Why is Heroes so awesome? Warning-Spoilers!
 

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I tried watching it - didn't really like it at all.

1. Because the writing is reasonably good.

2. Because it maintains the feeling that it is moving toward something, that the destination has been known since the beginning and isn't being made up as they go along (I have no idea how true that is).

3. Because, so far, the writing has provided revelations at the same pace as revealing new mysteries. Many shows that try to maintain suspense over a long period just pile on the confusion.

I beg to differ on the writing. IMO, the writing on the show is incredible - as are many of the cast.

OMG, i was going to do a thread on this show... But this show rocks.. I never feel like there is much time during the hour.. The show is great!!

I am just eager to see what the hell are they going to do with Sylar!

This is a show that I love but I will have to catch up during the summer. My lust for Keifer made me forget all about it :(

Cant wait for next season.. well Heroes has a spin off starting this summer..

http://www.comicbookresources.com/ne...m.cgi?id=10546

All I know is that aside from being an incredible time sink, I'm so glad I decided to go online to catch up on all the episodes.

I don't watch TV. Shows that get an incredible amount of buzz from people whose opinions I trust and usually share ... I rent on DVD, and watch an entire season at once. I cannot go week to week with series any longer, but I do have the patience to wait until the DVDs are released.


I WILL be renting Heroes as soon as it's available.

Oh crap. I just saw the future episode.

Shock and complete awe.

iSm: Don't buy into me right now. I'm just all weird and stoked, and would hate to get anyone's hopes up. It's just been a long time since I've found a series that I've been able to get into this much. It could suck, for all I know... but I could care less.

BWAHAHAHA!

(I do have to thank NBC for putting it all up there. Though it's tiresome to see the same product advertised 6 times, it's less time than the normal commercial break, and I can catch up on the boards a minute at a time.)

I really wanted to like it, and I watched the first few episodes, but I just couldn't get into it.

oh, believe me, erica, you are like the 40th person whose opinions I trust to have raved about this show.



(As for the tiresome commercials, that's one of the big sell points about just waiting for the DVDs)

I love HEROES! Haven't missed an episode since it started.
Mousepod and I discuss it all the time.

If you get a chance, read the Heroes Graphic Novels available on NBC.com. They add a little more to the story..things that might not make it into the show.
If anyone wants, they can access the Graphic novels 1-31 combined (Caution: 390MB file) via FEJSEZ.COM

Its funny because I love the show and I know many people who love it too. But I am surprised I know some comic sci fi geeks that didnt get into it.. I think its has a great story and it combines it's characters in such cool ways, for me its like watching a comic book come to life...

I was looking at some pics for next week's finale.. I think Niki and Jessica are going to split in two.. Some pics show them fighting each other.. unless its that girl that can make herself into other people.. she is a major biotch... (dig her powers)

I had no interest until I read that Chris Eccleston would be guest starring. Even if he's only in a couple of episodes, I will now have to watch the show from the beginning when it's out on DVD. I try not to miss a good Chris Eccleston fix when presented with one.

He's very good in the show.

Now that I'm all caught up, filled in the gaps from the few episodes I saw before... I am certain I'll watch the whole thing front to end again. It was nice to do it so quickly and at my whim.

It makes me want to crack open my Season 1 "24" again. Relive the good old days of Jack Bauer (I had to stop watching after the 3rd season).

And bearded! Shazaaaaaaaam!

Hehe, I like him with the beard.

Christopher Eccleston was also great as Dr. Who, when he played the title role for the updated british version in season 1...

His character on Heroes is awesome as well.. I hope to see him back again on the show...

Oh, I know it. I know it! Man, was I bummed he only signed on for one season.

I am probably going to tune in at 8PM. Just got home. I'll pretend to study while staring at the television.

its good to see the show in order... I am so going to buy the box set when it comes out....

I'm about 97.4% sure (and 3.6% too lazy to double check right now) that Entertainment Weekly said in the DVD set, they intend to include "episodes" based on character story arcs. So, you'd see all the Hiro parts as an "episode." All the Peter parts as an "episode." And so on and so forth.

Sounds awesome to me.

Wow, going through the episodes its really cool how this show progressed in one season. The show did not drag, they introduced all the characters and progressed the story so it really felt like this is more than the first season!

That reaction on Claire's face when she found out her Biological Dad (Nathan) could fly was priceless....

It appears to me that the gene that gives them their powers seems to be herditary? I mean Clarie's bio parents, Nathan & Peter's mom and dad, Hiro's dad, Jes/Nikki & phantom guy... etc....

damn sylar is a good villian... have no idea how they are going to get rid of him!!!

I know, I'm soooo excited. Especially since - yes, there have been "answers" - as the promos say "nothing's written in stone." Hiro's time-traveling ability makes anything possibly different.

Not to say I want NYC to blow up, it would almost be cool if it happened in a predictable manner after all the adverts making it sound hopeful and different. Because... that might be almost unpredictable.

EGADS! I can't wait for Monday night!

Hiro's time traveling, while cool, is my most likely candidate for "what will eventually ruin the show."

While it makes anything possible, it also means that if ever backed into a corner it will be easy to use the equivalent of "and it was all a dream" to go back and do it again.

Impactful time travel is full of paradoxes and eventually will
accumulate enough baggage to be a serious problem.

I guess I never looked at it in the "just a dream" sense, and you're very right.



I think the baggage is interesting, and it's possible to parlay such baggage into its own element of the story.

Also, I'm going to warn of spoilers. I just realized that there's some spoilerage going on in here.

I agree. I'm not saying it has ruined anything. Just that if anything so far built into the show is the seed of eventual ruination I think that is it.

Hiro's attempts to make things right by manipulating things through time is interesting, but potentially renders the many other storylines less interesting for being completely malleable in the future. "Oh, we probably shouldn't have done that in episode X because now we want to do Y. So let's just have Hiro go back and change it."

As much as I do like Hiro as a character, I hope he doesn't "fix" everything. Flaws and misery make stories. They should give just enough hope to make you think "maybe" but some element of failure needs to be sown in to keep it all moving.

I hope Heroes can continue to have good writers, at least for a few seasons.

I think Hiro has alot to go through before he starts to "fix" things. I mean he couldnt save the memory girl that he fell for in Texas. When he went back and spent time with her.

I am still waiting to see Hiro go back into the past to fight the dinosaur that Issac painted a while back...

What I do think is cool as well is that Peter has Hiro's powers so he might be the one who might be doing the "fixing"...

Well, if nothing else, the season finale taught us that Hiro was somehow involved in the inspiration for The Ring.

HaHa

I was surprised by some things and impressed by it overall.

Kick. Ass.

Concur!

Indeed!

Parkman really needs to get better at his power.

I was really hoping for a more epic conclusion but not getting it I am still pretty happy with it.

Alex, you absolutely made my night.

As soon as the final shot was shown, Lani and I simultaneously said Ringu! (The Japanese title of the original version of The Ring).

And Lani was distracted at the moment when Hiro cursed and it was translated as "^&*(" so she can't tell me what, if anything, he really said.

And as soon as Hiro looked up and saw the soldiers on horseback, I turned to Heather and said "Evil Dead II!"

So many great pop culture references that are hidden just enough to not be overt and icky (do you hear me, writers of Shrek?).

Lani thought so too so no "all Asians look alike" jokes.

He sure did to me, Alex.

Well, Alex... No Asians look alike to me ;)... I wonder what this may hold.

I will have to go back and look at the end again today.
I was laughing because I was trying to remember where I had seen that type "eclipse" and that was it. (I love Ringu)

I will state one disappointed nitpick with the ending.



On Fej's comments (can we jsut spoiler tag this thread so we can stop talking in spoilers?)



I also really hope that most of the apparent dead stay that way since nothing sucks worse than that kind of trickery and back door gimmicks.

I put the spoiler tag in the title, so it is open game here in the thread.
I think that only works for people he has touched before if I remember. He hasn't got to Peter before, so I don't think it would work.

I do to. Also with Nathan gone it does open up a huge power struggle/story arc they can use. I wonder if Sylar will come back with his powers somehow retarded or misaligned. I was suprised Hiro did not circle around and decapitate him.

That falls into my "power struggle theory. I think Hiro's dad is part of it also.

Same here. Now unless it is revealed that Nathan is like Superman (maybe where Claire got her powers) then he should be dead or severely burned. (he did not seem to melt or clothes burn when he grabbed Peter)



My lead at work brought up an important point also:

Peter can fly...why didn't he just do it himself?
Also, did Sylar full himself to the manhole? or did someone else get him?

I also did a recap/ observation on my blog http://www.fejsez.com A lot of it was put here, but I just rattled away there.

Heather and I talked about the "Why didn't Peter fly?" question. She thinks that at that point, he had completely lost control of his powers, trying to focus on not exploding. I'll buy that.

As far as "the dead stay dead" rule, I'm wondering who you consider dead. Other than the non-super Thompson (Eric Roberts), I think all bets are off. They made it clear that Peter should be able to survive the blast (at least his mother said so to Claire); we never saw Nathan either holding on to or letting go of Peter; Linderman is a healer.

What I really liked about "Volume I" is that it does play like a good comic book arc, or, in TV terms, like a season of Buffy The Vampire Slayer, with one "big bad" per season.

I'm with Heather on why Peter didn't fly.

While things can't come back peachy keen, I do think Peter survived. Also, it seems like the heroes can transfer their power to others by touching them, perhaps Nathan can even heal because Peter was touching him (as I think mp is alluding to). However, Peter's real power is that he's a sponge, so I wonder how that could play off.


Linderman better be dead. You don't get to heal when your brain has been turned into applesauce. That's just my opinion.

Is that right? Didn't he block Parkman's telepathy in the bar before they'd touched? And if it is required, both the Haitian and Peter were at the paper company at jail at the same time following the "save the cheerleader" episode.

So the Haitians true role in things is a mystery. The original invisible man (can't remember his name, trained Peter) is a mystery.

And the way Charles Duveaux was talking it sure felt like the explosion was intended to "save the world" from something much more specific and dangerous than just a general societal malaise. So there is still room for it to turn out that the pro-explosion people really were working towards the overall best result (allowing a more minor tragedy to avoid a much bigger one).


Of course, if that turns out to be the case (and from a pure physics standpoint it would have to be to explain how Nathan can withstand the intertial forces achievable with his flying (when he escaped from Linderman's goons in Vegas he went from a dead stop to sonic boom in essentially zero feet), then that means Peter has the same power.


People I consider dead:

Eric Roberts
Isaac
Charles Devereaux
Linderman (since he didn't somewhat immediately heal I expect him to really be dead)
Any of the people killed by Sylar
The Patrelli dad
Mohinder's Dad (though I guess he is in the Sylar category)

I watched Heroes this morning online, since i actually couldnt watch it last night. Okay, it was a great episode.. I loved how they introduced Vol.2 at the end of the show.

I do think Peter is not dead. Nathan probably threw him in the sky away from him.

Of course Sylar is dead, right? Not.

I'm surprised, most of the people I've spoken about the episode with outside of here have expressed pretty strong disappointment with it.

Underwhelming, somewhat anticlimactic ending. No real payoff.

Pretty much they just seem to feel it ended on a fizzle.

Thank you! I admit that I, too, was expecting more of a.. "bang". What I mean by that I have no idea, but I just expected something gasp-inducing during the final showdown.

For all of the havoc Sylar caused, he seemed to be defeated so quickly. I kinda wanted more of a fight, a battle. I dig Sylar. I hope this isn't the last we see of him. Personally, I would have liked to have seen Niki kick his ass a little more. I love her!

All in all, I was satisfied with the ending, and I can't wait to see what next season (and Origins) holds! :snap:

This occurred to me, too. Then I remembered I wasn't watching Highlander.

Here are the questions I had after the finale:

• Why did Nathan have to fly Peter up into the sky? Peter can fly.
  (okay, this one has been reasonably answered in this thread)
• What happened to Nathan that caused him to grow a pair and decide to save his brother?
• Why the HELL didn't they make sure Silar was dead?
• If Parkman was taken away by ambulance, why wasn't Silar's body too?
• If Silar's body was already gone by the time the ambulance arrived, how did they at least not notice the HUGE blood smear leading to the sewer?
• What was that thing crawling down the edge of the sewer cap? It looked like a slug to me.
• Does mother Petrelli have a power? Is it the ability to bend people (or her sons) to her will?
• Who is the super bogeyman who can see Molly when she thinks about him? Have we already seen this character or is it forthcoming?
• Did the Petrelli boys really die?
• Why did Hiro end up so far in the past? He's gotten pretty good with his powers, that seems like pretty poor teleport.

1. I agree that the answer in this thread seems the best answer.
2. I assume it was Claire's speech but relying on the last second evil/good switch is a bit of a lame device. Possibly, though, also knowing that Linderman was taking care of made him remember his initial good intentions.
3. I don't know.
4. Since absolutely everybody else in that genetic line seems to have one, and she is a powerful player in whatever group this is, I'd have to say yes.
5. I don't know.
6. A cockroach.
7. I don't know, but I like the idea that maybe he was involved in the answers to 3 and 5.
8. I hope so.
9. He's gotten better but in all the recent situations where he used it well it was a point he had time to concentrate on what he wanted to do. In this one he just had to leave without time to formulate a plan.

Oh, and for Sylar we also have to keep in mind that we have no idea what all of his powers are. He killed quite a few Heroes off screen and before the show began where we don't know what those people could do.

If, for example, he is turning into that cockroach that has been seen both times he was thought dead, that presumably came from some unknown kill. Also, cockroaches are a symbol of indestructibility.

And, from what I understand, New York City.

About Sylar.... I was thinking about the same thing, I mean the cops & feds showed up took parkman away.. etc, etc and sylar's body was dragged to the sewer system... I suppose they will answer this question and the one about Nathan growing a set of balls....

Any guesses on Grandma Petrelli's powers?

Persuasion? (She seems to do a lot of persuading on the show, to which others end up agreeing with once she touches them)

She becomes a dominate, dramatic, always complaining and always bringing up the past and your shortcummings...

Oh wait, thats what regular mothers do!!!!

DVD Tomorrow!

I smell a marathon in my near future...

I was all ready to pick up the DVD until I found out that the HD-DVD version has exclusive extras. It's only on HD-DVD, not Blu-ray, which is the only Hi-def format that Disney is using. I refuse to buy two DVD players just to get all the movies I want (and the hybrid machines cost as much as two separate players). The end result is that I buy nothing for the time being.

Sorry for the rant - but this whole format war is bugging the heck out of me.

At this point I'm figuring that downloadable HD content is going to take hold before the HD-DVD/BluRay battle is ever resolved.

I'm sure we'd enjoy Heroes, but are already over-booked on the number of TV shows we watch, and that's before we even talk about trying to keep up with our Netflix queue.

I heard that next season will be an all new storyline with the same characters.

Anyone else hear that?

Just finished with the Season I DVD, and I have pretty much the same questions I did the first time. I have a few random nonsense questions, but other than that - no new questions.... the big one remains... What does Mama Petrelli do?

OK...I watch Prison Break, 24, Survivor, and Lost. Never seen Heroes. Except...

I happened to catch 45 minutes of an episode tonight where some burning man kidnaps a dad and his family and it seems as if the dad is some kind of scientist working for an organization that finds people with special abilities and experiments on them? Is that right? He's the dad of Claire, some sort of invincible girl and there was another mind reader guy there and some guy who could extract memories.

It intrigued me, certainly, even though I have no idea really what was going on. Wondering if it is worth my time to start watching. I'm also wondering if I would need to watch the entire first season on DVD prior to the premier on the 24th, or if I would be completely lost. I know if anyone started watching Lost now they'd have no idea what was going on without watching the first few seasons.

Thoughts?

anyone?

I have no idea.

It all depends on how much time in the early season is spent reintroducing characters and vital connections for whatever the central storyline for the season will be.

Hopefully they handle it somewhat gracefully (or we in trouble because the show can only lose viewers without gaining new ones) and I have no doubt that regardless it would be more fulfilling to know the entire back story from the first season.

Well, from what I understand is that it takes viewers back a generation, or to the origins of the "powers." I'm not sure how it's going to work out, but it will hopefully answer some questions I had from the first season. So, I think it'll be good for those who are new to Heroes and those who caught the first season.

There is also something about a 6 episode series that will fill the hiatus (and will hopefully show itself as a cure for the hiatus blues so many great shows have found in the last few years), bringing this next combined season to a happy 30 episodes, instead of 24.

Being that I loooooved the first season, and just re-watched it on DVD, I'd recommend picking it up - just because it's a damn good season. But, I don't think it will be 100% necessary, though perhaps helpful.