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Cadaverous Pallor 12-24-2007 06:14 PM

Merry Christmas!
 
Heh, leave it to the Jew to start the thread. Merry Christmas, everyone!

Disneyphile 12-24-2007 06:16 PM

And leave it to the Pagan to be the first to respond. :p

Merry Christmas! :D

Pardon me whilst I go worship the pine tree in our living room now. ;)

€uroMeinke 12-24-2007 06:24 PM

Merry Christmas to All!

- Said the Atheist

Gemini Cricket 12-24-2007 06:33 PM

Jews can't start Christmas threads! Jesus must be rolling in his grave.
:D


Just kidding.

Merry Christmas Eve, y'all!
:)

Kevy Baby 12-24-2007 07:04 PM

A Jew, an Atheist, and two Pagans...

An auspicious start to be sure!

Happy Christmas all.

Cadaverous Pallor 12-24-2007 07:13 PM

Well....all the Christians are actually celebrating by now.

MmeLytyeer 12-24-2007 07:15 PM

Merry Critters and a Happy Pooh Year
from the new kid

Stan4dSteph 12-24-2007 07:31 PM

We just had our traditional dinner of fondue after Christmas Eve services. Mmmmm.

Merry Christmas!

Not Afraid 12-24-2007 07:38 PM

OK. We need the true spirit of Christmas here.


Merry Christmas
From your friends at American Express.

BarTopDancer 12-24-2007 07:45 PM

Merry Christmas! I think I'll go eat some Chinese food now.

Christmastime For The Jews

katiesue 12-24-2007 08:16 PM

Merry Christmas to all of you wonderful people. You're an amazing bunch!

scaeagles 12-24-2007 08:25 PM

Merry Christmas to all, and to all a good night.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded 12-24-2007 09:48 PM

Merry Christmas to everyone here at the Lounge.

May it be a day of Swank, bacon and flying baby Jesus' over the skies of Disneyland!

Happy Holidays one and all!:cheers:

Not Afraid 12-24-2007 09:59 PM

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Merry Christmas!!!!


BarTopDancer 12-24-2007 10:07 PM

Poor puppy! He does not look happy!

swanie 12-24-2007 10:26 PM

The kids are in bed, all of the presents are wrapped, and A Christmas Story is on (and on and on...).

A good night indeed. :)

Merry Christmas to all!

swanie and mr. swanie

Gn2Dlnd 12-24-2007 11:10 PM

Merry Crifmaf!

ozron 12-24-2007 11:57 PM

Buon Natale, tutti!

JWBear 12-25-2007 12:26 AM

In the tongue of my ancestors.....

Nadolig Llawen!!!



(Merry Christmas!!!)

figment1986 12-25-2007 12:27 AM

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My sisters dog loves being in clothes ;)

but she really loved the wrapping paper we threw on the ground... she made a nest.


Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays Everyone!

RStar 12-25-2007 12:27 AM

Here's to our Jewish friends at christmastime from South Park:

It's hard to be a Jew on Christmas
My Friends won't let me join in any games..
And I can't sing Christmas songs
Or decorate a Christmas tree..
Or leave water out for Rudolph
'cause there's something wrong with me..
My people don't believe in Jesus Christ's divinity..
I'm a Jew, a lonely Jew.. on Christmas.

Hanukkah is nice, but why is it,
That Santa passes over my house every year?
And instead of eating Ham
I have to eat Kosher Latkes..
Instead of Silent Night
I'm singing hey-hach-dol-gavish..
And what the f**k is up
With lighting all these f**king Candles, tell me please?

I'm a Jew, a lonely Jew..
I can't be merry, 'cause i'm Hebrew.. on Christmas.

Hey Little Boy, I can't help but hear,
You're feeling left out of Christmas Cheer..
But i've come to see that you shouldn't be sad
This is the one month that you shoud be glad..

Because it's nice to be a Jew on Christmas
You don't have to deal with the season at all..
You don't have to be on your best behavior, or give to charity
You don't have to go to grandma's house with your alcoholic family..
And I don't have to sit on some fake Santa's lap
And have him breathe his stinky breath on me!
That's right! You're a Jew, a stylin' Jew..
It's a good time, to be Hebrew.. on Christmas.

And to everyone else:

Merry Christmas, and Happy New Year!

French - Joyeux Noël et Bonne Année!

German- Fröhliche Weihnachten und ein glückliches Neues Jahr!

Greek - Kala Christougenna Ki'eftihismenos O Kenourios Chronos

Hawaiian- Mele Kalikimaka & Hauoli Makahiki Hou

Hebrew - Mo'adim Lesimkha. Shanah Tova (I couldn't resist!)

Italian - Buon Natale e Felice Anno Nuovo

Japanese - Shinnen omedeto. Kurisumasu Omedeto

Romanian- Craciun fericit si un An Nou fericit!

Spanish- Feliz Navidad y Próspero Año Nuevo

Swedish - God Jul och Gott Nytt År

Vietnamese - Chuc Mung Giang Sinh - Chuc Mung Tan Nien

Yiddish - Gute Vaynakhtn un a Gut Nay Yor


I wish everyone a Merry Christmas, and a very happy new year!

Snowflake 12-25-2007 08:16 AM

Merry Xmas to one and all!

Cough Cough, Sneeze!

Merry Xmas! Don't forget the After Xmas sales start tomorrow! ;)

RStar 12-25-2007 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowflake (Post 181073)
Don't forget the After Xmas sales start tomorrow! ;)

Oh, I won't! It's a tradition....

Gotta get the wrapping paper and Christmas Cards for next year, and of course....

MORE CHRISTMAS LIGHTS!!!!!!

Oh, and I hope you feel better soon, Snowflake!

Not Afraid 12-25-2007 11:16 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BarTopDancer (Post 181055)
Poor puppy! He does not look happy!

Pugs always look worried. It must be the wrinkles.

Is this better?

Cadaverous Pallor 12-25-2007 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 181079)
Is this better?

No, there's still a pet in a costume :p

Not Afraid 12-25-2007 11:23 AM

Awww, he's just wearing his Christmas collar.

Just wait until NYE!

Morrigoon 12-25-2007 11:31 AM

Merry Christmas

Cadaverous Pallor 12-25-2007 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 181081)
Awww, he's just wearing his Christmas collar.

Just wait until NYE!

I guess we'll be calling him Astro? :D

BarTopDancer 12-25-2007 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 181079)
Pugs always look worried. It must be the wrinkles.

Is this better?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 181080)
No, there's still a pet in a costume :p

What she said

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 181081)
Awww, he's just wearing his Christmas collar.

Just wait until NYE!

From that angle it does look better though. At first it looked like it went through his poor wittle legs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 181083)
I guess we'll be calling him Astro? :D

Wrogre! Welroy!

wendybeth 12-25-2007 12:01 PM

Did Thurston get his card? :D


Happy Merry, everyone!:cheers:

(I still have the Cold From Hell, but I can almost smell my new Chanel perfume today.....).

Gn2Dlnd 12-25-2007 12:14 PM

Today, I think I'd like Chinese food and the movies.

Strangler Lewis 12-25-2007 12:46 PM

Merry Christmas to all.

Not Afraid 12-25-2007 01:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendybeth (Post 181086)
Did Thurston get his card? :D


Hehehe. Yes he did. But I don't think he's laughing. ;)

Prudence 12-25-2007 02:07 PM

Merry Christmas!

We're even having a bit of snow right now. It's pretty to look at while we're home today, but I sure do hope it stops for tomorrow...

tracilicious 12-25-2007 02:20 PM

Merry Christmas!

lindyhop 12-25-2007 02:23 PM

Merry Christmas everyone! It was so much fun to share the holiday season with many of you at the Park this year.

:cheers:

Jazzman 12-25-2007 02:37 PM

Mele Kalikimaka
to my LoT Ohana!


:tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki: :tiki:

It's actually snowing here! Yippee!!!!!! A real White Christmas!

Yaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

:)

Sub la Goon 12-25-2007 05:32 PM

God bless us, every one!


(says another avowed atheist)

JWBear 12-25-2007 05:52 PM

We just got back from my sister's. My sister always makes a wonderful Christmas dinner; prime rib, mashed potatoes, all the trimmings.... I have been looking forward to it all week!

We get there... No sit down dinner. No prime rib. No mashed potatoes. This year, it was a hors d'oeuvre type buffet with antelope meatballs as the main course.

I kid you not.

I'm really disappointed. :(

scaeagles 12-25-2007 05:54 PM

Had a good Christmas....you? Kids happy, wife happy, wallet still intact, but relatives suck.

Had to go to Christmas dinner last night (tradition to do it on Christmas Eve) with a group of people including the only two genuine racists I know, and many other people (mostly non-relatives - family friends and moochers who contribute nothing to the huge feast) I just really don't like. This happens every year, and I do it for my wife, who in turn does it for her mom.

So we were at the inlaws yesterday. Went back today for Christmas (late) morning with her parents.

I get to go back Thursday. Both of the wife's brothers were out of town with their wives families. Both get back tomorrow. However, they can't stand to be in the same room with each other, so I have Christmas with one brother and the wife's parents on Thursday, and the other brother and the wife's parents on Saturday.

Sigh. Sometimes trying to make everyone happy at Christmas makes me very unhappy.

tracilicious 12-25-2007 06:40 PM

Scaeagles, I say you quit the self sacrifice BS and let them find their own happiness. You can never *make* anyone else feel any particular way, and if they aren't choosing your absence as an excuse to be unhappy, they'll just choose something else anyways (or so it sounds).

Alex 12-25-2007 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazzman (Post 181099)
It's actually snowing here! Yippee!!!!!! A real White Christmas!

Yaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!

:)

Indeed it did. Very nice, too bad it didn't stick but a couple of the flurries were very nice to watch.

I was talking to my mom about it, and I remember on year we had a white Thanksgiving but I can't remember an actual Christmas snow (though it must have happened at least a couple of times and I remember having old snow on Christmas).

scaeagles 12-25-2007 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tracilicious (Post 181103)
Scaeagles, I say you quit the self sacrifice BS and let them find their own happiness. You can never *make* anyone else feel any particular way, and if they aren't choosing your absence as an excuse to be unhappy, they'll just choose something else anyways (or so it sounds).

I don't do it for anyone except my wife, and she only does it for her mom and indirectly her dad, who is made to suffer if mom is unhappy. I honestly don't care about the extended family being happy....I just care about my kids and wife having a good Christmas.

But what do I know? I don't have to deal with my disfunctional family at Christmas, and I consider myself fortunate for that.

Morrigoon 12-25-2007 07:18 PM

Pretty good Christmas. Got almost everything I wanted :)

Hurt my back this morning, so moving around today was kinda annoying. But it was for a good cause ;)

Alex's family does Christmas Eve dinner and a Christmas Day "brunch", so we're actually home already and probably going to enjoy some nice warm mac and cheese flavored with leftover ham.

And I'll probably need to make some soup soon, using my new crock pot!

Moonliner 12-25-2007 07:26 PM

Whew! Dance Dance Revolution is quite the workout, but for the moment at least this old dog is teaching them younglings how to boogie... :D

The gifts are all deliverd, the dinner served the dishes done, time for this Santas helper to pack it in for the night....

Merry Christmas one and all.

Snowflake 12-25-2007 07:27 PM

t minus 1 hour and counting for the roomie to return. The house is as clean as I can get it right now, she will hopefully deal. Her box containing many tokens is wrapped and I'm going to plop on the couch and listen to the Festival of 9 Lessons and Carols and read a new book I received for Xmas.

It's been a peaceful day, Tango will soon get some shrimp (which she will enjoy much more than any of her xmas toys, spoiled cat) and I will enjoy a good cuppa tea with my roomie and listen to tales of the latest Mexican adventure.

But, in the back of my mind will be lurking only the warmest of well wishes to everyone on LoT, regardless of faith or not, you're a swell bunch and any chance to tell you so is an opportunity that cannot be missed. Merry Merry and peace to all of you. :cheers:

scaeagles 12-25-2007 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 181107)
Whew! Dance Dance Revolution is quite the workout, but for the moment at least this old dog is teaching them younglings how to boogie...

Go Moonie, go moonie.....

My arms are sore from Wii Olympics.

CoasterMatt 12-25-2007 08:16 PM

Merry Christmas everybody!

Stan4dSteph 12-25-2007 08:51 PM

Ours was white despite the rain showers we had Sunday. We got a dusting of snow to freshen it up yesterday. I still got in a run today. Not bad, temperature around 35 F.

madmonkeygirl 12-25-2007 09:00 PM

Merry Christmas!
 
Merry BonJoviMas :) i just had to. Ethel and Lucy are passed out on the couch snuggled in with stuffed animals each one getting one for Xmas thanks to their mommy :) I've never seen Ethel take to a stuffed animal but i guess she knows it's Xmas. They had quite the evening last night and day at my parents in the desert so i think they got tired out :) Got a whole lot of Jovi stuff and good stuff. Friend surprised me with a couple nice gifts that i knew she was creative but wow...think she beat me this year tehehehe Can't wait i'm off Sun thru Tues of next week yay 3 days off in a row....

alphabassettgrrl 12-25-2007 10:14 PM

Happy Christmas everybody! I had a good day. We shared the gifting, though it was not particularly dramatic, and we went to a movie. I like this set of relatives, and we had some fun.

Bornieo: Fully Loaded 12-25-2007 10:34 PM

wow I really cleaned up this year!

- $20 gift certificate to Best Buy
- Shoes
- Mickey Shirt
- Friends book (99 cent store buy)
- Batman book (99 cent store buy)
- $20 to Pizza Kitchen
- $30 to Target.

Hmmmm

libraryvixen 12-25-2007 10:36 PM

B and I had a lovely Christmas this year. Jammies, games and napping all day!

Kevy Baby 12-25-2007 10:55 PM

Drove to San Diego and back today. Got into a debate with the entire family on politics (the lone conservative in a group full of liberals). MIL is one who believes you are an idiot if you don't believe with her, so naturally, we had some issues. But otherwise a fun day!

Not Afraid 12-25-2007 11:12 PM

I'm done with work. I'm almost done with my sewing project. I just finished eating delicious rack of lamb with cous cous and steamed veggies and all is right with the world. Thurston, however, is VERY upset that he couldn't get his chomps around one of those lamb bones.

I was driving around this evening and got to see such a wonderful display of lights in the various neighborhoods I visited......AND I saw a baby skunk. This is always my favorite time of the Holidays - the mad rush is almost over and there is a bit of time to reflect and enjoy....before NYE comes careening around the corner.


Merry Christmas!

ozron 12-25-2007 11:25 PM

I went to a dinner party at some friend's last night. He happens to be the executive chef at the zoo - you don't turn down an invitation like that.

Erin spent the night with me, and we had our Christmas this morning. Her mom picked her up just after noon to go to Grandma Beth's for family Christmas up there. That's when I start cooking.

Every Boxing Day since Linda and I split I've had her family over for brunch. It's become a required part of Christmas. Egg cassarole, O'brian potatoes, yam and fruit gratin, apple spice bread and fruit pizza.

It's been a good day.

ron

Gemini Cricket 12-25-2007 11:49 PM

Merry Christmas, Y'all!
Hope everyone had a great day!
:)



What you talkin' 'bout, Everybody!

Sub la Goon 12-26-2007 12:03 AM

I took the teen and twins to OC and spent the day with my folks and my brother.

We exchanged gifts, played around outside a little, and the teen and I even copped a nap on my old bunk bed while the twins were distracted by a movie.

We had Chinese buffet dinner and got thoroughly stickered up by one of the 6 year olds' Dora stickers.

While one of the strangest and most sullen Christmases I can recall (my first wife's funeral is scheduled for this Friday), it was great to be together and goof around.

Moonliner 12-26-2007 07:43 AM

So I'm curious, what were all our non-christian friends up to on Christmas day? Did you really go for a movie and Chinese food? Did anyone get a bite at the zoo?

Cadaverous Pallor 12-26-2007 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 181157)
So I'm curious, what were all our non-christian friends up to on Christmas day? Did you really go for a movie and Chinese food? Did anyone get a bite at the zoo?

Actually, GD's family has a tradition of a large family dinner on Xmas Day, including grab bag gift exchange and celebration of the many (7, I believe) family birthdays in December. Since we were going to be in the neighborhood, we visited my family for lunch. This is part of the reason why I have no problem saying "Merry Christmas" to library patrons and having people respond in kind - I do have a merry Christmas. :)

Scaeagles, I can relate. We got on the topic of funding being cut for music in schools, and my father began ranting about how high school bands are playing mariachi music now, signifying the end of American culture. :rolleyes: Thankfully it was about time for us to leave, and we did so, abruptly.

Other than that it was nice seeing everyone and stuffing ourselves with good food.

tracilicious 12-26-2007 09:54 AM

I'm not Christian, and we spent the day celebrating Christmas. Christmas doesn't have Christian origins, so I really have no problem removing the Jesus part that wasn't supposed to be there originally. I'm not pagan either though, so I guess we just do it because it's fun. :)

scaeagles 12-26-2007 10:16 AM

I disagree, traci.....I'm not sure how you get that "Christ's Mass" has no Christian origins. Perhaps you are referring to the time of year? Yes, the celebration at this time was to counter the solstice celebrations (as far as I understand it), and it is indeed a conglomeration of many different things. but to say it isn't supposed to be there in the first place....not sure I agree with that. People pick and choose various aspects of how they celebrate, and that's fine, btu don't say it dioesn't belong there.

Pirate Bill 12-26-2007 10:19 AM

Merry Belated Christmas! :)

We had a really fun day. The kids didn't wake us up too early (got to "sleep in" until 7:30). We had fun opening presents and playing games with the kids all day. We watched some TV and relaxed in the afternoon. Then had a really nice Christmas dinner with my in-laws and played some more games.

We also got some snow around noon that stuck for a little while. Then the snow turned to rain, then back to snow again. So this morning there was a bit of ice on the roads. But no trouble driving to work.

Kevy Baby 12-26-2007 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 181157)
So I'm curious, what were all our non-christian friends up to on Christmas day? Did you really go for a movie and Chinese food? Did anyone get a bite at the zoo?

This Pagan celebrates Christmas (Yule).

Kevy Baby 12-26-2007 10:58 AM

Intentionally making this a separate post.

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 181167)
I disagree, traci.....I'm not sure how you get that "Christ's Mass" has no Christian origins. Perhaps you are referring to the time of year? Yes, the celebration at this time was to counter the solstice celebrations (as far as I understand it), and it is indeed a conglomeration of many different things. but to say it isn't supposed to be there in the first place....not sure I agree with that. People pick and choose various aspects of how they celebrate, and that's fine, but don't say it doesn't belong there.

One of many interesting reads on the topic. My two cents on the topic is that Christians took their own beliefs and massaged the timing and specifics to make the conversion of Pagans to Christianity a bit easier. How much is Pagan and how much Christian is open to some interpretation.

And the Pagans can't really claim origination on celebrating the holiday. Alex has posted on this in the past, but I cannopt readily find that at the moment.

JWBear 12-26-2007 11:19 AM

Yep, the name not withstanding, Christmas has it's origin in pre-christian religious traditions (just like Easter).

Moonliner 12-26-2007 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 181188)
Yep, the name not withstanding, Christmas has it's origin in pre-christian religious traditions (just like Easter).

On a side note....

On Christmas day my daughter asked "How did they celebrate Christmas eve before Jesus?"

Gemini Cricket 12-26-2007 11:49 AM

I don't have any probs saying "Merry Christmas"... on Christmas Day, Christmas Eve... Saying it for the entire month of December is not my thang. Saying it in October and November is right out.

Kevy Baby 12-26-2007 12:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 181191)
On a side note....

On Christmas day my daughter asked "How did they celebrate Christmas eve before Jesus?"

Of course, the answer is, "very carefully."

tracilicious 12-26-2007 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by scaeagles (Post 181167)
I disagree, traci.....I'm not sure how you get that "Christ's Mass" has no Christian origins. Perhaps you are referring to the time of year? Yes, the celebration at this time was to counter the solstice celebrations (as far as I understand it), and it is indeed a conglomeration of many different things. but to say it isn't supposed to be there in the first place....not sure I agree with that. People pick and choose various aspects of how they celebrate, and that's fine, btu don't say it dioesn't belong there.


What about it does belong there? Jesus wasn't born in December. The Christmas tree has pagan origins. Other than the name there are no associations with Christianity at all, as far as I know. Though it may have had a different name (and be a bit different than the modern holiday), the holiday itself predates Christianity. I've heard the explanation that Kevy offered before as well. To the best of my knowledge, the early church took a pagan holiday and tacked on Jesus to get more conversions.

That's not to say that I don't think Christians should celebrate Christmas. Whatever makes you Merry is alright with me. It just strikes me as funny when people ask what non-Christians do on Christmas. I don't even consider it a religious holiday in the least. If you do, and that works for you, then that's great. :)

Moonliner 12-26-2007 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tracilicious (Post 181165)
we spent the day celebrating

So I'm not sure I follow you. If you take the Christ out of Christmas what exactly are you celebrating? The solstice? Pagan stuff? Family? Commercialism?

I know for me, while I toss all that devine son-of-God mumbo-jumbo right out the window I still celebrate the man and his message.

JWBear 12-26-2007 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonliner (Post 181234)
So I'm not sure I follow you. If you take the Christ out of Christmas what exactly are you celebrating? The solstice? Pagan stuff? Family? Commercialism?

I know for me, while I toss all that devine son-of-God mumbo-jumbo right out the window I still celebrate the man and his message.

As a non-christian, to me Christmas is about family and tradition. It's a time to be with loved ones. IMO, you don't need to believe in Jesus for this.

tracilicious 12-26-2007 01:48 PM

I guess for us it's a mix of solstice and family. I really like the darkness/going within symbolism of solstice, but we're an atheist family (with spiritual atheist leanings), so we don't celebrate the same way pagans might. I think for us Christmas is what it is for most people, Christian or otherwise...A time to be with loved ones, give what enriches their lives, and celebrate the goodness of life. I just don't see what it has to do with Jesus.

Kevy Baby 12-26-2007 03:36 PM

Christmas is an event that Americans have highjacked for commercialism. We highjacked it from the Christians, who highjacked it from the Pagans who hijacked it from someone else.

The naming of Christmas was something done by the Christians when converting the Pagans.

Kevy Baby 12-26-2007 04:18 PM

Saw this:


lashbear 12-26-2007 07:36 PM

Happy Christmas,
Happy Xmas
Happy Holidays
Happy Whatever Makes You Happy this season.

We ate too much turkey, and my fabulous sausage stuffing, and gorged on my Egg-nog which now contains lashings of Cream, Brandy and Creme De Cacao. Yumm Brandy Egg-nog Alexander. *hic*

Morrigoon 12-26-2007 09:19 PM

Does somebody wanna get me one of these ornaments next year? Awesome.

Cadaverous Pallor 12-27-2007 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morrigoon (Post 181390)
Does somebody wanna get me one of these ornaments next year? Awesome.

Wow, now there's the ultimate "I celebrate Christmas but not Jesus" statement.

Morrigoon 12-27-2007 10:58 AM

I actually DO celebrate Jesus. But I find the Flying Spaghetti Monster ornament highly amusing.


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