Aaaauuughh! (Bad plastic surgery)
 

My eyes! My eyes!

Bad Joan van Ark plastic surgery.

Why why why to people do this to themselves? Age gracefully. I mean, Mary Tyler Moore looks strange now as does Courtney Love, Joan Rivers and Dolly Parton.

Wow. Just. Wow.

So, here's something for discussion. Would you ever get plastic surgery?


(And, I'm glad I'm not a celebrity. The tabloids (US and UK) are just brutal.)

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Would I ever get plastic surgery? Probably not on my face unless I have had disfiguring scarring. Hell, I never even got a boob job post partial mastectomy, although I think about it now and then. I'm not opposed to plastic surgery, I think I'm just either too lazy or too comfortable with the way I am. But, give me a bottle of hair dye any day! Mascara and lipstick - yeah, baby! Permanent hair removal - if it wasn't so expensive, I'd be all over it. Toes MUST be polished.

I'm also lucky that I have decent skin. I may think differently if I had skin problems.

I would like to hear more about this particular one. To me the photos look like she is still recovering from some sort of work - her face still appears bruised overall.

I think surgery is up to the individual. Personally, I wouldn't do (why mess with perfection ;)), but it is up to each individual to decide (though for the most part, I do discourage it).

I prefer seeing people age gracefully - myself included. I don't mind my developing eye crinkles. The only (non-medical) plastic surgery I would consider is skin removal after naturally-lost weight.

Permanent hair removal? Yes.
Facial life? No.
Pec implants? No.
Eye bag surgery that lots of male celebs are getting? No.
Skin tag removal? Yes.

I mean, argh. And, yes, I think the photo is not touched up or anything and the lighting is really bad but... wow... poor Joan.

Nope. No way- I think growing old gracefully is truly more attractive than the taut, painful masks these people wind up with. Look at Kenny Rogers- he looks terrible, and he regrets having the procedure.

Wow. I just looked at a couple of Kenny pics. He doesn't even look like himself any more.

GC! Now you've gotten me reading this rag! I'm enjoying the commentary about which "small" men prefer.

I'd rather expend my energy toward becoming more pretty on the inside. :blush:

One of the office assistants is addicted to this site and sends me links all the time. It's an evil rag. But so very addicting...

Not to mention Katherine Crosby. Mickey Rourke don't look too good either.

I'd do it if it were for a medical purpose. Like re-construction or something. My grandmother had to have her eyelids fixed becuse the skin on them was becoming so heavy it was literally weighting down her lids and she was having trouble seeing. Stuff like that I can understand.

Otherwise I'm with the you deal with what you're born with camp.

Is there a surgery for that?

I suppose if I were to grow old disgracefully, I might reconsider. However, for the price of a lifted face, I could probably go on a sweet vacation. And, I have my priorities.

Unless I were disfigured in a car accident, not likely. I am what I am and am aging as I am. The gray hair gets colored, but everything else, whatever, I earned the crinkles around my eyes (mostly from laughing, too).

The O.P. will razz me for this ... but if I could afford it, I'd get rapidly-doubling chin removed in a heartbeat. (and some nose work while I'm at it -- if they'd give me a multiple cosmetic discount)

Great minds think alike.:D

Cosmetic soulgery. Of course, if you're really watching your weight, the extra 21 grams might be a deal breaker.

I almost put "I wish" but I actually don't wish for that... :)

I actually started having moles removed a few years ago, but as I aged I just decided the expense wasn't worth it (unless they start acting scary/pre-cancerous). I think it fits me to look rather witchy and unusual. People come in all colors, but not many of us have leopard spots!
:D

Yes.

Before...


After...

Bah, more of that "holistic medicine" hooey.

Visible LSPE mojo

Many moons ago, Joan van Ark was pretty. This is sad, really.

When you come out of surgery looking like Joan Rivers, don't come crying to me.
:D

I think you look fine. You're well preserved.
:)

Yes, there is.

If you come out of surgery looking like Joan Rivers, you won't be able to!

Yeah, that's a single guy hang out. Bring yourself, your bank statement and you're set

The spiders must have real fun with this joint.

Cool A vulva with lasers! or did I read that wrong?

Nope: that's pretty much it.

Also known as "Designa Vagina"

Sorry if I offend anyone but here's how I feel - plastic surgery purely for vanity purposes (not from being disfigured) is totally fvcked up in my book. It never, ever looks good. I know this is an especially awful example, but come on, show me one where you couldn't tell.

I was at a training conference recently, in a room with probably 200 people, and suddenly it occured to me - so many people dye their hair in colors that make it obvious that they dye their hair. Everywhere I looked, there were blondes with that odd shade that doesn't really exist, oddly chunky highlights, unnaturally red streaks. To me, I don't see pretty hair, I see the word FAKE HAIR written all over them. FAKE FAKE FAKE FAKE screams their heads. I know I'm in a minority on this, but I can't get over it. To me it's as crazy as Louis XIV powdered wigs.

I realize my border line is about permanency. If you put a ton of product in your hair and it can wash out, then I have no problem. If your hair is permanently dyed, and you keep dying it to maintain an "illusion" (um, if I can tell your hair could never naturally be that color, there's no illusion there) then that's crossed a line for me. It's funny though, because if you style your hair every day, isn't that just as fake, really? Odd how my brain works. Natural colors? Somehow I feel ok with that. I guess the measure is - can I tell at first glance?

Anyway - plastic surgery never looks right. And it always means you've cut into your own flesh to strip it off. I simply cannot believe how socially accepted this is. To me, it's a sci-fi nightmare turned reality.

iSm, you look fantastic for your age! You, of all people, do not need these shenanigans. :)

Well, I am not offended, but I have to say that I totally disagree with you.

First, what constitutes "being disfigured"? On one hand, if someone had a cleft palate or some other prominent facial disfiguration, I would assume this would in your book be acceptable for plastic surgery. But if the disfiguration was not impeding any senses, wouldn't the surgery be strictly "for vanity purposes?"

On the other side of the coin, what if someone felt that their eyelids drooped too much or they didn't like how their jowls hung down? If the surgery helped them feel better about themselves, why is this a negative thing?

A relative of ours has very small breasts. That in and of itself was not an issue, but they were very uneven in size. Bras never fit her right. So she had a breast augmentation, to not only even them out, but to give her just a little bit of boost.

And lastly, I completely disagree that "plastic surgery never looks right." Yes, there are a lot of bad jobs out there, but there are also a lot of very good jobs done. The thing is, if it is done right, unless you knew the person before the work, you would probably never know they had the work done. I know two people who had work done and had I not known what they looked like beforehand, I would never have known they had the work done.

I understand that plastic surgery is not for you. I'm cool with that and fully support it. But dismiss it for everyone else.

Demi Moore's Boobs.

I did it last year and I'd do it again in a heartbeat. It was for medical purposes, and since they were already doing it I had a bit of cosmetic correction done. And it did wonders for me.

If you're wondering, you're probably right. If you want to know, PM me.

God! I don't want to imagine how awful I'd look if I didn't dye my hair!

We all know you got a Designa Vagina!

I just realized that I have no idea what your natural hair color is.

Shh! It was a quasi-secret!

If I had the funds, and wasn't terrified of the recovery period, I would be all over the plastic surgery. With the exception of my feet, which for some reason I rather like, I'd change just about everything about my appearance. I've decided I can't fight against the pressure to have plastic surgery. Prevailing attitudes now are that if you can get it, you do. As it becomes easier - medically and financially - to "fix" one's appearance to be more socially acceptable, it's becoming more and more expected as well.

It is (or was) a sort of amber red brown with bits of honey blond in it. Now, there are large chunks of gray that are multiplying like maggots. I despise gray hair on me. I think there are a few people that can pull it off successfully, but I am not one of them. Besides, I like my current hair color and I like the fact that I can change it at will.

Also, it must be mentioned that plastic surgery is like totally painful.
I was born with a deviated septum. Basically, the divider in my nose was crooked and blocked off both nasal passages. It led to many sinus infections and 100% mouth breathing (not fun). So, I had it corrected.

It.
Freakin.
Sucked!

They packed my sinuses with gauze, they packed my nose with gauze and my face looked like it was beaten with a live tuna fish. It was not fun.
It made me pukey and miserable for about a week.

The end result was great. I can breathe through both nostrils, but the whole ordeal was terrible.

:)

Asa a hairstylist, obviously I'm down with the dye thing. Even if I wasn't a stylist, I see no problem with it. (And most people who do their hair in chunky stripes or off-colors want it to look fake- that's kind of the point. It's a fashion thing, nothing more). I wouldn't want plastic surgery because it's a bit more permanent and what if it went wrong? However, if I had a catastrophic accident or illness that caused disfigurement, I would be running to the surgeon's.

You're so vain

:D

I'm a person that would not likely go under the knife, but I'm chained to the dye-bottle. I won't apologize for it, though, because I'm just a weirdo. I like my pink hair, and I don't care how stupid it looks on a slightly fat going on 50-year-old. My secret goal is to freak young people out. It seems to be working!

Plastic Surgery Disasters is an awesome album.

I tend to place plastic surgery in the same category as tattoos, piercings, and other body modifications. People do things to change their appearance all the time - I'm just to fickle to do anything permanent. And while I may not like my graying, or weight gain, or other signs of aging, I pretty much accept them for what they are - battle scars of a life well lived (or so I hope).

It's probably unfortunate that we tend to see ourselves differently from the people who love us. When we look in a mirror our eyes are drawn to our flaws and give them an unnatural amount of attention.

Yeah, lot of gray area there. Guess my own take would be "is my disfiguration freakish?" Heh. I know I have a big nose, and my teeth aren't perfect. I have a sideways smile that sometimes comes out almost a growl in photos. (One set of my prom pics had me growling - my date was gracious enough to keep those.) But slice into my skin to change how I was born??? It would take some serious issues for me to feel this need.

I'd have to see an example, I guess. Even if it does look right, and I can't tell, I still think it's kinda sad. I know BTD had something done, and if it made her happier, then of course I can't say anything against her decision. For me personally....if I got to the point where I thought my own face, my bones, my genes were offensive to me.....I don't know what I'd do.

Are you kidding? Who is applying this pressure? Cosmo? Desperate Housewives? Some bitchy coworker? :confused: You're kidding, right?

People alter their bodies for all kinds of reasons. I tend to hold opinions on the reasons and not so much on the act.

In my close circle of friends I know a couple that have had cosmetic surgery and it was for reasons I can't really argue with and they're happier for it. I personally have twice used surgery to alter my body to better fit with my lifestyle choices.

Donatella Versace

Oh Mylanta!
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I just puked up things I don't recall eating, thanks JWBear :p

Okay, folks. Hold on to your potatoes!
 

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Since she posted about it, I have to say that BTD's surgery is completely unnoticeable. Had I not known her before, I would have never known she had anything done - I think her surgeon is to be applauded.

The other person I know is a non-LoTer, so you'll just have to trust me that her surgery looks good.

How are those pec implants working out for you?

Bo- "TOX" tends too scare me.:eek:

I had my soul removed with a real dull knife last year.. :evil:

They get me an extra stage session or two per week down at The Gold Club on Howard so I can't complain.

Men's calf implants are increasingly popular. ;)

Thank goodness, the one thing I don't need to worry about...
:D

How about Holstein implants?

It's funny you should say that... a few years ago, by chance I landed on MTV. (I stay away from it generally.) I bumped into a documentary about young people and plastic surgery, and it focused on a buff young guy who was getting calf implants.

The sad thing is that he treated the people around him like ****; he was misogynistic and crude. And he kept saying "women just aren't attracted to me because of my legs. These implants are going to make all the difference."

Yeaaaah, honey. It's your currently-muscular-but-not-huge calves that are turning people off, not the fact that you're one of the biggest assholes I've ever seen depicted on-screen. You keep believing that the calves are the problem.

On another surgical topic - I'm on the fence about gastric bypass surgery. Sure, it's done some good things for some people. The problem is that forced behavioral changes (i.e. can't overeat because it's impossible and will hurt if I try) don't always "take" as well as chosen behavioral changes (i.e. choose not to overeat because it's good for me.) As a result, I've seen some people who've had the surgery gain a lot of weight back when their tiny available portion of stomach stretches back out to the point that they can overeat again - and without developing the "choosing" skills based on will power as opposed to, say, pain... it has not looked, to me, like a long-term solution.

Plus, I find that you can "shrink" your stomach by yourself. Eating tiny frequent meals does it naturally. So, me? I'm not planning to get one. I will keep doing my best to make good choices and stay active. And if it ever becomes clear that my will power and good choices somehow lead to additional weight gain (since I've been about the same size for six years) or if I become immobile (as in the case of my mother with her auto-immune disease) I might consider it. For now, it seems like the wrong choice for me.

How did I not see this thread before?

I think what Joan Van Ark, Mary Tyler Moore, Joan Rivers, Kenny Rogers etc. have done is overboard. One can grow old without being a prune on one end or a caricatured freak on the other.

There are certain procedures I would like to have done though (though hopefully, nothing around the middle, I know diet and exercise can take care of that on me, and it's cheaper than a tummy tuck and lipo anyway). I'm not completely opposed to eventual Botox treatments. There are, however, certain things I find unattractive on me -- hair in various places that I'd like lasered, hair in other places that I would like put back, and for some reason I find having that crinkled skin in front the tragus on the ears unattractive. My dad has that, and if I did I would have it smoothed out somehow.

Joan Van Ark tho looks as bad as the cat lady.

There is also a former gay porn star who had massive amounts of plastic surgery to his face. He looks hideous now. I can't remember his name, so I can't search for pictures.

Wasn't that Nirvanaman?

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Check out Britt Eklund.
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What do you know, it only took 30 years but she finally achieved every young girls dream back in 1975 of one day being Dr. Joyce Brothers.

I have a client who comes in to where I work, and her face looks like plastic. It's really tight and her cheekbones stick out a lot. It's so creepy. She resembles the Joker (Jack Nicholson version) minus the green face make up. :eek:

I just saw Joan Van Ark too on a Knots Landing reunion interview, and she looks so scary. It's sad, because Donna Mills looked radiant, and poor Joan Van Ark looked horrid.

Last night I was in a Boston brasserie, and the woman next to me apologized about the bruises on her face making her look like a raccoon due to her recent face lift. She was a great character, obviously old money Boston (Hermes scarf etc), but her recommendation on the steak tartar (there are only 2 places in Boston to get it) was right on the money.