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Name 09-04-2005 01:13 PM

Corpse Bride
 
A Tim Burton film, looks really interesting.

http://www.timburtoncollective.com/corpse.html

Definitely something that I will be spending a few hours in the theater to watch, and certainly a DVD buy.

Ghoulish Delight 09-06-2005 08:24 AM

I'm a little worried/confused about the continued use of NBC music in the ads for this one. What's that about?

innerSpaceman 09-06-2005 10:10 AM

Word on the street is "meh."

Beautiful, but "meh."

Gn2Dlnd 09-06-2005 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight
I'm a little worried/confused about the continued use of NBC music in the ads for this one. What's that about?

Movie promos use temp tracks all the time. The music from "Glory," "Backdraft," and "The Rocketeer," are three that get used over and over. It would make sense to use music from the other stop-motion Burton film. I'm sure Disney is happy to make the licensing dollars.

mistyisjafo 09-06-2005 02:35 PM

I'm on the fence about Corpse Bride. I'll definately see it because I love Tim Burton but the previews don't look all that interesting. Keeping my fingers crossed!

SzczerbiakManiac 09-06-2005 03:22 PM

Is it a musical?

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 09-06-2005 06:29 PM

http://corpsebridemovie.warnerbros.com/

You can hear a lot of the soundtrack here.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 09-06-2005 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman
Word on the street is "meh."

Beautiful, but "meh."

Homeless people don't like it?

Gangster pimps straight outta Compton don't like it?

What is this street you speak of?

Acre Street? Where I grew up? Did Mark, that ass who lives across the street from my parent's house, not like it?

The kids down on Main Street who tap their foot listening to ragtime didn't like it?

TheatreTech 09-06-2005 07:08 PM

*bites fist and squeals at any mention of Mr. Burton*

Cadaverous Pallor 09-06-2005 07:25 PM

After Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, I'm not exactly ecstatic...especially since this doesn't look too intriguing to me.

If the reviews are good I'll see it.

Name 09-06-2005 09:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor
If the reviews are good I'll see it.

Would you settle for the reviews of one of the writers?

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Originally Posted by JohnAugust


Ghoulish Delight 09-06-2005 09:32 PM

I'm also not getting my hopes up. Big Fish, Planet of the Apes, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory. Burton's track record has been on the bland side of late.

Not Afraid 09-06-2005 10:53 PM

Big Fish!? Big Fish was a great film!

I still haven't seen Charlie, but I'm still looking forward to it....one day. I actually know more about the music that usual and respect Elfman more for what he did with the soundtrack. That's a big deal, since I still am not a Boingo fan.

I'll see this one too - after I see Broken Flowers.

Boingonut 09-06-2005 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TheatreTech
*bites fist and squeals at any mention of Mr. Burton*

I couldn't have said it better myself, the man craps gold as far as I'm concerned. ;)

libraryvixen 09-06-2005 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Eliza Hodgkins 1812
Homeless people don't like it?

Gangster pimps straight outta Compton don't like it?

What is this street you speak of?

Acre Street? Where I grew up? Did Mark, that ass who lives across the street from my parent's house, not like it?

The kids down on Main Street who tap their foot listening to ragtime didn't like it?

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You must spread some Mojo around before giving it to EH1812 again
I wanted to see CB more when I saw the trailer in Spanish!! I love Tim Burton, so you can bet your bitty that B and I will be there to see this film!

Ghoulish Delight 09-07-2005 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid
Big Fish!? Big Fish was a great film!

Eh. Big Fish was a mediocre film, 90% of which I saw in the trailer. It wasn't torture, but there was no meat to it. There was nothing beyond its face value, I kept waiting for the Burton twist and it never came.

And then he had to go and cram the same father-son sappiness into Charlie. What's with that? Burton used to be all about estranged children, children who might as well have been conceived by aliens and delivered to their parents (Vincent, Beetlejuice, every poem in The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy). This new spate of "I love my daddy" films doesn't suit him.

Not Afraid 09-07-2005 10:07 AM

I disagree. I thought Big Fish was a great departure for Burton. I always appreciate it when directors branch and give us the unexpected. I went into BF with no expectations and I was plesantly surprised that such a deeply emotional film could come out of Burton without using the usual formulas of past films.

Cadaverous Pallor 09-07-2005 10:39 AM

Big Fish was fun to look at but I absolutely hated the story. Both the dad and the son were jerks and I felt no empathy for them. It goes from "Dad is a pathological liar" to "Dad was actually telling mostly the truth and his son never believed him until he was dead." Yuck. The awkwardness between them was at best unaffecting and at worst ugly and made both characters unlikable. I'd take the Ewan McGregor flashbacks and make a movie out of that.

I really wanted to like Charlie, and while it was a lot of fun to watch, I left it with an "eh". I just don't think Burton has really delivered in a long time.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 09-07-2005 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight

And then he had to go and cram the same father-son sappiness into Charlie. What's with that? Burton used to be all about estranged children, children who might as well have been conceived by aliens and delivered to their parents (Vincent, Beetlejuice, every poem in The Melancholy Death of Oyster Boy). This new spate of "I love my daddy" films doesn't suit him.

I do agree with this. I liked Charlie and the Chocolate Factory more than anyone I know, but I didn't like that element. Or Big Fish. I loved the book, though.

Burton lost his father right before he made Big Fish, I think. Maybe that's why he made that film, actually. But if he's imitating life, it's not really working for him, IMO. Still, I cannot wait for The Corpse Bride.

Boingonut 09-07-2005 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid
That's a big deal, since I still am not a Boingo fan.

What about Boingonuts :p ;)

Not Afraid 09-07-2005 12:14 PM

Oh, I adore Boingonuts! ;)

I haven't told you about the time I saw Mystic Nights.......at the Gold Bear, have I?

blueerica 09-07-2005 12:24 PM

Oh my! I loved Big Fish! I know it's a departure from the OP, but...

I suspect that those that aren't so much into character development as opposed to other story elements (like traditional plot, action, you-name-it) didn't care as much for Big Fish, as it was almost entirely character driven.

I'm looking forward to Corpse Bride. Steve, on the other hand, is not. While I had always assumed he really liked Nightmare Before Christmas, I learned it was not as much as I had thought, and he views CB as being another NBC, and therefore not worth more than seeing it at matinee prices, or just waiting until someone else rents it.

Ghoulish Delight 09-07-2005 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by blueerica
I suspect that those that aren't so much into character development as opposed to other story elements (like traditional plot, action, you-name-it) didn't care as much for Big Fish, as it was almost entirely character driven.

No, I enjoy character development, I just didn't enjoy the characters or the development in this one. NA called it "deeply emotional", I didn't find the emotion particularly deep. It seemed entirely predictable from a character development standpoint, it didn't offer me anything particularly inciteful to me.

But then again, I've never had any sort of long standing animosity with any family member, so perhaps I just don't get it.

Cadaverous Pallor 09-07-2005 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghoulish Delight
But then again, I've never had any sort of long standing animosity with any family member, so perhaps I just don't get it.

Heh. Damn perfect family. ;)

On the other side of the spectrum, I've had plenty of long standing animosity with my family members, and I still felt no empathy for these characters. But then again, this genre, what I'd call "fvcked-up relationships", just isn't my thing. Be they family or romantic, I just don't enjoy watching people dislike each other, even (especially?) when there's a weepy reunion at the end. I still can't believe they shoehorned that same weepy junk into Charlie. :mad:

This is Tim Burton?

Anyway, I hope none of that will apply to Corpse Bride....I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a Nightmare clone.

Not Afraid 09-07-2005 09:02 PM

Even Goth Boys have a sentimental side. ;)

€uroMeinke 09-07-2005 09:46 PM

I hope to see the Corpse Bride someday - maybe even in a theater. I'd like to see Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, that last Star Wars film, and something else I can't remember.

I like Tim Burton's art direction more than anything, so I'll probably like this film. I'm reminded of a panel discussion of Nightmare and all the voice actors talking about how "abscent" Tim Burton really was from actually directing the film - perhaps that's the key?

Boingonut 09-07-2005 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Not Afraid
Oh, I adore Boingonuts! ;)

I haven't told you about the time I saw Mystic Nights.......at the Gold Bear, have I?

ohhh, I'd love to hear about it sometime, I am trying to kind of do a one man Mystic Knights type thing with video projection. :cool:

Gn2Dlnd 09-07-2005 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke
I'm reminded of a panel discussion of Nightmare and all the voice actors talking about how "abscent" Tim Burton really was from actually directing the film - perhaps that's the key?

That's because it was directed by Henry Selick. :decap:

Dippy Dawg 09-08-2005 12:07 AM

I don't believe that CB will have the as some here have called the sappy father-son element at all. I am still intruiged as to what/who Vincent's true love will be. The living marriage was arranged and the corpse marriage was accidental, sooo....

It seems that the "misfit" element that TB is so well known for may be returning perhaps?

innerSpaceman 09-08-2005 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor
Corpse Bride....I just hope it doesn't turn out to be a Nightmare clone.

From what I hear from people I trust who've seen it ... it's nothing but a Nightmare rip-off, splendid-looking (d'uh), but pointless. Songs crammed in for no reason, and a 10-minute story stretched to an hour longer than that.

I'm beginning to believe that Tim Burton films should be seen and not heard.

mousepod 09-08-2005 11:36 AM

Heather's theory that the post-Lisa Marie Tim Burton movies aren't as great because he ditched his true muse makes more sense to me every day...

Not Afraid 09-08-2005 12:25 PM

So Helena B-C just doesn't inspire him?

Cadaverous Pallor 09-08-2005 08:13 PM

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Originally Posted by innerSpaceman
From what I hear from people I trust who've seen it ... it's nothing but a Nightmare rip-off, splendid-looking (d'uh), but pointless. Songs crammed in for no reason, and a 10-minute story stretched to an hour longer than that.

:(

Hmm, looks like I just saved 10 bucks...

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 09-18-2005 03:15 PM

So, my review. Spoilers abound.
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It's very lovely. Not often magical, but lovely. It has a good script. It's a simpler more muted style than Nightmare, and though it pays homage in some ways (the dog, for example), I don't think it's a rip-off. It's based on a fable. It's simple like a fable. It nods its head to Poe and Gorey. The voice work is excellent. And I think, over all, it's worth the price of admission.

That being said, the score was very pretty, and if it had been just a score I would have been pleased. But as a musical it fails miserably. The songs don't move the plot along at all. They are exposition and the lyrics are not Elfman's best, nor is the music that accompanies them. I left the theater and couldn't remember a single song. Nothing stuck. There wasn't even a real duet between any of the main characters. So strange. There is, however, a beautiful and wonderful little moment at a piano between Victor and The Corpse Bride. I loved that scene.

The characters are swell, save Victoria, who's kind of just there. Sweet, but...well...about as light gray and toneless as her color design. The problem is that no one is really a strong enough personality to make up for a lack of backstory. The movie just begins, almost as if it's the start of the 2nd act. You really know - nor are you given any details later - who Victor is. He's sweet and cute and plenty a goth teenager will swoon after him, but we don't know what makes him tic really. What are his great dreams? Who would he be in a less repressed society. Also, none of the characters really experience a significant metamorphosis, and maybe it's cool to buck that theatrical contrivance (the characters must enter a crisis and exit a stronger, better person!), but now I kind of understand why more people *don't* buck that contrivance. I suppose, however, that a couple of the characters learn to do the right thing. And Victor becomes a bit more firm and confident.

I think what I'd expected was that the Underworld would spill over into the Living world and color their dull lives up a bit. Make them less stuffy. Bring the party to the Victorians. And that's not really what happened. It's a bit more like The Wizard of Oz. You can take the girl out of Kansas, but you cannot take Kansas out of the girl. At the end of the film, it's back to the Grey place, and none of Oz's color really comes to stay. Perhaps we can imagine, in The Corpse Bride, that this isn't the case, but the movie ends without us ever knowing how Victor's strange experiences might have improved their world for the better.

Oh, and the villain need a LOT more backstory. He needed to be a LOT scarier and a LOT more interesting than he was. Also, less obvious. You know right away who the bastard is and I couldn't tell why they'd want us to know that for the entire movie. Especially when there's a moment where the Corpse Bride is shocked to recognize him, and it might have been better for the audience if we felt the shock, too. And I couldn't help thinking, "No one would fall for this guy. He's obviously EVIL." But Richard Grant did delightful voice work for him.

The color scheme was appropriate, though I couldn't help - at times while in the land of the living - but pray for a dash of red at times. Everything is so pale and grey and white and sometimes my eyes were just kind of glazed over.

Still, it didn't really detract from the loveliness, or the fact that I even have a desire to see the film again, now knowing what to expect.

People will want to hold this film up to Nightmare for obvious reasons, but I don't think that's fair to The Corpse Bride, really. It's its own thing. I don't think it tries to recreate the magic of its predecessor. Its trying to use similar technology to tell a very different, much more subtle and simple and quiet story. This story will not have the mass appeal that Nightmare had, which benefited by creating a world that borrowed from two beloved holidays. Many people, I suspect, will be bored. But the audience I was with seemed delighted. And, like them, I laughed out loud a lot, because I really was charmed by the dialogue. I would have preferred it to be a simple talkie feature with some pretty classical music - be done with those forgettable songs, I say!

But I am looking forward to seeing it again and I do recommend the film. Those who think they won't like it probably won't, though.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 09-21-2005 06:13 PM

Thoughtful review at http://chud.com/reviews/4404.

And, surprisingly, People's breif print review was quite apt.

alphabassettgrrl 09-21-2005 06:39 PM

Corpse Bride...
 
I'm really looking forward to this. I hope to be able to judge it on its own merit.

I hated the father/son reunion sappiness in Charlie. Visually it was fantastic but there was something missing, a heart, I guess. Charlie was more than a little unfocused. There were moments when he "woke up" but on the whole he was wandering more than I thought he should. He made himself a weird persona, and it was great. Then he blows it by being so out of control. Charlie should control every aspect of his factory- the kids are out of that control, but even then, they are dealt with in appropriate ways. Sort of. I get the sense that everything is choreographed carefully, then he drops into that hurt, child memory thing and I completely lose interest. Bring back the freaks!!!

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 09-23-2005 04:17 PM

Oh, bummer. I'm reading the script (we've a copy here at work), and there's a missing scene that would have added so much to the film if it had been kept in. Oh, bother! I hates that! Hates it! Oh, well.

Eliza Hodgkins 1812 09-24-2005 01:03 AM

Saw it again this evening and knowing what to expect, I loved it. I really loved it. Whatever its flaws, even the music improved upon second viewing. I think it's a near perfect gem of a lovely movie. Most of the things I thought could be a bit better didn't bother me at all this time.

mistyisjafo 09-27-2005 01:11 PM

I enjoyed Corpse Bride but I didn't think it was as spectacular as Nightmare. I particularly liked the Skeletones. It harkened back to the old Boingo years. Made me miss the Halloween shows. :(

The story was very sweet, a little spooky, I'm not sure I'd take my kids to it (if I had any) and I felt that Johnny Depp had very little to say. All in all I give it a moderate thumbs up.

flippyshark 09-27-2005 01:35 PM

A quick thumbs up from me as well. I enjoyed it, but it is a very small film, not nearly as eye-popping or densely populated as Nightmare. It wil play nicely on DVD. My favorite part came at the very end, which I thought was lovely.

Not a masterpiece, but I'll enjoy revisiting it someday.


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