episode.
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The Streets of San Francisco (TV series) Big Jake Wilson / Inspector John T. Connor / Off. Joe Landers – One Last Shot (1974) … Off. Joe Landers – Before I Die (1973) … Inspector John T. Connor – Legion of the Lost (1973) … Big Jake Wilson The Evil Touch (TV series) Captain Andrew Palmer / Willie Tremaine – The Voyage (1974) … Captain Andrew Palmer – The Obituary (1973) … Willie Tremaine The F.B.I. (TV series) Craig Fletcher / Hudson – Fools Gold (1973) … Hudson – Pound of Flesh (1965) … Craig Fletcher "Studio One in Hollywood" (13 episodes ) ... aka "Studio One" - USA (original title) ... aka "Studio One Summer Theatre" - USA (summer title) ... aka "Summer Theatre" - USA (summer title) ... aka "Westinghouse Studio One" - USA (alternative title) ... aka "Westinghouse Summer Theatre" - USA (summer title)
And I see that the episode of M*A*S*H that he was in is on later this week (I am going to record it out of curiosity): M*A*S*H The Ringbanger (#1.16) Thur. Dec. 9 5:30 AM on TVLAND M*A*S*H The Ringbanger (#1.16) Fri. Dec. 10 4:30 AM on TVLAND |
Well, I would hope he was a different person every time on Studio One since that was an anthology show doing a different story every episode.
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A sad day for Julie Andrews: Blake Edwards has passed away.
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Probably four or five years ago I saw Julie Andrews and Blake Edwards walking arm in arm at the LA Music Center. It was a strange experience for LA, simply because unless you're a tourist, seeing a famous person is no big deal. Life goes on, and oh look, there's a celebrity, lets continue our conversation.
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