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See you in hell, Jerry Falwell.
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Good Morning and Welcome to Hell
I suppose I shouldn't take delight in the death of another ...
but I can't help but smile at the thought of newly-deceased Rev. Jerry Falwell waking up tomorrow in Hell. :evil: |
Jerry Falwell is dead
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I commented first in the sooooo thread. So there. ;) I didn't think he deserved his own thread.
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For people like Jerry Falwell and Tammy Faye Messner (nee Bakker, nee LaValley) I sometimes like to imagine that there is an afterlife so that they can learn how wrong they were. But then I figure that if there is an afterlife then it is just as likely that they were right, which would suck.
So, in the end I don't imagine it. But rather I'll just say that Mr. Falwell, was a prominent figure in one of the last half centuries great malignant social movements and to the extend I am sanguine about any body's death, he'd make the list. The several days of lionization on the theory that it is wrong to speak truthfully of the dead will be a hard pill to swallow. |
Buh-Bye Jerry
You should never say bad things about the dead, you should only say good… - |
Jerry Falwell Dead
Yup dead sack of rotting meat or called home depending.
So is it unseemly to experience glee at your political and religious polar opposites shuffling off the mortal coil? Perhaps but don't let that stop you. :p |
Hey, did you hear the one...
about how Jerry Falwell is dead?
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Say what you will about the man . . .
Well, go ahead. I like to think of him reunited with his mother in an outhouse up in heaven. |
Who?
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I have to say, I'm really enjoying the threads on FARK.
Jerry Falwell found unresponsive on office floor, taken to Lynchburg Hospital and MSNBC reporting Jerry Falwell condition downgraded to dead |
I wonder what he did to piss off God.
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You people are ignoring the other important new!
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Paris Hilton never blamed me for 9/11. Mr. Falwell actively courted my hatred.
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You know, I really don't want him going to hell. Because if I'm going to hell I really don't want to spend eternity listening to him.
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although if thats true, I envy you. :snap: |
Threads merged.
He's still dead. |
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<sings the Smurf song and does the happy dance with life-size Tink-Winky "action figure">
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Like Ponine and SacTown, I had no clue who this guy was till a moment ago. Long story short, he was a TV evangelist and a prick.
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Ya know, the more learn about this guy, the less I want to know. I'm happy the world is rid of him but I'm sad that he didn't live long enough to realize the error of his ways. If he (of all people) gets into heaven, I think we are all home free. If he doesn't, I'm sure Satan has a nice, warm cell waiting for him in the O.J. Simpson wing of hell. C'est La Vie. :cool: |
How could you not know who Jerry Falwell was?!?
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That's funny. The Christ was a jew, too! Maybe that's why the anti-Christ has to also be a jew.
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Dont' forget the accordion music.
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I have never been as informed as this particular group of friends has made me in my lifetime. And I dont read the obvious politicial or news threads. I couldnt tell you why we're fighting in other countries, or a great many things. I should be blonde, because thats what I know about the world. I just dont comment on those types of topics, and people think I am more informed than I am. Though the things I do know about, I know a lot. :p |
I just remembered a bumper sticker I had on my ancient Toyota.
"The Moral Majority is Neither". |
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She gets to learn a new word. "Consequences"
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I heard that in preparation for her time in jail, she's learning karate. And up to seven other Japanese words.
Oh, and Jerry Falwell was a fvcker. |
KAWAII!!!!!
She can say that when she's being rammed up the ass with a billy club. |
God, I'm in a forgiving mood today!
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Haha, if there is a Hell, he's sitting in it. I'm just glad he no longer exists. Unfortunately, death does not undo legacy.
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I should learn to keep my mouth shut, but I just totally grave danced on this issue.
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Growing up for some reason my dad had a televangelist thing. He'd watch them on Sundays before sports. He wasn't at all religious so I'm not sure of the appeal. Sometimes to make fun of them and point out their hypocrisy. So I’ve watched hundreds of hours, although I don’t really remember a lot of it. Honestly they always seemed a bit cultish – which most religion is to some extent anyway.
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Paris Hilton should work out a deal with Disney to due her jail time on the LuminAria island in California Adventure. The slogan would be " DCA: That's hot! " |
We were at breakfast (Denny's, of course) when the news alert came over Eric's phone. The alert said Falwell had collapsed and they were performing CPR on him. We both laughed and resumed eating our breakfast. Then, as we were getting ready to leave, there was another alert announcing his demise. We laughed, did a little grave dancing and left the waitress a big tip.
Just seemed appropriate. |
I find nothing more reassuring & comforting then the Book Of Psalms. I find it to be the most useful tool in moments of conflict & doubt (although I need to read my Bible much more & put it into practice.)
Here is some solace: (Partial Psalm 32) Fret not thyself because of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. (And by green herb, I seriously doubt that the Almighty Lord is referring to a dimebag of Kush, so for those about to spark up your bong or doob in celebration, settle down. You have a few hours to pass until 4:20.) ;) |
May some of the intolerance he created die with him.
Good Riddance, Teletubbie hater. |
So nice to know I can count on people for a certain amount of being hateful human beings.
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Some people just deserve to be hated more than others.
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I did not like him either- but it makes me sad to see people find glee in someones death. |
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There are certain people who really are better off dead - for the good of the rest of us. He is one of the few people in contemporary society that I can truly say I have felt hate for. I don't hate him any less now that he is dead, I'm just glad he is not longer able to spew any more of his BS from his pulpit. |
There is no lack of BS spewed in this world
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No there is not- there has been more than enough hate and bile spewed out in the last day to more than make up for the occasional stupid thing that man said that made it into the media.
I have no love for him either- but that does not, IMO, make the grave dancing the right thing to do. Bottom line- just as people have expressed their "hate" as classless and unpleasant as I find it, I am going to state my opinion that it makes people less when they revel in hatred. |
Just because someone has died does not make them a better person. The man was a creep, and I am not unhappy he's dead. The world is a better place without him.
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Mama says, if you haven't got anything nice to say... you shouldn't say anything at all.
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Feel the love.
I love that his voice was silenced. I love that even though lots of bad people are out there saying naughty things, one famous mouthpiece of hate speech is gone. Flowers and rainbows. Love love love. |
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It's distasteful. I felt the same with Anna Nicole died and people were popping happy pills and shredding her. It's how I feel- no matter the person. YOU think the world is a better place- but to be blunt- you don't determine for anyone but yourself what makes the world better. Ya know what's funny- if a liberal died- whose politics and ideals I loathed- I would not do what I have seen here and other places. I wonder what would happen if I did- how much shyt I would get for it. If I ever do, feel free to call me on my double standard- but I find todays displays disgusting. |
Damn straight- and I determine I am happier in a world without that pompous, self-righteous prick in it.
" Ya know what's funny- if a liberal died- whose politics and ideals I loathed- I would not do what I have seen here and other places. I wonder what would happen if I did- how much shyt I would get for it. If I ever do, feel free to call me on my double standard- but I find todays displays disgusting. __________________" Whatever. Not buying into this one today. I'm simply too happy to. |
spiffy- I am glad you find joy in your hate.
Excuse me- I have had enough of the "tolerant" people for the night. |
Thank God.
(And you thought I wasn't religious!) |
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I am not happy at the passing of a human being. I am glad that a person who would say these things is now silenced:
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What a nice man, eh?
Bet he's pissed he missed the Rapture. |
But wait... there's more:
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I've got a lack of emotion either way to be honest with you. As far as I'm concerned, the "Teletubby" controversy was the only time I ever heard his name...and to be honest with you, I thought he was full of crap!
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I don't find glee in his death. If you'd asked me this morning if he should die, I'd have said no, just that he is a horrible human being.
I am not sad or happy he has died, but I do think the world is improved some small amount by his not being in it. By his reckoning he is in a better place. By the reckoning of a lot of people he is now finding out how how wrong he was. By my reckoning he was wrong but will never know it. I personally don't buy into the notion that strangers need speak only respectfully or not at all of a person when they've died. The passing of a public figure is a moment in time for considering the life of that person. Falwell's was seriously lacking in merit so far as I'm concerned and I'll say so. Similarly, when Nixon died it did not change my opinion of him, nor when Carter dies will I suddenly wax nostalgic for what a great president he was. And if Chris Columbus dies tomorrow I'll spend the day talking about just what a horrible director of movies he was. If, on net, your existence was a negative for the planet (in my opinion) then that is how my obitualizing of you will read. |
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Long live Larry Flint!
I heard Fallwell had a Hustler in one hand and a bottle of wild Turkey in the other when the found him.... :p |
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But I tell you the truth, I would pay for a front-row seat near the gates of Hell on the day the Fred (God Hates ...) Phelps clan arrive for eternal damnation. Probably arriving in their stupid van, thinking they're going to a soldier's funeral or something. Nope, Fred and family -- 'tis Hell. You had the Jesus thing ass-backwards. Have a good day. Ah, now that would be the spice ... |
For the record, I'm well aware of who Jerry Falwell
My "who?" post was a joking response to Alex starting a thread asking if we'd heard the one about Falwell dying. Alex started his thread as a larf after three other threads about this glorious event had been started. I only wish I had never heard of Falwell. Now you know. (Oh yeah, sodomites were the reason for 9/11 -- makes total sense to me.) |
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People are minimized by hatred. Falwell was, as is anyone else. I hate to see people glory in such a horrible thing. |
Ok- one more thing - someone else who said it well-
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Didn't he also say The Gays were responsible for Katrina and the damage to NO? Or was that the general "sin" of the area?
And to that I always wondered, if NO was damaged because of the "sin" in the area, why in the heck is Vegas still standing? It's nicknamed Sin City! |
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Because, by his own belief system, if it turns out he was wrong, then he is most definitely in hell now. If he was right then most of the rest of us are already in hell. By I don't so much dislike the man for the "occasional stupid thing that man said" as his power waned over the last 20 years but rather for the movement he started 40 years ago. The politicization of the evangelical community is, in my opinion, the worst thing to happen the United States since the end of Jim Crow. And he was a primary promoter of that. Whether he thought the anti-Christ a Jew is just trivia (and, if you buy into the mythology of the Bible then it strikes me as a perfectly tenable belief). |
I believe it was Pat Robertson that blamed NO for the hurricane.
As for the last question, despite all his omnipotence, it is clear that God is a lazy schmuck. It took him a couple centuries to get around to cleansing New Orleans so Vegas is probably safe for another 150 years or so. Or it could be that Satan outfoxed him by placing Vegas is a tectonically stable area out of range of hurricanes. This will force God into going old school with literal fire and brimstone and he just doesn't roll that way anymore. He's gone ambiguous. |
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God has sent The Trashcan Man to Vegas to burn it down.
God and Randall Flagg are the same guy, right? |
I just realized what I wrote above is easily misread as saying that "the end of Jim Crow" was the last worst thing to happen before the politicization of the Evangelical community. Of course, I meant the Jim Crow system was the bad thing and it was ongoing until it ended.
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That means the lieutenant on Law & Order: Criminal Intent was god!
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Falwell blamed 9/11 on "the pagans and the abortionists and the feminists and the gays and the lesbians" [that] had tried to transform America into a secular society. |
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The notion of a Jerry Falwell/Larry Flynt travelling circus reminds me of the scene from Woody Allen's "Celebrity," where the orthodox rabbi arrives late to the green room of a Jerry Springer-like show where the hate spewers are standing around talking about their agents. The rabbi's first reaction upon walking in is to look at the spread that's put out and complain, "The skinheads always eat all the bagels."
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Can we take this bitter bitch fest to the parking lot or something?
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Her brother, yes.
(Um, which used to come right after Kevy's question whether Randall was related to Fanny ... before the bitter bitch fest from the Soooo thread was moved here, and intervened chronologically in an otherwise orderly progression of posts and responses.) |
No. The Hell thread is in Daily Grind ... where I'm presuming the "she" being discussed can't post.
A link would have been nice, but please stand by while I go searching for the offending posts by "her." |
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Please move them to the Hell thread .... and, hey, how did you do that???
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I find it distasteful. I can appreciate putting his words and actions into perspective like Kevy did, I can appreciate the rational comments from Alex. I frankly don't give a shyt about the fact that WB feels some need to personally denigrate me, I can at least respect Lisa for her honesty even if I don't agree. But for my personal taste I have found the response- here and other places, to only add to the negatve rather than find anything that lifts people up. |
There's an "anti-memorial" planned for next Tuesday in the Castro.
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Though a step removed, I do find that just as tasteless as Phelps funerals for gay people.
There is a distinction between acknowledging that the world has one less bad person in it and having a party to celebrate the death of a hated one (which, even if they don't use the word "party" or "celebrate" is what it is). |
I'll freely admit to hating the man, and have no qualms or feeling of hypocrisy. It may be the same word, but there's a world of difference in my eyes between the hatefulness I accuse him of (namely encouraging people to hate wide swaths of people based on prejudgment) vs. the hate I've he's engendered from me (hating an individual for the actions for which that individual is responsible).
Homonyms are tricky things. |
I agree with you there, Alex.
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Just in case there's any confusion, I moved the related items out of the Soooo thread and into this more appropriate forum and thread, as things were getting heated.
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But, seriously, where are the homonyms here? |
Which one of those do we eat at Purim?
GD? Anyone? |
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But which tastes better?
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The apricot. Definitely the apricot.
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Prune.
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Will all of the Jewish men please stand up. ;)
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This thread has become an unreadable clusterf*ck.
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Any suggestions?
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Yes,
Don't become a TV evangelist! |
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Sand is not a lubricant. |
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Don't forget tacos and packages.
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Tee Hee, there's a Pink Taco opening within a block of my office in July! Can't wait!
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Out of curiosity since there seems to have been some deep communal psychological need to do so.
Why did you all wait until the conversation was moved to the appropriate place to try and derail it? |
Hey look, a balloon!
(I think it was because it was going to quickly devolve into a discussion of moderating policy. If anyone wants to discuss that be my guest, but it bores me) |
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I don't think there was a conscious decision to derail. I just saw an opportunity for a Purim joke, and I took it.* The thread devolved from there, but anyone's free to discuss the life and times and eternal damnation of Jerry.
*Opportunities for Purim jokes don't grow on trees, ya know. |
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Clusterfig.
As for the examples of hate shown on the board, I myself called Dead Jerry Falwell a "turd" and a "fvcker." Dead Jerry Falwell was the founder of the Moral Majority, an intolerant aand hateful group of people if ever there was one. Dead Jerry Falwell's many hateful quotes have been catalogued here already. Honestly, Nephy, the man verbally attacked (and probably inspired more than a few physical attacks) the very people you spend your vacations with. Can you even imagine the bile he would have spewed regarding your attendance at a Wiccan wedding ceremony? A couple of years ago, when visiting my grandmother in Joplin, MO, my brother, my mother, and I went to church with grandma. Since it was Mother's Day, grandma thought we should go to her other daughter's church so we could all be together. The Church At The End Of The Paved Road (not it's real name) was pleasant enough, surrounded by cow pastures, and at least a 20 minute walk from the highway. It wasn't long before a typical midwest thunderstorm kicked in to add atmospheric value to the proceedings. The pulpit's Mother's Day message consisted mostly of slams at Rosie O'Donnell's recent adoptions, that horrible woman Hillary Clinton, and digs at Ellen "Degenerate." I sh!t you not. For 30 minutes I had to sit quietly and listen to hate and venom spewing from this idiot's mouth. At the end of the service, my brother passed close to me and said brightly, "I feel for ya!" At that moment I needed that bit of levity. Now, for anyone reading this, you might think, "Why didn't you go out to the lobby and wait? Or go get a Starbucks? Or anything?" We were sitting about dead center of the (quonset hut) sanctuary, had I gone to the lobby, 2 or 3 of the helpful farm folk would have accompanied me to "make sure I was okay." Any conversation would have turned bad quickly. Oh, and the church was in the middle of nowhere, and there was that thunderstorm. Better to sit and bite my tongue. It was a little later that I found out we had not gone to my grandma's regular church, but, more than likely for my benefit, to a church where she knew I'd get an earful. I have no tolerance for the likes of Falwell, Phelps, or any of their ilk. While I would not hold a gun to his head, and I'd probably help him out of the way of a speeding bus, I certainly think its swell that Dead Jerry Falwell is dead. Hip-hip-hooray!!!! As for the anti-funeral, not the same as the Phelps klan showing up AT and disrupting funerals they haven't been invited to. |
My little niece took a big smelly crap in her dipper and it somehow reminded me of this thread.
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Well, pick a public figure who is constantly and loudly anti-Jewish, and consider the same circumstances.
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But even a get-together celebrating anyone's death is, in my opinion, crude and ill-advised. People have a right to do so, but I think it is in extremely poor taste. I hated the crap that Falwell (and his ilk) perpetuated and I am happy that his voice is silenced (although I suspect that nature will fill this vacuum in a possibly even worse way), but I am not happy at the death of a person. |
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While i am happy his rhetoric will cease, I'm not willing to spend my time "celebrating" his death. He's not worth it.
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Is Yassir Arafat influencing anti-Jewish social policy in America? You and Jen are married, right?
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After reading my last post I realized I should dial it down a little. In no way can I compare Falwell and ant-gay sentiment to genocidal world leaders.
That said, not only am I happy to celebrate the death of a horrible person, but, if I should ever find myself in the vicinity of his actual grave, I will gladly piss on it. |
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What about just one verse and chorus of "Ding! Dong! The Witch is Dead."?
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OK, but shouldn't we change the lyrics to "Tinkie! Winkie! The Witch is Dead"?
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My... You've all been busy whill I've been working! ;)
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The man? Glad we won't be hearing any more crap from him. Not in a "Damn, crack open a bottle of wine" way... more like a "Cool, I don't have to do laundry this weekend" kinda way. Won't miss him. Didn't spend any time thinking about him anyway, except when forced. I wrote that guy off back in college when I believed.
Celebrations? Ick! What kind of society are we becoming? |
Well, as ridiculous as the Ozians were portrayed in "Wicked" for their ding-dong celebrations ... I rather lean towards "The Wizard of Oz" where those who were harmed or oppressed by the Wicked Witch of the East were rightful (not to mention entertaining) in breaking out into song and dance to rejoice at her demise.
As a gay man, a liberal, a secularist and a feminist ... a hearty chorus of "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" is exactly the dance I'm going to do .... but I'll stop short of doing it on the man's grave, marring his funeral rights, or dancing in the face of grieving loved ones. Here on the LoT, though, I don't imagine much love lost at the loss of Jerry Fallwell ... and he does not deserve to fall well, but far. . |
You see the face on the TV screen coming at you every Sunday see that face on the billboard that man is me On the cover of the magazine there's no question why I'm smiling you buy a piece of paradise you buy a piece of me I'll get you everything you wanted I'll get you everything you need don't need to believe in hereafter just believe in me Cos Jesus he knows me and he knows I'm right I've been talking to Jesus all my life oh yes he knows me and he knows I'm right and he's been telling me everything is alright I believe in the family with my ever loving wife beside me but she don't know about my girlfriend or the man I met last night Do you believe in God cos that's what I'm selling and if you wanna get to heaven I'll see you right You won't even have to leave your house or get outta your chair you don't even have to touch that dial cos I'm everywhere And Jesus he knows me and he knows I'm right I've been talking to Jesus all my life oh yes he knows me and he knows I'm right well he's been telling me everything's gonna be alright Won't find me practising what I'm preaching won't find me making no sacrifice but I can get you a pocketful of miracles if you promise to be good, try to be nice God will take good care of you just do as I say, don't do as I do I'm counting my blessings, I've found true happiness cos I'm getting richer, day by day you can find me in the phone book, just call my toll free number you can do it anyway you want just do it right away There'll be no doubt in your mind you'll believe everything I'm saying if you wanna get closer to him get on your knees and start paying Cos Jesus he knows me and he knows I'm right I've been talking to Jesus all my life oh yes he knows me and he knows I'm right well he's been telling me everything's gonna be alright, alright Jesus he knows me Jesus he knows me, you know... |
No hatred here. While I didn't like his tactics, He had just as much right to speak his mind as we do here. Even Larry Flint and him had an admiration for one another. (they would often travel and debate at colleges).
"The Reverend Jerry Falwell and I were arch enemies for fifteen years. We became involved in a lawsuit concerning First Amendment rights and Hustler magazine. Without question, this was my most important battle – the l988 Hustler Magazine, Inc., v. Jerry Falwell case, where after millions of dollars and much deliberation, the Supreme Court unanimously ruled in my favor. My mother always told me that no matter how much you dislike a person, when you meet them face to face you will find characteristics about them that you like. Jerry Falwell was a perfect example of that. I hated everything he stood for, but after meeting him in person, years after the trial, Jerry Falwell and I became good friends. He would visit me in California and we would debate together on college campuses. I always appreciated his sincerity even though I knew what he was selling and he knew what I was selling. The most important result of our relationship was the landmark decision from the Supreme Court that made parody protected speech, and the fact that much of what we see on television and hear on the radio today is a direct result of my having won that now famous case which Falwell played such an important role in."Source: accesshollywood.com I like the quote in bold. Honestly, I have not thought of Falwell in years, neither alive nor dead. While he did nothing for me, and even frustrated me with his views at times, he definitely touched many lives and enriched them. R.I.P Jerry only you know if you were right. |
I heard on the radio this morning the Phelps clan is planning on protesting at Falwell’s funeral… :rolleyes:
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Christopher Hitchens talks Falwell with Hannity, Colmes and Reed
http://youtube.com/watch?v=doKkOSMaTk4 |
Is this thread still going?
Falwell's death is like, SO last Tuesday. |
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Won't be celebrating, won't be missing him either - sad truth is there's legions just like him who continue his works.
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I agree with Hitchens but if you aren't familiar with his views, he is pretty much as vitriolic about any religion and religious position.
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Right on. Thanks, GC!
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Audios to just another politician. Won't miss the scumbag one bit.
BUH bye. |
"Oui, madame, I understand you are on ze diet, but ze chef, he inseest on TWO cherries. Bon appetit!"
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"Zut alor! I have meesed ze nuts!"
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While I appreciate this grand bit of irony that proves what a ridiculous self-feeding spiral of hate evangelism/zealotry is, the thought of these assholes compounding people's grief by disrupting a funeral, no matter whose funeral it is, still makes me ill.
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Okay, now I feel bad for his family (well, I kinda did before, but I really do now).
OTOH, damn I love irony. He's too liberal for them???????? Oh wait, they're just mad because he disapproved of them, buahahahah! |
This gets better and better.
Sorry, but when your loved one is a lightning bolt for controvery, you have a private burial. Better yet, cremation with secret sprinking of ashes. |
Does that go for prominent gay activists? Who are also lightning bolts for controversy, just controversy we disagree with?
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No, I think it goes for all controversial corpses, if the loved ones wish to have a dignified burial. Private and secret.
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