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Riley's apple farm: phobic bigots
I love cider. I was hoping to get some to serve with homemade donuts this weekend, or perhaps apples to stuff and bake. Tom did a little research and came up with Riley's apple farm, which EH and I visited a few years ago. It was fun - I miss farms, and I especially miss apple season in Michigan.
Looking through the website, though, I was a little stunned to see that their "farm blog" is not so much a blog about farming as it is a political blog. I'm going to quote some of it here because I was just so stunned. Quote:
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Wow... bizzar-O!
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Where is a sick smiley when you need one? I want to go hurl.
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May they shove an apple in their mouths.
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WTF? Is that for real or supposed to be a metaphor for something?
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It is vomit-inducing, I'll give it that.
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Whoa ... the apple shouldn't be shoved in their collective mouth ... I have somewhere more appropriate in mind.
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I like farms too. I think I'll stay away from this one though.
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If you're going to avoid farms run by homophobic farmers, you're going to probably end up establishing the next fad diet it would be so effective for weight loss.
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On the other hand, I remember hearing it said in the pre-internet days that most gay porn subscriptions were mailed to farms.
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I took a look at their website, and the place looks utterly charming. It's sad that it seems to be run by hate-mongers. How does he get away with making sure his new employees "get a little religion?" I also wonder, if, as Skippy's tirade implies, he feels legally compelled to host
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Poor things. |
I know plenty of gay-friendly farmers. Or at least farm representatives. I shop at the Hollywood Farmers Market on Ivar every Sunday and there are gay people who sell produce there, and people who are very friendly and kind to the gay people who shop there. I can't guarantee that everyone is or is not homophobic, but if I've heard or read their words and they're vile, I'm not funding their family business.
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Maybe it's just my general mood today, but despite all this talk of homophobia and an anti-gay cider mill, the fantasy of having a tryst with a hot farmer in a hayloft dominates my thinking at the moment.
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Oh sure, I don't mean to suggest otherwise. That's a decision we all have to make. And yes, if you're a localvore in a coastal urban area you can probably get a pretty diverse diet from proper thinking farmers.
But that's not true for most people. Personally, so long as they aren't causing direct physical harm to others, I don't care what views are held by people I do business with. But everybody has their lines. |
I like Dickens' cider. It's good cold, but there is nothing like a hot Dickens cider. ;)
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Yep, I was amused at that too. But damn if I'm not daydreaming about a roll in the hay with Farmer Johnboy.
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Confidential to Cricket and Spaceman
Trust me: ew.
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The hay gets everywhere you don't want it to get.
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Yeah, I see your point 3894. Hay often has bugs, too.
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While I'm sure I buy all sorts of things from people who I fundamentally disagree with, I feel better about buying from them if I'm in the dark about their abhorrent beliefs.
Of course, I love me some bible-versing In-n-Out. |
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Ok, I'm willing to admit that a roll in the hay, when not used metaphorically, means a roll in the hay. If hay wasn't really comfortable to roll in, why would hay rides be popular? Either way, hay gone haywire or bugs in the mix, I'm willing to chance it for the imaginary tryst with the studly farmer boy. |
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OMG! Don't tell me you have sex naked?
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Is that what you've been doing wrong?
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Well, at least I haven't gotten pregnant.
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That's where Sarah Palin went wrong raising Bristol...she thought the repeated hay rides sounded so fun and innocent that she forgot to remind Bristol to wear clothes. |
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Oh, and the final proof of what they are really referring to - the last paragraph (missing in the first quote):
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You realize that there's a lot of elementary school children that go there for field trips? Both of my kids have been through school sponsored events. I wonder if the school has any inkling of their spiel...
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I don't suppose they're going again soon, are they? You could have your kids wear "No on Prop 8" t-shirts :evil:
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I had to learn by personal experience that sex on the beach without a towel is not a good thing - it didn't matter how many people told me otherwise. The dumb-stick always makes the decisions. |
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LOL! And the chances you'd do it again, sans towel, if the opportunity...ahem...AROSE (knowing what you now know)? :p ;) |
He'd do it again I'm sure. He's a man.
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edited to add- I guess they will considering they posted it to begin with. That's not the only blog post in there either. |
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This has really gotten under my skin and I feel like they need to be called out in a big way. I keep thinking of the lunch counter protests in the South. What if a bunch of us went down there, enjoyed the farm, enjoyed the food - and then all took a swig of ipecac and let loose?
Would they fire a Gay employee? Would they block advancement in the workplace? I'm quite sure they would make life for an openly Gay employee unpleasant. What about openly Gay guests? Disneyland found out about guest discrimination years ago. When Skippy complains in his blog about Obama, and his statement about people clinging to guns and religion- (Here's the real quote from the real Barack Obama) Quote:
At the risk of Godwining my argument, I was listening to a friend last night talking about Hitler's use of gossip and innuendo towards laying his case against the Jews. I know this despicable behavior long preceded Hitler, but he made expert use of it. I'm not comparing an apple farmer in Yucaipa to the worst mass murderer in history, but the whisper campaign is the same. When hatred is voiced, it demands a response. What is just under the surface runs the risk of bubbling into the sunlight if it is not promptly and forcefully confronted. Apple pie and ipecac, anyone?  |
Write him an email.
Talk to a GLBT organization that is near him. Contact the BBB. Consult the ACLU. Find out who is competitor is and buy their cider. There's lots that can be done. :) |
I showed the page to my semi-conservative friend who loves going there. She is convinced that someone hacked into their site and put it there or that it's a joke. She also doesn't think it's a metaphor for anything.
I did email them about the page - asking what it meant - if it was a metaphor for something - and they haven't responded. |
Actually everyone participating in this thread is doing something already. When Riley's Apple Farm is Googled, this thread is the sixth search result.
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We need to make it #1. :evil:
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Oh, GC, AWESOME! I'm glad I started it instead of just keeping my gall to myself.
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It's not a joke or a hack. Just read some of his other blog entries.
Those are good suggestions, GC. In L.A. However, Yucaipa probably doesn't have anything in the way of GLBT services, the BBB really can't do anything about his homophobia, which the ACLU, as do I, acknowledge is his right to have, and I don't want any cider. My buying from a competitor doesn't hurt him one bit, bad publicity does. Huell Howser type publicity. Westways Magazine type publicity. These are his customers. I'd like to see his blog entries forwarded to every publication that's ever given him a positive write-up. I'll start with Huell, he comes by my farmer's market stand on Sundays. One person is a crank with an agenda, several people are unhappy potential customers. |
Maybe we can change the title of the thread to - "Riley's apple farm: phobic bigots" or something, so it can be obvious by the link title that we're not recommending their caramel apples.
For some reason, I'm thinking of Triumph, the Comic Insult Dog. "Nice apples. FOR ME TO POOP ON!" |
I can do that.
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I did that.
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Come to NY; we have lots of apples.
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Amusingly, the Google result preceding ours is a blog entitled "Menlove Memories." It does not appear, however, that this is a gay family with adopted children, simply a poor ba$tard named Menlove.
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Am I the only person that can't find their blog on their site?
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OMG-Really? You have no idea of our family's love for Huell. We can talk like him - watch all his shows - and love to love him/make fun of him a bit. Does he always come by or is it an every once in a while thing? (My husband's Mii is named Huell and looks like him. We have off road videos of us out in the middle of nowhere talking like him. HUELL!) |
Nevermind, found the right site.
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And I have no doubt that the site wasn't hacked and that it's not a joke. I was just commenting that someone would prefer to believe that over a somewhat beloved place they like to go spouting such ilk. |
I must be going blind, I've been looking for it for five minutes at least.
AH...it's at rileysfarm.com, not rileysapplefarm.com. NOW I get it! |
Oooh, this guy burns me up...
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Secondly, no one's asking this whack job to enter into a same-sex marriage, just not to prevent others from doing it. |
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Sept 21, 08 entry. |
TLMT: search the other sites you find on Google... I was looking at the wrong link.
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Yes, it's Freedom of Speech, but shouldn't he be talking about how his business is going? Or improvements to the mill? etc. It boggles the mind that people still think that if Prop 8 gets defeated that churches will be forced to perform same-sex marriages. They will not be forced to do that. Freedom of Religion forbids it. So what stake does the religious right have condemning marriage equality? No one has ever given me a legitimate answer on how me getting married to someone of the same sex is harmful to anyone else's marriage. Massachusetts has not fallen into the sea. California won't either. Besides, if 8 passes, a lawsuit will be filed against it the day after. The fight will continue. |
The short answer: None.
The truth is, this person is icked out, and is "punishing" you by denying your right to create a stable household unit. What's so sinful about a spouse inheriting the community property w/out having to pay a bunch of taxes on it when they've just lost their loved one, I'll never know. Maybe there's something in Leviticus about how sinful it is to inherit your own home without paying taxes... *snark* |
Found it. I think I was happier before I knew it existed. I went back a couple of weeks until I got to the rant about thinking liberals voting for Prop. 8.
Except for Hollywood types (I think that includes me, Bugs Bunny signs my paycheck) who are trying to upend all those good moral folks all over the state with our casual view of marriage. I'm going to check out the Julian apple farms before I haul it down there though, I'd hate to think this is an apple grower thing... |
If anything, I find that anti-Prop 8ers don't have a particularly casual view of marriage. In fact, in my experience 'we' probably think of it more than those supporting the proposition.
Regardless of what my own views on what marriage and love is or isn't, I can't imagine why I would ever discourage love and stability in life for everyone - all Prop 8 encourages is hate and more hate. I hate it. |
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Kevy: you might have to have read the post. It was another one of those "metaphor" posts, only this time it's theft instead of vomitophores.
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Point taken, read Sept 30th's post, the lower half, titled The Perspective Police
Here's more of the story: (although it makes the most idiotic sense when read in its entirety) Quote:
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So that people can stop hunting around for it, here is a link to the journal:
http://www.rileysfarm.com/index.html...fj20080930.htm |
You know... there's a Google ad on the page... :D
I wonder how many "No on 8" sites we could visit from there? |
I think I found the root of the problem.....
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I sent my email.
Here's the direct link to the vomitophor post. http://www.rileysfarm.com/index.html...fj20080921.htm I'm posting it on Facebook, and I suggest we all do, so it passes along. |
May they reap a bountiful harvest this season...
Like a harvest of crop-destroying locusts. After all, it's in the Bible, so I can't think of a more appropriate scenario... ;) |
SO, I read through the icky blog then went about my business doing stuff. I realized about an hour later I was singing a Bee Gees song - earworm suggested by blogman in a music post. Now I dislike him even more.
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Dammit! I don't generally conduct business based on principle. Because, as far as I can tell, if I have principles they are all over the map. If you are a bastard with 'X' and you are the only person with 'X' and I need 'X', I'll probably do business with you to obtain 'X'. I'm selfish and indulgent like that.
But one can't always ignore a light when it's turned on. And there are other places to purchase pumpkins and cider, though those places may not be as pretty and serene. I can get 'X' elsewhere, even if certain things must be sacrificed. So, **** you Riley's Apple Farm. I can buy my pumpkins and my apples and my cider and take country walks and make candles elsewhere. I don't need you and your stupid ****ing blog. Intolerance to their intolerance, aside, it's people like the Rileys who are making it possible for a woman who thinks The Flinstones is a documentary to become Vice-President of the United States. God damn it. |
Thanks to all those folks (hundreds!) who have thanked us for supporting Proposition 8.
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Perhaps you'd like to give them a review on trip advisor:
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Attractio...alifornia.html |
Oh look at this - another place to leave a review for them.
http://local.yahoo.com/info-20963951...-farm-oak-glen Imagine that. |
So, when is Warren Buffet "small business"?
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I guess the best we can hope for is that enlightened parents hear of this and don't sign the form to allow their child to attend. But as the Bigot points out, he'll still get trade from plenty more folks. Is it worth turning your kid into a political statement? I guess it depends on how old they are and how much they're willing to put up with stick from their school-mates: "Johnny didn't go to the apple farm because his parents are Homo Lovers" etc. etc. Things like this make me so angry because I get the whole "down-about-being-Gay" thing happening, and wishing I was Het like the Majority, and how much easier life would be, but then I stop and think, well, Things would have been a lot different, and I wouldn't have had a lot of the wonderful parts of my life so far, and I wouldn't be with my fabulous Stoat of 9 years (Longer than a lot of Het marriages), whom I love more than anything in the world, and I realise that being Gay isn't so bad, it's just that the 'Majority' needs to see that, too. Phew. I haven't made a post like this for a long time. Thanks for listening. |
Maybe I don't spend a lot of time around LA families with kids, but I haven't witnessed a great deal of homophobia in the city. I would imagine there would be a lot of parents who were outraged at the blogger's statements. Hell, there would be a lot of people in Michigan similarly outraged, and Michigan was a pretty conservative state compared to California.
LB, I'm always interested in what you have to say. It makes me angry too, and sad when things make my gay friends feel less than "normal" - but I'm glad you're able to see that you are beautiful and deserve respect. I wonder what else we can do to spread the word about Riley? |
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Ok I'll take this a bite at a time, unfortunately little Johnny and Janies parents get a note home, Class field trip to an apple farm sign here...the majority don't look any further than that. It's not that they support that foul excuse for a christian human but they just don't research it because they assume the school has. The teachers aren't looking political they're looking at something the school board might approve and craptastic people like this get away with slipping thru by putting their politics on blogs and crap that the average person might never see. Doesn't make it a bit more 'correct' or right or whatever and I agree with slamming their blogs with counter measures. I had someone come to the door about 8 recently and I just laughed and said you walk your walk I'll walk mine and we'll see how things end up at the end of the day...I'll laugh and love my friends and be a happier person for having them in it and you'll spend your days villifiing people you've never met....I think I'm the winner here. LB, I wish I could hug you when you get into that 'down' mode because I know your path is the 'harder' one for mainstream living, but like you've already pointed out, you wouldn't be with Stoat whom we all adore, you wouldn't be YOU if you were het, you'd be Rob the straight guy big whoop...we'd all still adore you but every thing about you is the sum total of the man we all adore to include your gayness. If loving you and GC has taught me anything at all it's that in my world and I know I'm not alone on this...you guys are my friends who happen to be gay, NOT Gay men who I happen to know...most of us feel that about our friends who happen to be gay. |
Aw, LB. I can not even imagine how you feel.
This h8te issue. It is hate, but, fear, too. I received an email from my f-i-l about needing to vote for it because of what it means. This is BS. This deal about it endangering marriage, I am not afraid of anyone else being happily married. Why would I be? How could someone else being happy be something that I don't want? This issue is second only to my vote for president in the upcoming election. I don't want anyone telling me or anyone who we can love or that our bodies/minds are subject to anyone elses' opinion or consideration. |
I just saw an ad on tv for yes on 8. They're going for the "churches will lose their non profit status... gay marriage will be taught in school..." OH NO OH NO. The sky will fall. fear Fear FEAR!
Bah. The last time seperate but equal worked out so well - learn from history - etc. psh. |
Has their cider been checked for melamine?
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OMG. I saw that, too. THAT is probably why, more than anything, the church is pushing their congregations to vote yes. $$$$$$ Lose their non profit status? I don't know how but oh boy, that non profit, can't lose that. When I think too closely about all of that, I see 'Pyramid'. This judging of people, whatever happened to 'Judgement Day'? That isn't anyone here on earths' job. |
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and who's gonna make out with me in the apple orchard .... ya know, just to make a political point? :cool: |
I must admit I'm hoping to run into a Yes on 8 canvasser so that when they tell me about the horror of churches losing non-profit status I can tell them I think that should happen regardless of what the gay people do.
I'm almost tempted to go grocery shopping in the central valley so my chances would increase. |
Alex, I agree with you on the churches and their tax-exemption.
Actually, aren't they supposed to lose their status for politicking like this? |
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Interesting. |
As said earlier in the thread, if you want to boycott gay-hating farmers, it's going to be a long list...
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No, we should bother. The list of fag-hating farmers may be long, but the list of those who post about it on their company website is short enough to deal with.
The list of those we know about is so short - consisting of one - that I think it's nearly a moral imperative to deal with it. |
The journey of a 1000 idiots begins with a single web site.
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Dude, multiple guests are reading this thread! SUCCESS.
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You can click on "Who's Online" under Quick Links and see who's on where, when, what they're doing, etc...
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well that there's a nifty little trick.
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Got a permission slip yesterday for my son to go to Riley's Farm.
As much as I hate to have him miss out on a field trip with his class, I just can't stomach letting him go. I thought he'd already been when all the yes on 8 crap was flying around - Or I would have brought it up to the school then. But I figured both my kids had already gone and it would seem that I was making trouble over something that wasn't even affecting my kids. But now? Now I need to do a little research on their blog and send links to the teacher/school/district to shed a little light on the bigots that get a TON of business from all these elementary schools going on field trips there. Anyone want to help go over their blog and come up with some ammo? |
It's not hard to find hate on that site. Last time I was there, there was vitriol in every blog post.
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An apple a day keeps the faggots away! That's their motto.
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Or if you can't stop the school from going, maybe the field trip needs a few *ahem* chaperones? :evil:
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FYI, looking under "Riley's Apple Farm" I couldn't find the farm blog, but looking under Riley's Farm, I did: http://www.rileysfarm.com/
And wow, apparently they don't limit their hate to teh gays... they hate Earth too! Quote:
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Interestingly, unless he honestly believe in an entity of "Mother Earth" (and he shouldn't, false gods and all that) then really he's telling us that God made a pretty rotten place.
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I think he's stating that he hates God and ll God created.
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This is what I've collected so far. I'm hoping to send them overwhelming evidence and really get them to think about giving this place business. I'm going to send it to the teacher, principal, district and PTA.
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You're going to have to go back to last year to find the really homophobic stuff.
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So, funny story.
A friend of mine recently started talking about an upcoming trip to an apple farm with her daughter's school. Wanna guess where they're going? |
Cupertino?
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Come down here - we have apple farms too !!! Big ones, in the blue mountains !!!
Nobody comes down here. :( |
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See, this is why Australian Tourism isn't working. :p
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