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Spelling Errors: Stupid? Lazy? Or A-OK?
Making an Arguement for Misspelling (not)
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I think not. I hate spelling errors in official things. Sure - they happen a lot in emails and on message boards - but I have a hard time counting those... But in official things - say your term paper, a menu, signage at a national park, your newspaper, your company's logo - all those should be spelled correctly. And for the record, I've found spelling errors in all of them. The company logo and national forest were the most alarming with the logo leaving out a double letter (either the last of the first word of the first of the last word) which was not on purpose because everywhere else it was spelled correctly. And also at Sequoia - a word spelled wrong on a sign. I also believe I'm a hypocrit as I can't seem to catch my own spelling errors right away. I seem to have to send something to the printer and get it past the point where I can't "stop the presses" and then - bammo - look at that glaring error right there. Which is why someone else always proofreads for me. Usually more then one person. Sew, whut du u theenk? Kepe on spelling korect? Or shude we all be labuled as varient and not rong?:rolleyes: |
Sorry, and maybe it's because I'm a good speller, but I feel poor spelling is a sign of ignorance. Not stupidity, per se. But obviously ignorance of the way words are properly spelled.
I think that bespeaks a certain lazyness and a likely lack of rudimentary education. I can't stand it when entities that should be able to afford copy check end up spelling things wrong in written form. Absolutely retarded. I'm much more forgiving of individual people. English can be a tricky language as far as spelling goes. But, c'mon ... we all had a grade-school education, didn't we? |
For me the primary issue is confusion. Collectively deciding that truely is an acceptable form of truly doesn't offend my senses.
Language is not rules, it is usage. If 100% of the time the answer given to 2+4 is 9 it doesn't become correct. But if everybody spells twelfth as twelth then that is now the correct spelling. The line, though, is extremely fuzzy and ill defined. But in general I would be ok with semi-official attempts at spelling normalization. |
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I walked into a book store the other day to tell the woman at the counter that the sign advertising "Dog Day's of Summer" didn't need an apostrophe. She didn't seem to be too bothered. Unforgivable in a children's book store. |
I'm a B speller, an F typist and a poor proofreader of my own stuff (but a great proofreader of others). I end up with typos on a regular basis and i don't even see them. Maybe it has something to do with never graduating kindergarten.
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Who graduates kindergarten?
Hippy. |
I can't spell for beans. But I know that so when doing anything professionally I'm extra careful. Spelling errors on official documents, resumes etc are stupid. When I do those kinds of things I get someone to prof them for me. For some reason when I type it wrong it looks right.
I'm so bad that my third grade teacher actually still remembers me for poor spelling and bad penmenship. All my reportcards from elementry school I got NS for Non Satisfacory in both. |
I'm a poor speller. Always have been. Thank goodness for spell check.
I also don't have a career where my potential spelling errors will be public facing. |
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See - SEE! I look at that now and can see it. But when I typed it, didn't even notice.
That's it. I'm officially changing the spelling. You must now spell it that way from now on. |
I think what bothered me the most about the article was the statement that the rules are too hard to learn.
So - everyone that does spell correctly did it and that makes everyone else either lazy or stupid. (either they put in the extra effort due to it's high difficultly rating or were too lazy to put in the effort?) Had to take my car in for repair this morning.... the service guy consitantly spelled happens with an I. Happins. psh. Guess it's a pet peeve of mine. |
Isn't creating your own typo or grammar error when pointing out errors a given?
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But yeah... plural, means no apostrophe (i.e. two dogs). Singular possessive is apostrophe before the 's'. (i.e. that dog's bone). Possessive for multiple is apostrophe after the 's'. (i.e. those dogs' home). Yeesh not hard to learn. |
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Let's make this thread the "pointless pedantry" equivalent of the Sooo... thread or one of the random thoughts thread. The appropriate thing would be to post how I'm wrong and then we can argue over the detailed parsing of medical vocabularies spread into the vernacular. As for the article I don't think it meant to say that the rules really are too difficult to learn but that obviously they are difficult enough that many people haven't learned them. And that by the time you are teaching college classes it isn't worth the distraction of responding to them to the detriment of the actual class. That ultimately, knowing whether something is an affect or an effect is not particularly important to understanding the proper application of carbon dating. And I think the last paragraph in the article is the key one. He isn't calling for wholesale abandonment of spelling rules and willy nilly ad hoc redefinition of variants. Simply that there are some words so commonly misspelled that maybe it is time to stop wasting energy calling them mistakes and move on. Finally, my most recent example of egregious apostrophes: ![]() Egregious because it is unnecessary and contributes to the suggestion that there is fun in Modesto. |
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We all can't be smart like you.
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I don't think that people who typo or misspell are unintelligent. But for whatever reason, I have a fondness for words and I really like it when they're spelled and punctuated correctly. So I really enjoy proofreading, and making it so.
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I nominate LSPE for Official LoT Proofreader.
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For the record, I am an atrocious speller and proofreader. This is why editors and proofreaders are needed! |
Spelling aside, I am still smartter then all off you.
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Similarly, there is a bumper sticker commonly seen here in touristy Central Florida that reads: All of us are NOT on vacation! I am pretty sure the intended sentiment is: Not all of us are on vacation! (First version - no one is on vacation. Second version, I'm not on vacation even though you are.) There is an important distinction between the two, though the person attaching such a sticker to his or her car might just as well choose one that says "You drive too fvcking slow!" |
It was pointed at SL, not Alex.
But I'm backing out of this thread now. I'm feeling incredibly stupid. |
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Mirror Mirror on the wall. Who is the smartest of them all?
Alex. However, your way with words doesn't also imply people are stupid when they don't understand something or have a different opinion then your own. |
Hahah, i love that i spelled a word wrong in my post where I congratulated myself on being a proper speller.
But let's not confuse spelling with grammar, or either with proper word choice. You can have poor grammar with perfect spelling, and horribly chosen words spelled correctly. |
Please don't leave on my account, BTD! (I'd hate for my pedantic post to make anyone feel bad.) LoT can be a crazy, rarefied place, but nobody here is stupid.
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Not leaving. Backing away. Though here I am still posting.
Whatever. I never claimed to be an English major. |
Hey now - I thought I said that message boards were exempt. ;)
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Actually I'm in agreement with you, Betty! I like to criticize spelling/grammatical errors on a message board only under the following conditions:
The maker of the errors (TMOTE) is a known idiot who has posted something obnoxious TMOTE is consistently and obnoxiously pedantic about spelling/grammatical errors TMOTE has inadvertently written something they might want corrected TMOTE can be quoted for teh funny (misspelled intentionally) I can spell, and write well when needed, but I don't always bother on message boards. Because I'm lazy. :) |
I was an english major, and before that journalism. I still can't spell.
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Or: I have bedimm'd The noontide sun, call'd forth the mutinous winds, And 'twixt the green sea and the azur'd vault Set roaring war: to the dread rattling thunder Have I given fire, and rifted Jove's stout oak With his own bolt: the strong-bas'd promontory Have I made shake; and by the spurs pluck'd up The pine and cedar: graves at my command Have wak'd their sleepers, op'd, and let them forth By my so potent art. But this rough magic I here abjure; and, when I have requir'd Some heavenly music,--which even now I do,-- To work mine end upon their senses that This airy charm is for, I'll break my staff, Bury it certain fathoms in the earth, And deeper than did ever plummet sound I'll drown my bammo. |
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'Twas brillig, and the slithy toves Did gyre and gimble in the wabe: All mimsy were the borogoves, And the mome raths outgrabe :D |
Real worlds with perfect spelling and grammar that still convey no useful information as in this current CNN.com headline:
Obama may end VP guessing game soon |
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I am cursed with finding typos. I see them all the time. I can be looking at a page of text (not reading the text; just looking at the page) and find the typos. It's weird. Quote:
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I've come to expect bad spelling, bad punctuation and bad grammar on message boards, and am guilty of it myself from time to time. When I see it in newspapers, books and business emails though, it bugs me to no end.
And typos aren't really the problem. It's two sentences running together without a period to separate them. It's seeing "affect" used when the person meant "effect." It's seeing the word "literacy" spelled incorrectly. These are the things that drive me crazy. |
Message board stuff that bugs me:
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Language does evolve and change. "Donut" does not bother me. I've gotten over the fact that "whom" has all but disappeared from the English language. But, improperly placed apostrophes still bug (Possessive pronouns don't have them, people!); as does the omission of the final comma in a series.
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I don't believe leaving out the final comma in a series is incorrect in the least.
I am one of the five last remaining users of "whom." My constant mistake is it's and its, and I'm constantly proofreading for that and finding I've mistyped it yet again. i often use i instead of I, 'cause i like the way it looks ... and it's a habit i acquired from ... well, best left unsaid, actually. |
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The Oxford or serial comma is completely a choice of style (though using it is more commonly American while not is more commonly British). I prefer to have it (simply because to me the ambiguity caused by absence is more annoying than the ambiguity caused by its presence).
But if I'm a descriptivist when it comes to usage of language I am outright indifferent when it comes to punctuation rules (we need them and should generally follow the agreed upon rules but they are fundamentally arbitrary and do not have any inherent rightness). |
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But if you remember to use it when following a preposition ("to whom shall I deliver the letter", "before whom must I bow", "upon whom did the porn star ejaculate copiously") then you'll understand it better than 95% of the population. |
As far as my typos go, they usually don't have anything to do with ignorance but simply that I can type too fast and my brain has an amazing capacity for homophones and just seems to randomly spit one out when possible.
Though for some reason I always have to correct "rediculous" to "ridiculous." Which is very weird because I never type "ridicule" as "redicule." |
Proper punctuation and capitalization is the difference between "I had to help my uncle Jack, off a horse.." and "I had to help my uncle jack off a horse.."
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American Heritage Dictionary - Cite This Source - Share This en·dem·ic Audio Help (ěn-děm'ĭk) Pronunciation Key adj. 1. Prevalent in or peculiar to a particular locality, region, or people: diseases endemic to the tropics. See Synonyms at native. |
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Damn it... fixed.
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Its all about communication, and so while I am a "C" speller I use whatever tools to help me out sometimes, not with success. I'm Aural, so when I write, aside from the usual typos, I tend to dictate from the voice in my head and thus make lots of errors with homonyms, or mixing of with have. I don't over think it though because I'd otherwise not write anything.
That said, while spelling and grammar help create standards that facilitate communication, the fact that one can correct someone else's spelling and grammatical errors implies that the intended message got through just the same - so the corrector - outside the academic environment - comes across as self-righteous and annoying. |
The following snippet of text has been circulating on the net for a while: "... randomising letters in the middle of words [has] little or no effect on the ability of skilled readers to understand the text. This is easy to denmtrasote. In a pubiltacion of New Scnieitst you could ramdinose all the letetrs, keipeng the first two and last two the same, and reibadailty would hadrly be aftcfeed. My ansaylis did not come to much beucase the thoery at the time was for shape and senqeuce retigcionon. Saberi's work sugsegts we may have some pofrweul palrlael prsooscers at work. The resaon for this is suerly that idnetiyfing coentnt by paarllel prseocsing speeds up regnicoiton. We only need the first and last two letetrs to spot chganes in meniang."
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Fcuk taht.
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Watching the Olympics I wonder what spelling and grammar issues the Chinese have
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Ah, Chinglish!
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"Who was given the book?" (Subject) "The book was given to whom?" (Object) Quote:
its, whose, his, hers, theirs = possessive it's, who's, that's, what's, he's, she's, etc = contraction |
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Personally, I use the serial comma, but I agree with the con argument that 90%+ of the time it serves no functional purpose and so to the extent that a rule is needed it should be simply that the comma is mandatory only when its use eliminates ambiguity. |
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Ironically, I use (and prefer) the serial comma. |
Spelling, grammar, and punctuation errors drive me crazy. I have learned to accept a certain level of error in the online world, but I can't say I like it. I don't know if the poster is in a hurry, lazy, uneducated, or just doesn't care, or what, but I can't love the errors.
In public material, errors are worse. Published books, signs, etc, really need to be correct. Once or twice it's been so egregious I've written to the publisher offering my services as proofreader as they so obviously need it and don't have it. I can't accept errors in published material. There they come off as stupid or lazy and there's no excuse. Kevy, I'm with you in looking at a page and the errors JUMP out at me. |
Anyway, everybody knows 'apostrophe' is pronounced "Appa-stroaf". So there. Nee'ner
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exclamation indication declaration sometimes I think I'll stick to unguided poetry this is how my brain works anyway no worries of crossing lines outside the jurisdiction of the grammar mafia still, appreciate good usage have my share of angst especially elsewhere on the internet. |
Okay - who here (besides me) feels the needs to circle the errors? I know that no one else is going to see the page but I really want to circle them all with a big red marker. (as if someone will then make them correct?)
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Is that why there is white out and sharpie on your monitor?
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At least you didn't say "pneumatic device." That would have been quotable. |
Mnemonic. I even put my original bad spelling of it into google search to get the "correct" spelling. Apparently there is just no way to get around bad spelling.
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Here's another one I've seen, lately. "Peak the curiosity." Pique, as in what I shall be in a fit of if you keep using the wrong word. Also, "queue line." It's a queue or it's a line, saying both tells me that you're getting in line to stand in line. Or on line if you're a Brit. And it's not cue line, that's what another actor says before it's my turn to speak onstage. I do tend to start sentences with ands and ors. My particular bad grammar habit. That, and apparently no predicates. I always think that spelling, punctuation, and word choice, indicates what the writer thinks of his audience, and what he wants to convey about himself. On line with friends, I'm casual. In business, I'm informed and trustworthy. When you know the rules, you can have more fun playing with the language. Or, as I'm sure happens to me occasionally, come off as a prig. But a smart prig. In high school, I remember one instance where I was watching ants on the floor of shop class. Another student asked me what I was doing, I explained that ants communicated through pheromones and that's why they were touching antennae. He gave me such a look of disgust, and said, "Can't you just say 'talk' like everyone else?" I didn't bother to tell him that ants can't talk, but it does illustrate why I got beat up a lot. Now I choose my words for my audience. One more thing, "lightening" is what you do to a cup of coffee by adding creamer. "Lightning" is what precedes thunder. I think words are important. |
Words are important, grammar is semi-important, spelling is minimally important, punctuation is the caboose on the train.
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And a guy with no arms and no legs in the water is Bob. |
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'nuff said :D |
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Someone told me that that the use of "like" and "um" is a brain pause as your brain searches for the next word or phrase. |
I also know I'm developing a bad habit of picking up phrases used in our TX office. I do say y'all and all'y'all slips out now and then.
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...and the use of 'Canadians' bothers me. They don't come from Canadia, so they should be Canadans. A pet peeve of mine. Australia - Australians America - Americans Canada - Canadans |
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One habit I think I may have finally broken my boss of is "... and etc."
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Most of my spelling and grammar offenses are a result of self-correcting as I reread my writing before others see it. Spelling and "by-the-book" grammar are not my strong points, I admit. That doesn't, however, mean I love words, sentences, paragraphs, writing or reading any less than someone who also values those things and has perfected their punctuation marks and A, B, Cs. If I write something here and quickly review, I don't often ferret out the mistakes. If I wrote "your" where I meant to write "you're", I will read "you're", so won't know to correct myself. And I most certainly know the difference between the two even if I continue to make that mistake.
When I allow myself the time, my writing usually proceeds as follows: Round 1: Self-expressoin with stream of consciousness embelishments. Round 2: Review and rewrite, to improve the narrative, refine my opinions, etc. At this point, I'm still auto-correcting. I rarely catch the spelling and grammar snafus. Round 3: Review, and more rewrites. At this point, it becomes clear that I need to proofread. Round 4: I read one word at a time to identify and correct spelling errors. Round 5: I read one sentence at a time to correct grammar mistakes and any additional spelling mistakes (such as "its" and "it's"). Round 6: I take a break from editing. I don't look at the piece for hours or a day or more. Round 7: I read the piece again as a whole, once again to make sure I'm pleased with its entirety, and if I make any significant changes that require additional proofreading, I begin the process all over again. By round 7, after a great deal of work, I usually have something that boasts faultless spelling and grammar. And I continue to argue that commas are a matter of personal preference. I use them when I feel like using them. When posting on the LoT or sending emails to co-workers, I usually make it through Round 1, maybe Round 2. Call it laziness. Call it "not enough hours in the day". I may embarrass myself from time to time, but usually my meaning comes across. I was once consoled by a wise mate who (and here I poorly paraphrase) said original and good creative writing is hard to come by, but precise spelling and grammar can be learned or corrected by a helpful editor. I'd rather be skilled at both, but que sera... Doesn't mean I don't envy those who are clearly able to express themselves beautifully with nearly flawless execution. (I'm looking at you, LSPE, Tom, NM, Alex, ism, etc., etc., etc.) :D |
What EH said. :) Though I can't say I go through exactly 7 drafts, I do read and reread what I write many, many times, moving commas, splitting up sentences, checking grammar (by my own odd rules), etc. Sometimes I get embarrassed and take hyphens out of sentences even though I could put one in every sentence and be happy. ;)
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I go through two drafts if I'm feeling dedicated.
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Such is the confusion of threads of this nature that I do not know if €uroMeinke was intentionally alluded.
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It was an allusion to his elusive nature. It's all Illusory anyway.
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I'm pretty sure everyone here knows my love for guys with the southern drawl. /swoon |
Enuf about grammer and more abought speling.
When someone is whiling away the hours, is "wile" or "while?" I needs to know. |
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5. wile away, to spend or pass (time), esp. in a leisurely or pleasurable fashion: to wile away the long winter nights. |
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Poor spelling (and grammar for that matter) drives me crazy. I blame the watering-down of formal English teaching in schools, the need for mobile phone users to compress words in SMS messaging, and the Media for mangling language for marketing reasons.
Here are some that really light my wick: “Fish ‘n Chips” – hell, “and” is such a complicated fvcking word. “Let us do it right for you” – look creep, I know you’ll fvck it up big time. “4NIC8R” – on license plates…I’ll bet you have a small dick. It’s an erosion of standards…and I dread to think of the communications (verbal and written) that are going to flow from CEOs born in the Generation X ‘n [sic] Y errors [sic]. Example: “Youz have gota lift ur game if we r gonna xlr8 our market cher”. Stoat shudders. |
Stoat, I share your dread.
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Bammo. |
What's with these idiots that can't spell in German!
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I have a friend by the name of Michael Danke, but it's pronounced "Dankee" - so I have an aversion to Danke as the Germanic Thank You. It just looks wrong to me, so I will always misspell it more phoenetically in my native English.
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I don't claim to be some sort of amazing speller all the time. I'm a decent proofreader - when I bother - and even then it's very hard. I like to use a brightly colored piece of paper as a guide, since it allows me to focus on spelling. I also change the font and employ a number of bizarre tactics to proofread. I read the words in backward order.
Once thing that has me differing from others, at least grammatically, is my use of the Chicago Manual of Style. I like my comma before the and in a series. Other quirks seem to make their way into my writing that differs greatly from what I've seen on the West Coast. Another thing that has gotten the better of me is the use of punctuation, capitalization, and even spelling in advertising and in what has become the accepted standard amongst a group of people. Sometimes there is a reason you would put the n' versus and or even & in Rock n' Roll, Rock and Roll, Rock & Roll. Balance in ad copy, the contrast and meaning it gives along with imagery... it all plays a part, and has even caused me to break a few of my cardinal rules while writing copy that's gone on billboards, catalogs, brochures and flyers. I think - back to the original topic - that we should accept those who make mistakes, since a vast majority of us regularly participate in spelling and grammatical blunders (I'm pretty sure a good checker could find at least 6 in here. Or is that six? Oh, I do prefer to spell my numbers ten and under. 10 and under.), but not accept changes to long-standing rules. It would probably make for more work, and before long we'll be spelling those words incorrectly. |
This thread came to mind when I saw this news article today.
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Just remember, you can wile away your coyotes, but you while away your time. |
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Ugh yeah I wasn't sure of the answer and the internet lied to me.
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So I'm going through a drive through yesterday for lunch and their sign in the window read:
We will close early on December 24th at 6pm. We will be close on December 25th. We will also be close early on December 31st. We will be open at 7am on January 1st. I asked them how close they would be on the 25th and got a blank stare. I pointed out their sign said they would be close - or was that a typo? The girl said "what's a typo?". I sighed and replied nevermind. I know there's not a very high caliber of intelligence required to work at a fast food place but come on now. I guess they were, at least, consistant. |
I see those kinds of errors a *lot*. One near my house says "we have move to" and it gives the address. Or the shop window that meant to say "floor stripper" machines but instead says "floor striper".
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Steam Rice.
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One of my official AF readings I cranked through yesterday said that the dye had been cast.
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When in doubt about whether the dye or die had been cast, always switch to the Rubicon has been crost.
Same scene, same approximate meaning, and most rubes will be confused by Rubicon and fail to notice crost. |
These errors are common among those for whom English is not the first language. I see things like this all the time where I work.
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