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Prop 8 Protest Information Thread
I think it would be easier to keep the various protest information in one location. At least it would be for me anyways ;)
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Is there still going to be another protest at the Mormon Temple, crack of dawn (6:30 a.m.) tomorrow (Saturday, November 8)??
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I'm leaving do dog walks but am available by phone. Chris is going to try to get out early so he can join us. I've mobilized a bunch of other LB folks.
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I love you blueerica.
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*deleted* HAHA--- Wrong THREAD!!!
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With this many threads showing up, someone somewhere better be handing out free Starbucks coffee.
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I am not sure where to post this, so I will post it here. It is something I thought about this morning.
One often sees a union picketing and will have a continuous loop of people walking a sidewalk. They will walk v e r y s l o w l y, especially when crossing the driveway (thereby really messing up peoples motation into and out of said facility). I think it would be great to organize people to walk picket lines in front of the driveways of the Mormon temple. For extended periods of time, but PARTICULARLY focused on when they have their services/meetings. How does one (with no time on his hands) communicate this to the world (and not just the world of LoT)? |
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Just got this via Facebook:
No On Prop 8 Protest Vigil - Costa Mesa, Friday 11/7 9pm South Coast Plaza @ Bristol Street & Town Center Drive No On Prop 8 Protest Rally - Huntington Beach, Saturday 11/8 2pm Huntington Beach Pier, Huntington Beach No On Prop 8 Protest March & Vigil - Laguna Beach, Saturday 11/8 5:30pm City Hall 505 Forest Avenue, Laguna Beach Marching to Main Beach from City Hall No On Prop 8 Candlelight Vigil - Rancho Santa Margarita, Sunday 11/9 5-8pm Lake Santa Margarita, Santa Margarita Pkwy, Rancho Santa Margarita Some candles can be provided depending on the turn out, but please plan to bring your own just in case. Bring as many friends as you can. Bring a good attitude, too! We will begin at the south side of RSM lake and probably plan a course down Santa Margarita Pkwy. Contact: teenageanthem@gmail.com No On Prop 8 Protest - Irvine, Thursday 11/13 4:30pm Corner of Campus & Culver Drive, Irvine Marching to Culver & Alton |
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I'm torn. Fight our way into LB tonight to join our friends, or add to the small but growing voice in OC at the Costa Mesa event.
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I think I'll be at the CM event, it may not be until closer to 10, but I'm pretty sure that is where I'll be.
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I was at the last two events (Mormon Church yesterday, stopping traffic in West LA) and the Wednesday Weho event.
Tonight I am gonna take a break, and may be at the one on Sunday morning (not sure yet). |
Good. The fact that some of y'all are going to try to make it to Saddleback on Sunday will make me feel better about missing tonight's in LB with you. I'd hate to think I missed my chance to protest along side my own gay friends.
ETA: Oh, and regarding Saddleback, make sure you check the blogspot site for where the protest is. Don't go TO the church address, that'll bring you onto church property. The protest itself will be on a stretch of Portola Pkway next to the church. But the protest organizer got the PD involved to run crowd control, so there shouldn't be a problem figuring it out. |
HELP - Attn Cherny especially, who posted about this in Lord Knows What Thread now that there are too frelling many of them ....
Is There or Is There Not another protest tomorrow (Saturday) early (6:30 a.m.) at the Mormon Temple in West L.A.??? Mormon-bashing minds want to know! :cool: |
We are going to this tonight:
No On Prop 8 Protest Vigil - Costa Mesa, Friday 11/7 9pm South Coast Plaza @ Bristol Street & Town Center Drive We'll bring my Mansion Bride battery-powered candles. :D Who else is in?? |
I am. I told Greg I'd call you guys when I (or we) got in the area to figure out where people are.
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I think most of the info's already been posted, but here's the info I got re: the Saddleback protest from a facebook invite:
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No, we didn't write it, just forwarded it on.
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Have fun storming the castle!
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From Equality California
Friday Community Gatherings
11/07/08 Costa Mesa 9 p.m. | South Coast Plaza Bristol Street & Town Center Drive Long Beach 6:45 p.m. to 9 p.m. | Broadway and Redondo Merced 6 p.m. | Veterans Park, M Street Contact: Leslie or Eileen, PLFLAG Merced 209.725.1140 Mission Viejo 4 to 7 p.m. | 200 Civic Center Palm Springs 5 p.m. | Palm Springs City Hall Santa Barbara 5 p.m. to 6 p.m. | De La Guerra Plaza Street 700-756 De La Guerra Plaza San Diego. 9 p.m. | Laurel and Sixth Avenue March to City Hall (202 C) San Francisco 5:30 p.m. | Civic Center Market and 7th to Dolores Park ------------------- Saturday Community Gatherings 11/08/08 Beverly Hills 6:30 a.m. to 9:30 a.m. | LDS Temple 10777 Santa Monica Boulevard Huntington Beach 2 p.m. Huntington Beach Pier Laguna Beach 5:30 p.m. | City Hall 505 Forest Avenue Marching to Main Beach Los Angeles 6 p.m. | Sunset Junction Silver Lake Rancho Cucamonga 11 a.m. | Heritage Park 5546 Beryl Street Please bring a chair with you! You may also bring a dish or desserts, drinks, cups, paper plates, etc. if you want. RSVP: patrickmilliner@yahoo.com Sacramento 7 p.m. | Capitol Building (west steps) Bring Signs, Wear Protest Shirts. People from SF will be showing up at the West Steps to show support with us. San Diego 12 Noon | Hillcrest 1st & University Marching to 30th in North Park. ----------------------------- 11/09/08 Sunday Community Gatherings Note: Details subject to change. Events not organized by Equality California. Rancho Santa Margarita 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. | Lake Santa Margarita Santa Margarita Pkwy Please bring candles. Contact: teenageanthem@gmail.com Vilsalia 5 p.m. | College of the Sequoias 915 S. Mooney Boulevard March down Mooney Boulevard to Caldwell Avenue and back. Park in Lot 3 off Meadow Lane. Leave signs at home and bring a candle instead. |
Thanks for that info Brad.
What are us gayboys gonna do when you leave town??? :( Ok, so as of now. The weekend protest schedule for :iSm: looks like this: Tonight - Long Beach (if I don't get hopelessly lost); Tomorrow very early - Mormon Temple (because it's my hand-down favorite protest spot and it's near where I live) - then a brief break to, believe it or not, finally finish the clean-up at the El Mio Halloween Party site ... then more protest at Sunset Junction early evening. Sunday - GOTH DAY. Disneyland. And on the seventh day they rested. I will instead protest August weather on Goth Day moved to November. Bah. If anyone is going to be at any of those events (including Goth Day) and wants to hook up, Calls Me, bitches!! |
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Wow! I haven't been part of a protest since high school, when a dress code (that would eliminate student's freedom to color their hair and wear ripped jeans) was proposed.
Large turn out in Long Beach:          Some good signs:         A few swankers:      :cool: |
Great to be out marching, the third day in a row. I've had a number of wonderful conversations with people out on the marches, some who were marching, some who were watching from the sidewalks. Tonight, after splitting off from the LoT lot, I had a great conversation with the girl I'd taken to calling "The Lesbian Bullhorn," and another 20 minute chat with an older woman who's a veteran of many civil disobedience arrests. One bizarre conversation I had was with a straight couple who asked, "Didn't proposition 8 pass?" I set them straight, so to speak, and then asked them if they were married. This is the same tack I took when walking through the straight crowd on the sidewalk in front of a restaurant. "Are you married? How 'bout you? You guys? That is sooo nice." I walked on the opposite side of the street a lot, on the sidewalk, specifically so I could strike up random conversations with folks. That's what's going to turn this thing around, not screaming in their faces. My Obama t-shirt and button have given me countless opportunities to respond to the joy people have to the election, with my experience of being denied this joy because of proposition 8.
My new line, when asked how I am, "I'm 92% great!" Thanks, Bill, for making such a great sign for me to carry tonight. I think I had more pictures taken of me with that sign than I ever have for Halloween in Weho! My legs are tired, and I'm attending an opera event tomorrow afternoon, so I'll miss the Silverlake march. Be safe and have fun (yes!), whoever ends up going. Don't forget bottled water and sunscreen. Anyone want to go to an opera event with me? It's free. |
Well, the event at South Coast Plaza was much smaller, about 30 people. Still, that's enough to make an impression, standing on the corner. I reused one of my pre-vote signs that said "Prop HATE" and had a huge 8 in a slashed circle. Later I bought a new posterboard for whatever my next sign need is. There have been so many great suggestions I feel like my old signs are, well, old.
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The info on upcoming protests is pretty well known. The OC register mentioned the Saddleback one in an article already. Do not be surprised to see counter-demonstrators.
Incidentally, here are their service times (from their website): Sunday 9:00*, 11:15 a.m., 4:30, 6:30, & 8:30** p.m. In case, you know, you wanna be there when they'll see you ;) |
So very awesome!
I love the signs LoTters! I'm making one for tonight. Got to think of something good. :) |
You guys are awesome! :) Great signs.
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My poor aching feet.....
It was fun. A little scary at the end, with the police and their riot gear and the people sitting in the middle of the street. But all went well. |
Here's coverage on the Long Beach march from the Press Telegram
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Dunno if I was the only one, but I spent some time yesterday afternoon emailing every local news outlet I could think of with info on Saddleback to be sure the word got out. Yay! Wish we could have been in Costa Mesa. We were all ready to go when we realized that in the excitement of actually finding stuff in OC we, Prudence's game night had slipped our minds (and I'm glad we remembered that because it was a fabulous night and a welcome respite from confronting the H8). Just means we'll have even more pent up for them Saddlebackians tomorrow. |
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Information on protest signs:
Poles for signs can not be made out of hard metal, hard plastic, cable etc. If it is made out of wood, it needs to be 1/4" thick and not to exceed 2" in width anything larger than that is not allowed. Source - Listed under Demonstration Equipment Prohibited I posted this because I didn't know that. :) |
At least in Beverley Hills.
"Unlawfully Assembly"? |
I was glad I went last night (even if it caused me to miss Game Night :(). It was a very uplifting event. We walked the entire 3 miles plus another mile from J&B's house (this done at my fast pace - sorry guys). I wish I could go to the Silverlake event today, but I've got work coming out my ass. Not fun.
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Maybe by 'our society' she meant the Mormon church.
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Well, at least we're in fabulous company :D |
...and we have great asses.
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I'm not gay, but I'm certainly a deviant sub-human pervert.
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Any LoTters in Chicago?
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Focus on the Family? More like Feces on the Family...
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So here's the magic key to avoid being arrested at a street march, get on the sidewalk and keep walking. The get back into the street. That's what I did last night after splitting off from the LoT lot, stayed with the march for another hour a half. Also, a good idea to thank every cop you come in contact with for keeping us safe. I even thanked the lined up riot police, some of them actually returned the compliment with a smile.
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This morning's protest at The Mormon Temple was very low-key. Perhaps 25 of us there.
Still ... the site seems more relevant to me than any other location so far. There's lots of street traffic with tons of honking supporters (missing completely from my own experience of Long Beach last night) ... and not only our presence, but every honk is a sign of community protest against the despicable, scurulous methods of the Mormon Church ... my sworn enemy. Oh well, off to Silver Lake. But I hope for many more protests at the Temple. And seeing as I live relatively nearby ... I think I might make a habit of going there every Sunday morning for a while. :D |
Did the rally tonight, and the first part of the march. I was wearing the wrong shoes because of that opera thing I had to go to (turns out, I am not an opera buff) and was just too wiped out from the last 3 days to really commit to the full march. There was a spectacular marching band in the crowd, and a group of Indian dancers. Best march ever!
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Yep, Best March Ever. Totally 60's Vietnam/I Have a Dream Revisited.
The Marching Band was teh crowning awesome of the awesomest March in forever, certainly the crowning glory of this week of Prop H8 Protest. Let me say right off that I missed the element of "civilian" contact and support. And the rally was actually too crowded to really get a look at all the cool signs and mingle with folks. I'd estimate there were more than 6,000 people in Sunset Junction. But the energy was fantastic, vibrant and happening. The neighborhood was great, with a fantastic projection system of relevent graphics on a garage door, and a bunch of people bullhorning from the rooftop of Rough Trade. I was with mousepod and the wonderful Mrs. mousepod, our local Silver Lake peeps. Just as I uncannily did with the LoT folk the night before in Long Beach, i found Gemini Cricket within moments of wading into the huge crowd. Bizarre. I wandered off into the thick of the crowd to find Chernabog, but no luck on that score. The place was so crowded, I almost couldn't find the peeps I was with again, and I got kinda scared for sec. There was some kind of program going on, but we couldn't hear it at all. It was just insanity. When the March finally started, though, the event took off into the stratosphere. Once again, the L.A.P.D. has it all over the over-reactive stormtroopers of Long Beach. They simply rode ahead and closed off side streets so we could march down Santa Monica Blvd. to Vermont, then back up to Sunset in a big loop back to the Junction. The March was so much fun. The crowd spread out so we could all interact more and it was a blast. Alas, we lost Brad Cricket pretty soon after the March started, but I had a fantastic time with mousepod and Heather. I've got to say here how fantastic is that, during this week of protest, there coincidentally has been a "host straight couple" out to show support and demonstrate solidarity in the most moving ways. For Wednesday's rally in West Hollywood, LSPE and Tom were on hand (though technically they live in Hollywood). Yesterday's Long Beach Rally and March saw locals Not Afraid and €uroMeinke on hand, and tonight's Silver Lake extravaganza was hosted by the mousepod and his wonderful Mrs. Thank you all so much. Your support means so much to me, and to all of us LoT Gayz I'm sure! So at one point, just before we realized the march was going to loop back, we decided we had gone too far out for our tastes and wanted to start the long road back. We pulled off the side to get doughnuts and drinks .... and paused to watch the parade go by. We figured we were in the middle of the pack ... but the march kept going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going, and going. It was unbelieveable. Someone said news reports had the marching crowd at 6 city blocks long. It seemed longer. When the full on Marching Band finally went by, I almost lost it .... the awesomeness was too much for me!! Fortunately, having got out of the stream, we could see that the march was turning a corner and likely looping back to the starting point ... so we kept with it for the full course meal. Near the end, and I don't know how, we ended up from all the way in the rear to all the way in the front. Turns out there was a truck leading the way ... and in front of that a few police cruisers as "pace cars" and then a phallanx of motorcyle cops that would drive ahead and close off all the side streets in advance of the tremendous march. So much freaking better than Long Beach ... and yet the route prevented things from getting out of hand and messing up traffic in East Hollywood and Los Feliz as happened in West L.A. on Thursday. L.A.P.D. had it down ... and Long Beach Police Gestapo SUCK! When we finally got back to the Junction, we were on a bit of a hill, and could finally look back and see the most of the procession stretching off into infinity. It gave me goosebumps. It was like the Washington Mall for Martin Luther King and sh!t like that ... classic, HUGE, civil rights demonstration. OMG. So Frelling Fantastic!!!! :snap: :snap: :snap: mousepod took photos, and i hope he's posting them right now as I type this. |
The protest rally in Silver Lake was great. Huge turnout. Apparently, 10,000 people were there.
I also brought 2 friends of mine to the rally. It was their first protest ever. We marched but gave out at about 9:15p or so. My sign said, "They Can't Amend Love" on the front and "2nd Class Citizen, 1st Rate B!tch" on the back with arrows pointing to me. :) |
What do you mean "gave out?"
We did the whole route, and got all the way back to MY car (after getting back to the mousepod car and driving me back to Silver Lake) by 9:30! Sorry we lost you Brad. Your sign was Great!! |
Top story of the channel 4 news.
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Cops are apparently already circling Saddleback, Alex said he saw like 5 cop cars trolling around that intersection.
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Just stay on the sidewalk, kids.
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I wish I could go to Saddleback with you guys (work prevents). Each of these events had a somewhat different flavor ... and this mornings looks to be the most, shall we say, confrontational. :evil:
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Really really glad we got to participate in the march last night. It was a great experience to be among thousands of people of like minds on the subject. Let's hope this noise amounts to something...
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We're gearing up for Saddleback. Signs are made.
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Good luck at Saddleback today! I fear for the OC Marchers. If you think LB was a bit reactive, OC is usually far worse. (Did I ever tell you about the time I got pulled over in Newport for "looking lke a punk rocker", had my picture taken for the "punk file" and then let go with no vehicle violation of any sort?
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OC was awesome, probably about 600 people there including Me, CP, GD, Zapp, NM, EH and a girl I work with. Lots of support, even from people coming in/leaving the church. The Sheriff's dept was great too. One of the ones in charge was telling us to be louder.
Three 'yes' supporters were walking around, a few people flipped us off while driving by (including some kids and some people driving into the church). Very positive experience. |
600's probably high, but definitely well into the hundreds.
I'm glad I could be part of it. There was a LOT of support from the cars passing by, and that felt good. There were a few cars giving thumbs down or other gestures of bigotry, drawing chants of "Get your H8 out of our State!" Particularly satisfying was crossing the street in front of the line of cars exiting after the morning service. My sign had two slogans, both aimed directly at the church supporters ("Keep Your Bible out of My Constitution" and "My Marriage Doesn't Need Your Protection"), so I relished getting to put that in the faces of the bigots leaving. Honking supporters boosts morale, but they aren't the ones we need to see the message. ABC7 news was there before 10AM. Fox 11 showed up as did NBC 4. I never saw anyone from CBS2, KCAL, or KTLA. |
Oh hey, if you got to abc7.com there's a video about the protest right on the front page. After they introduce the on scene reporter the camera zooms in on the protesters, and you can see CP, me and BTD arriving, walking along the sidewalk. BTD's carrying the pink sign, CP's carrying the one that reads "Intolerance is Immoral" and I'm wearing a green hat.
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Officer Nelson on the scene was awesome. During lulls in the chanting he was riding his little scooter thing down the line saying things like, "Come on, you're too quiet. Why'd you even come out to protest?" :D The police were VERY supportive. |
There's apparently going to be one at San Francisco City Hall (and all other city hall's that get people) next Saturday.
We'll be going to that one (and 40% of the reason I post this is to make sure I go and don't find a way to talk myself out of it since protests and rallys are really outside my natural inclinations). |
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I've also heard that there will be one at LA City Hall next Saturday. |
A few photos from today:
   The gentleman with the "No Special Rights for Heteros" sign is my coworker   Officer Nelson   |
         More pics @ my Facebook photo album. |
Was that EH1812 at a PROTEST? In a crowd?!??!
Thanks, EH and all of you - CP, GD, NM and BTD. YOU ROCK! (wow, the straight LoT contingent certainly outnumbered the LoT gay contingent on this one ... what if Isaac wasn't there??? Hahahah) Ok, after five protest rallys and marches since Election Day ... I think I'm a little done for a while. WeHo, Mormon Temple, LongBeach, Mormon Temple Lite, and SilverLake. Phew! I'm gonna go the LHC meeting Tuesday night to talk about ideas of where to go from here, and to channel the hopefully continuing interest in activities. But next Saturday at City Hall sounds like the next time I'll be in the mood for protest. And Tiki Party Afterwards!!! |
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Fox 11 had protests as their 3rd story. Showed the protests in LA and briefly showed the one at Saddleback. You can see my [hot pink] sign from afar and they interviewed "baby food guy". They showed some interviewers with actual protesters in the LA area.
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Too cool, you guys. :snap:
I've refrained from saying much on this subject, but not out of disinterest. Truth be told, I'm pretty damned angry. As some of you know, I have a relative by marriage who is Mormon and I've had to put up with some (a lot) of Mormon related stupidity over the years. I am just so over their superior 'we're gonna be Gods someday, and you're not!' mentality and it's been very tiresome, but this goes beyond the pale. They need to pay for mixing their religion with politics- and money is the only language they understand. (They believe that earthly riches indicate heavenly favor). I sincerely hope the IRS does go after them, along with the Catholic church and any other church who wants to play this sort of game. I have no problem with other's beliefs, but when they seek to legislate from the pulpit and hurt people I care about, it makes them the enemy and I will do whatever I can to defeat them in their aims. |
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So apparently I was on the KNBC news. But I turned it off cause some stupid Dateline episode was on until waaaaay late. Of course I tried to find it on the interwebs and can't.
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Sooo... is tomorrow the first protest-free day since the passage of 8, or is the barrage of a protest a day going to (delightfully) continue?
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We have, indeed, spread out and covered all of the days, and that makes me very proud. You know what would be even greater? If we could get EVERYONE together for the march on city hall next week. We've marched in small groups, but I think it would be great to have a LoT-en-masse march together.
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Agreed with Gn2 - these rallies have solidified the movement. There was a guy at the rally yesterday getting email addresses from everyone so he could send out updates on other rallies.
This will come together and become a force to be reckoned with. One of the signs at our rally said "No more Mr. Nice Gay" (with pictures of Big Gay Al and Mr. Garrison), and I think that hit it on the head. :) |
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I wanted to drop by and post some encouragement for y'all. Keep fighting for what you believe in. Don't ever give up. You may not win this round but if it means that much to you don't every give up. Even the smallest voice can have a huge impact. All you have to do is stand up and let your voice be heard. While i disagree with both sides on this matter I have the utmost amount of respect for each of you fighting your principles and your cause. Thumbs up to each of you. I'm proud of y'all!!
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I love all the pictures.
I get so happy inside and teary-eyed on the outside seeing pictures of my friends standing up for something so important. More than that, I noticed that with my semi sorta randy sign that I was holding on Saturday, it takes courage to protest knowing that all eyes are on you and your fellow protesters. I know that as someone who can be kinda anxiety-riddled in crowds, it takes a lot out of me (you know, someone who chooses to express himself a lot on a discussion board, in writing and who is clumsy in face-to-face debates) to go out in public and voice myself. I'm glad there are people out there who are leaving their comfort zones behind and speaking up. :) |
Brad, I know how you feel. We're on different sides of the cosmos on the issues but we have both done the same thing during this cycle. If you told me a year and a half ago I'd be standing outside in the cold waving sings for a political candidate I would have said "You must be out of you mind!" It was something well out of my comfort zone. However I will admit you showed more courage than I did by default. You can actually see the reactions of people driving and walking by. I can't. I didn't know even half of the reaction I got until being briefed after wards. While I got thumbs up and horn honks I also got plenty of middle fingers. I had a feeling I would but I did it anyway because I needed to stand up for what I believed in the the candidate I believed in. You made the same decision Brad and for that I am proud of you!
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This is so important and I think when something is that important we forget our anxieties and just do what we need to do. I am so proud of you, and Aud for stepping outside your comfort zones as well. I know the protest in Lake Forest wasn't a claustrophobic crush with a slow march of people, we were able to walk around freely and I'm sure that helped with some of the crowd anxiety Aud expressed and I have. |
One of the projects I am working on is contacting all of the marriage equality groups and letting them know that there are a ton of websites, groups, etc that are popping up all over. It's great. However, I think it's getting confusing for a lot of people. I think people want to donate their money to fight for marriage equality, but they are confused as to which group to donate to.
Equality California - http://www.eqca.org No on Prop 8 Website - http://www.noonprop8.com/ Californians Against Hate - http://www.californiansagainsthate.com/ Love Honor Cherish - http://www.lovehonorcherish.org/ HRC - http://www.hrc.org/issues/marriage.asp Invalidate Prop 8 (LA Gay & Lesbian Center) - http://www.invalidateprop8.org |
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Hopefully, I can join in something this weekend. I had to work this past one, so I really feel like I missed out.
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Join the Impact! - Protest Prop 8 on Nov 15th!
November 15th, 2008 - 10:30a PST / 1:30p EST
This Saturday! Nationwide Protest of Proposition 8 At a City Hall Near You! Los Angeles City Hall 200 N Spring St Los Angeles, CA 90012 (213) 485-2121 San Diego City Hall 111 W Harbor Dr San Diego, CA 92101 (619) 525-5000 Sacramento City Hall 915 I St # 5 Sacramento, CA 95814 (916) 264-5011 San Francisco City Hall 1 Dr Carton B Goodlett Pl San Francisco, CA 94102 (415) 554-4000 San Jose City Hall 200 E Santa Clara St San Jose, CA 95113 (408) 535-3500 Moreno Valley City Hall 14177 Frederick St Moreno Valley, CA 92553 (951) 413-3800 Bakersfield City Hall 1600 Truxtun Ave # 300 Bakersfield, CA 93301 (661) 326-3765 Phoenix City Hall 111 W Monroe St # 1216 Phoenix, AZ 85003 (602) 252-9600 Spokane City Hall 808 W Spokane Falls Blvd # 550 Spokane, WA 99201 (509) 625-6225 Seattle City Hall 600 4th Ave # 2 Seattle, WA 98104 (206) 684-8888 Salt Lake City City Council Office 451 S State St # 304 Salt Lake City, UT 84111 (801) 535-7600 Honolulu City Hall 1450 Ala Moana Blvd # 1286 Honolulu, HI 96814 (808) 973-2600 To name a few.... :) Major National Protest Against Prop 8 and then Major National Going Away Party for GC! :D |
Ok. I think we'll up for the one at LA City Hall. We can take the Blue Line from Long Beach, since that's where we're ending up that evening anyway. :)
I'm gonna have to make some awesome signs. Edit: Just thought - Kevy, would you volunteer to show up in your shiny pink Halloween frock with a sign that reads, "I'm in a 'traditional' marriage!" ;) |
THIS IS A NATIONWIDE EVENT - ALL US STATES HAVE AT LEAST 1 PROTEST LOCATION!
http://www.jointheimpact.com for Locations --------------------------------------- Be part of the next Civil Rights Movement - Be part of history - Join the National Protest / March for Equality on November 15th! --------------------------------------- WE NEED VOLUNTEERS! Now is your chance to be a "community organizer"! Go to the website and post if you are willing to volunteer to help get out the word in your city. We need 3 or 4 dedicated volunteers in each town to contact the clubs and organizations in your area and to print/distribute flyers to get a turnout in your town. This is not a California issue. This is an issue of equality across America. Stand up and make your voice heard. Visit the website www.jointheimpact.com. ----------------- SATURDAY NOV 15TH - 10:30AM WEST COAST 11:30AM MOUNTIAN TIME ZONE 12:30PM CENTRAL TIME ZONE 1:30PM EAST COAST PRINT OUT THE SIGNS - TAKE THEM TO THE PROTEST Prop 8 Protest: A Call to the LGBTQ Community, Friends, & Family Lengthy Description (SFW): Spoiler:
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Well, I was thinking of leaving my car in Long Beach and talking the Blue Line downtown, so I could end up back in LB for the Tiki (sadness) Party ... um six hours or so before it starts.
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Doh! The day that I'm moving! How long do protests usually last?
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The 1st Mormon Temple event was scheduled for two hours.
It lasted eight. (I left after one, so there's nothing keeping you prisoner or anything .... just sayin' ... these things tend to take on a life of their own sometimes.) |
Wouldn't it be more effective to protest at a city hall on a weekday though?
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Yes. If you want 1000 people instead of 10,000.
The location is just symbolic. City Hall has nothing to do with this. Even at the marriage licence issuing level, the government entity is L.A. County, not L.A. City. But Norwalk is an awfully boring place for a protest. The actual government entity to protest is the state government, and that would mean going up to Sacramento (where I understand a big protest is planned for November 22 ... and I can't go because, ironically, I have my last straight wedding that day). ;) The protest is not really against the government at all. They did not do this to us. It is against our fellow Californians ... and City Hall is just as meaningful or meaningless as any place else. But it's not in a gay stronghold or at the gates of the enemy, like all the previous ones. Viva la tiny difference. |
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Pretty frightening maybe. (I couldn't stomach looking at myself in the mirror. I don't think I actually did until later in the evening - AFTER a fair amount of alcohol had been consumed.) |
oh, please. You wouldn't even be the 10th most hideous drag queen there.
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I just checked and this Saturday's nationwide protest has an OC contingent. 250 confirmed on Facebook, 186 maybes at this point. The one for Saddleback had 86 confirmed on Facebook and 300 people showed up.
I'm leaning towards going to the Irvine one on Saturday. As much as I'd love to be with everyone in LA I have to admit I'm kind of scared of such a large rally. OC needs supporters... Anyway, still thinking on this. |
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It felt like preaching to the choir at the Silver Lake protest. Hmmmm. |
No, no, please. It would be so much coolness if all of us Swankster Lotfolk GayRights Supporters and Gayz could finally be together for one of these events.
Do as you will of course, but the thought of LoT Unity for this Saturday is a thrilling one to me. |
Gotta agree w/ iSm on this one.
Considering this will be a nationwide protest, I think it would be better if we got together in Los Angeles, rather than split up throughout SoCal. edit: OOH! So far over 2,180 people have confirmed on Facebook they're attending this event, with an addtional 1,000+ listed as maybe. :D |
I have an SUV. I will go around the OC and pick up LoTers on Saturday AM if that might make things easier.
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I can't tell you how much I've appreciated the extra support from LSPE and Tom when we protested in WeHo, NA and €uro when we hit the streets of Long Beach, and mousepod and H. when we rallied big time in Silver Lake ... and I know Isaac appreciated it when BTD, EH1812, NirvanaMan, GD and CP protested alongside him at Saddleback.
Please know that we feel your support at all times and in all places. We know you are with us on this, and we love you all the more for it. But, just speaking for myself, I find it very emotionally uplifting when my straight friends are there helping us all fight for gay rights, for equal rights. It would be astounding if all of the LoT contingent of gays and our fabulous supportive friends could be together for one of these big events. I would simply squee. And we could sing Kumbaya. Hold hands. Make Out with Kevy's Wife. :D |
I would love to go on Saturday, but I'm throwing a pretty big party that evening (and now I suddenly have BIG plans for Sunday as well). I'm not out yet, but I think it would be prudent of me to stay home.
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I have work (as usual when there's other stuff I'd like to do... I have a long shift), so for me Irvine would be about all I could make it to.
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Wait. Kevy is saying that ISM is as good in bed as GusGus?
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Anyone going to be in SF on Saturday?
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Interesting, and much more practical than the Pink Holiday effort to spread the economic hardship over an entire consumer-spending season.
This one, if widely participated in, is bite-size enuf to attract media attention. I like it. If it catches on, I'm in. The problem is ... there's something like 50 gay rights groups in the state, with more cropping up every day ... and precious little coordination or even communication between them. Until we get some organizational cohesion going, we are never going to make a dent in public opinion ... and we are never going to be able to battle the entrenched and effective church structure in passing a ballot initiative to restore gay marriage rights in California. |
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And I certainly understand Not Afraid needing to attend to a party for, heheh, all of us ... later in the day.
Can €uro come out and play? And all you OCers who can attend a rally in OC ... I wish you would consider coming to L.A. and singing Kumbaya with us. Please at least send GusGus so I have someone to make out with. Being around all the gays all the time all week long is messing with my libido, and I need a pleasure outlet. GusGus is a GalGal and all, but she's an awesome kisser! I'm a semi-equal opportunist anyway. |
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I don't know how I feel about that. Isn't this basically saying, "We'll go hide so you can't see us"?!?!? Isn't that backwards?
Let's pretend that gay people are oh I don't know, purple-skinned. and for some reason, the non-purple people don't like purple people. If the purple people said, "OK we want to show you how much impact we make to society, so on this one day, we are going to stay indoors!" Well for people who are purple-averse, wouldn't that be, "Well, that's a relief, I don't have to look at purple people today." Wouldn't it be better if the purple-aversion people saw when they stepped outside that the world was full of purple, pink, red, green, and orange people, all getting along together? |
Um, no. They hate us loving each other, they love our money. They love our industry. They love our artistry, creativity, and company.
TAKE THAT ALL AWAY FROM THEM for a day and let them imagine a world without us forever. Not only without our money (but boy that will hit them hardest), but every other contribution that we make. They will never notice us NOT having sex in front of them ... but they will notice their less bountiful and less beautiful world. Ok, they won't. A$$hats ... but they'll notice the $$. (and, yeah, I don't expect €uro to be available on the day of a big party at his place. I just wanted to give the boys another chance to drool over him.) :p |
I'm pretty sure we're going to be in Irvine. As much as I am bummed that we haven't been able to join the LoT-at-large for one of these, and as much as I'm uncharacteristically feeling drawn towards what will be a huge showing in L.A., I've lived in OC for over a decade and really do consider this stupid county home, and this is an opportunity to do something to try to improve it.
Yes, even L.A. ended up voting for Prop 8 (pretty much every county that isn't S.F. or adjacent to did), but OC is in far greater need of "fixing" in this area. So I want to stand as a resident of OC in OC and fight for what's right. |
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She's never been to SF before, might as well have a trial by fire and get arrested! ;) I'll miss trying to find you in the crowd Deebs! |
So, do some of the LA folks want to plan a time for us to all take the Blue Line together from Long Beach?
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We'll be subwaying it from NoHo. Cell phones at the ready when we arrive. I don't know the layout of City Hall, or the rally parameters, well enough to say to meet in a particular place. Keep your phones on, and we'll find each other.
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It's going to be very hard to find each other. I actually would recommend we meet beforehand in a slightly off-location place. Like, say, for a meal together on Olvera Street or something. This crowd will be larger than the first protest, I'm sure, and we couldn't find Tom until well after the rally. I'd really strongly recommend we have a meeting place and time if we want to be together in this.
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There wasn't much luck with that at the first rally in WeHo, if I recall. And it took over half an hour to find Gn2Dlnd via cell phone method.
That's why I was soooo glad to find the Long Beach LoT contingent within 10 seconds, and find Gemini Cricket in the Silverlake Crowd within 30. Anyway, I'll try to find some info about where the focal point of the City Hall rally is going to be. I intend to get there early, but I'm going to drive. GD and CP, I understand your decision. I'll miss you, but Rock On for O.C. ... and we'll all compare Simultaneous Rally stories at the Tiki later. ETA: If we go with LPSE's suggestion, I'm not sure that will work for me. I'm gonna get there early to be near the, um, stage or whatever. I'm tired of missing every "program" since the one in WeHo. Couldn't hear a thing at either Long Beach or Silverlake. But I'll have the sign that's my current avatar, and that should make me kinda easy to find ... if all best laid mice and men fails. |
I'm so sorry I'm going to miss this one. I just don't see how I could do it and still pull off the party.
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Yeah, it would be tough. Of course, the thing's at 10:30 in the morning. If you stuck to just One Hour, you could have cake and eat also.
It would be hectic ... but that's your middle name, no? :p |
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Let's see..... 8:00 - up, feed and walk animals and eat something 9:00 - get on train to Downtown 10:10 - arrive at Civic Center. 10:30 - 11:30 - protest 11:30 - 12:30 - farwellagains 12:30 - 1:45 - train to LB 2:00 back home for party prep Can she do it? Will my foot allow for it? |
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Poor Lance has to help WOW-addicts that day, but gets out at 2:30, so if anything is still going on, he'll meet up with us then. |
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Kevy - are you and GusGus planning on making it too? NA - do you want to meet at the Willow station at 9? |
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Of if there's going to be an OC thing, I could do that. But OC sounds splintered between Irvine City Hall and South Coast Plaza. |
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DP, do you want to drop off the butter at my house before the train?
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Let me 'splain ... Last Saturday, I went to two protests. One was at the Mormon Temple. It was a small group of about 25. I was really glad I added to the number, because the small number of people made that important. It was my 4th protest of the week. That night, I went to Silverlake. You'd think I would have been a bit jaded on my 5th protest of the week ... but the HUGE crowd was transformative for me. Experiencing the sheer numbers of people in support of this was nothing short of amazing ... and when I looked back on the whole march (or the portion visible to the human eye) from atop a hill at the end of the route, I almost cried. It was a taste of I Have A Dream on the Washington mall. Yeah, not that big ... but the bigness was impressive and fantastic and so moving. So maybe it's a selfish urge ... but I want to witness and be part of the the biggerdom. There's nothing wrong with supporting your home town effort. But if I lived in Fresno .... I'd drive down to L.A. just sayin' :D |
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I meant ride the train back :) This is definitely not a plentiful parking situation.
NA, can you post directions to the station? |
The station is on the corner of Willow and Long Beach Blvd in the same lot that houses an Albertson's, a Carl's, a Rite-Aid. The actual station is actually behind the Starbucks through the parking garage.
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If we go, and that is a giant IF, contingent on out of town visitors and plans that were firmed up before this was announced, it will be in the OC.
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I can respect choosing to protest in your own county. I hope we'll all be able to protest as a big group sometime soon, though - something about getting all of us there, and together, would feel very satisfying, I think. Even despite the pain and frustration of this battle.
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Hahah, that's 'cause you're stuck in the O.C. :p
But seriously, we're all likely stuck in a past time. Orange County is less conservative than it once was, and our perceptions haven't caught up. My perception was the L.A. County was unabashedly liberal ... and we all know how that turned out last week. :( |
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Well, it's not actually huge. Not in comparison to even the small LA rallies. But you're not going for huge, you're going to represent your beliefs in your home town.
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About 4,200 confirmed for the LA protest on Facebook.
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KPFK keeps insisting there were 20,000 people at Silverlake last Saturday.
Mainstream media insisted it was 5,000. Guess what my own personal estimate was, without even knowing it would be right in between. That's right, 10,000 was my guestimate from being there. That's a lot. It was impressive. I hope there's more downtown on Saturday ... and frankly, I NEED the huge turnout to encourage me. This has to stay active in some form for 6 months or so, till the Surpreme Court decides the issue. So it's important for me to see high energy and interest now, because it will obviously slough off over time. Anyway, I'm looking forward to sharing the day with all you cool folks who will be there, and for trading stories later at the Tiki Party ... where we're going to have a big send-off for the grand old gay activist of our group. |
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Ha- I wonder what he'd say if it were *his* right to marry taken away.
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How about if straights can only get married after a waiting period, you know, like buying a firearm?
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I almost like that idea.
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My dad has advocated the "waiting period for a marriage" for a long time now. He especially became interested in that after my sister's first marriage.
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I'll be attending Saturday - I need to be a part of this, and I'll take plenty of pictures.
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Apparently, the whole choice canard is behind lots of the antipathy towards gay marriage rights.
No matter who thinks such things, you have to wonder how they can manage such a complex task as tying their shoes when they can't seem to make the leap from "Hmmm, did I choose to be straight" to the obvious answer of the gay choice question. Then, of course, for anyone still with us past the neanderthal stage of human brain power .... the question remains ... so what if it is? How does that choice invalidate in any way my right as free being to select the mate I want to spend my life with? Of course, it's not a choice. And of course ... it is. Don't be concerned with facebook jerkwad. He's a mental amoeba. * * * * But yeah, I can see the perspective of sore losers a bit. We lost, why don't we just accept it gracefully? HA! Maybe this is how it had to happen! Maybe this is what's needed to awake the sleeping giant. I hope to see some more awakening this weekend. Maybe Prop 8 had to fail so this could be decided, once and for all, by the California Supreme Court ... instead of going back and forth in dueling ballot battles forever. Yes of course this is how it had to happen. How do I know? Because that's how it happened. |
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Integration was legislated from the bench. Just because the mob didn't choose it, doesn't mean it's not the right thing to do.
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I don't know who all here has joined OCEC group on Facebook, but I just got this message, and thought I'd share:
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Well Hell, of course I can't get to Orange County in the middle of a work day ... and I daresay most folks nearer by can't do that either.
But, sigh, this hits me as far more important than tomorrow's rally. This must be met with counter-measures ... so i hope some good people somewhere in the O.C. are available and up to it. Not necessarily LoT people, just good people ... of which we are a sub-set. :blush: |
Focus On The Family, which donated half a million $ to yes on 8, is now planning layoffs.
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Of course, if the courts decided to restrict rights instead of allowing them, I'd be pissed off, and people that were fans of such a thing would be happy. But I think that's kind of the point... |
Voice of bu!!sh!t. Maybe you can find me an example, but I've never seen an instance of progressives claiming such absurdities. Not even with hardcore rightwing Supreme Court rulings.
Oh, the one exception ... and it wasn't referred to as legislating from the bench - - it was referred to as a coup d'etat. In my experience, however, progressives have a positive and accepting view of justice, even when they don't agree with every ruling and decision. Instead, it is indeed the legislature we decry for what are deemed crimes in this nation. But we are blessed with, ya know, intelligence and we call judges' decisions that are a crock or immoral, a "crock" or "immoral." We don't call them legislation. |
I'm free and work 5 minutes away. I've got a sign in my car (I was in a hurry out the door so stupidly only grabbed one sign instead of the 3 I have to share) and will most likely be there.
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It's not "legislating from the bench", it's "fufilling their constitutional duties". Anyone who thinks that judges shouldn't overturn unjust and unconstitutional laws is anti-American.
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Some may find those interpretations so twisted they are contrary to the actual law (in their opinion), but they are not new law. Judge's set precedent. It is not law. I admit that may be confusing to the layman. So please consider yourself informed. Name me an instance of judge's legislating from the bench. That's a challenge open to Kevy, Cricket, and everyone. Sorry, but the term makes me ill, it's for retards, and I'm sick of it. It's so disrespectful of the brilliance of our admittedly imperfect system. Not all justice is really that ... too far from it, I'm afraid. But try to imagine where we'd be without our structure for impartial justice. OMG, how much more fuct our lives would all be. We certainly wouldn't have been fighting to preserve our marriage rights. We wouldn't have had them. Sigh. My apologies for the rant. Pet.Peeve. :( |
Maybe I'm confused but if every judge thought the way you do, then there should be no disagreements in the Supreme Court. There wouldn't be a concern about who is appointing judges to the Supreme Court if they were all interpreting law correctly. I can't for a second believe that someone like Scalia has never voted without his conservative agenda in mind.
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^ yes, GD says it better than I. Sorry I flew off the handle, but being in the law biz (disclaimer: I'm NOT a lawyer), I find the absurd charge of "Activist" judges and "Legislating from the Bench" so completely offensive.
Otherwise, of course, I agree completely with what Gemini Cricket posted above about what a rightwing catch-phrase it has become. And, in turn, that's why it bugs me so much. Worse, it's a dangerous slope that promotes intolerance for the rule of law. I'm certainly not one to be in lockstep with the rule of law ... but without a certain measure of respect for our judicial system, we're screwed. But of course, not nearly as much as we'd be screwed without our judicial system ... which is why wholesale disrespect for it really bugs me. |
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As I already pointed out, there are PLENTY of decisions we progressives disagree with. No progressive I've ever known or heard has ever used those terms of dismissal.
We simply say we disagree, set forth why, and speak like intelligent people - instead of demonizing and using misleading phrases as ad hominem attacks as if we didn't have any other leg to stand on for our rational arguments. Let's face it, liberals and progressives are just So Cool. :cool: |
Seriously, is there an example of a judicial decision that progressives have called "legislating from the bench"?
Oh, and psh, the concept that everyone on the left wing "speaks like intelligent people" is a joke. :rolleyes: |
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So .... now I'm getting a wee bit nervous about parking downtown, even at my little-known lot near the courthouse. Choices for the subway have me driving first to either Hollywood or Long Beach, but the Long Beach (Blue) line at least stops near City Hall.
So is there a meeting time at the station (at Willow and LB Blvd. is it?) ??? |
Back from the trenches.
I'm an idiot and left my phone sitting at work on the charger, so no photos from me :(. But there were plenty of folks there with cameras, including one Mr. Norm Fishbulb, so there are sure to be photos available in a day or so. I took an early lunch so I could be there before the scheduled noon press conference while they were arriving. As I pulled into the parking lot I spotted about 4 people with signs on the corner. In the parking lot, as I walked across it with my sign, there were a few news vans and MANY people carrying yellow Yes banners. It's the first time I've been on the streets outnumbered like that, a new experience. I said hi to the few people that were there. The organizer recognized my sign from Saddleback. Then a cop came over and gave the usual, "Be safe and polite" speech. He then let us know that the lot I happened to be parked in was probably not the best lot to be in, so I handed my sign off while I tooled around for a place to park that wouldn't get me towed. It also meant that I think I missed most of the news crew filming that went on. By the time I got back the crowd had already grown quite a bit. Probably 40 or so folks, some had moved to a corner across the street. Shortly, as the number of protesters continued to increase, a contingent moved away from the hotel entrance and towards the busier intersection at McArthur. Maybe 15 people ended up over there. Eventually, with but an evening's and morning's notice, the crowd swelled to somewhere around 100 people! It was amazing, we overwhelmed the trickle of Yes folk heading into the hotel. Peacefully but angrily greeting them with chants of "No on Hate" or "Yes You Hate". I had to get out of there pretty early as I still needed to grab food before returning to work, but with the solid size of the crowd, with more people arriving by the minute, it was a good time to depart, but not before I went out of my way to drive by with a supportive blare of the horn while I made my U-turn. Tomorrow should be an experience. |
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Thanks, Greg ... you rock.
Metro Day Pass? I bought one at the H&H Station for the detour festival, only to find out later it was only good for a few hours. There's supposed to be some march involved in the rally tomorrow. Feh. Not only do I not feel like more trudging ... but a march through ghostdowntown will be more useless even than the empty route thru Silverlake last weekend. If I'm gonna march, I don't need it to be for the masturbatory entertainment of the gay crowd itself. We need to be somewhere visible. I'm borrowing back my word from €uro. Bah. |
So nothing seems to be running on the news about either the press conference or the protest. A google search for it turns up a page with 8 links for people calling to get No protestors out (including this thread) and 2 links to get Yes people out. Yay!
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And no, I'm not up to switching at this point. I still want to be part of the Big Thing ... but I don't see the point in marching around downtown. For Who??
The L.A.P.D. have been very nice, but they want to keep us out of sight and away from snarling up any more traffic. I'm all for the latter, but nix on the former. |
Oh, and I read an interesting thing in the Letters column of the L.A. Weekly. Seems if there's enough protesters at the Mormon Temple, they lock it down. No one in, no one out.
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Who's going to the Irvine rally? If 100 people showed up to an impromptu weekday rally, the one this weekend should be pretty large. A meeting place and time might be a good idea.
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We might switch to Irvine, depending on how much of my work I can get done today. And, looking at how much I have done, there's a 75% chance of switching, since I would need tomorrow afternoon to finish up.
I'll let you all know this evening. And, NA, if that's the case, then I'll just bring the butter to the party - we'll be on time. :) |
Ok, that was fast. Just talked to Ken, and we're switching teams. ;)
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Okay, we all have cell phones, so I don't think it should be too hard, but just in case it turns out to be nutty over there, I'll suggest a meeting place, since I know the area.
There are 3 main parking lots for the civic center, one just off Alton, 2 off of Harvard/Civic Center Plaza. They're big and it's a Saturday so there won't be many employees there, but I imagine they'll fill up quickly. There's street parking in surrounding neighborhoods. My proposed meetup point is across Civic Center Plaza from actual city hall. If you're coming off of Harvard and turn onto Civic Center Plaza, there is a parking lot on the right, past the bunny crossing sign (yes, bunny crossing sign, even though I've never seen a bunny there). Turn right (or walk right if you've parked elsewhere) and head straight towards the fields/stadium, there are some flags, a plaque, a large planter and a drinking fountain, easy to spot. I've traced a bit of the route and circled the spot on the map and the satelite view below. The "A" marks City Hall. |
Yeah. Well, I'm back to driving then. Or maybe into Hollywood for the subway. Dunno.
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I'm switching to the Irvine protest, kids. Just FYI.
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Um, Irvine's been called off you guys. For you anyway. It's against the rules (ok, the guidelines) for Lot Straights to Go to an Equal Marriage Rights Protest without a Lot Gay Mascot.
S'far as I know, all us Gayz are going to L.A. Better line up one of the uncommited (JWBear and SCC come to mind) or else you'll all have to come up to L.A. after all. :p |
Some guys from my Madonna board will be there & might meet up w/ me.
Celebrity gossip Perez Hilton will be there too. On Facebook, over 4,900 people have confirmed they will be there for the protest. Tomorrow's the big gay..er,um day! :D |
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10:15 sounds good to me. 'goon, I got your voicemail. I don't have much advice beyond what I posted above. If those 3 lots are full I think there's one more a little further up Harvard. Other than that, look in the residential areas across Harvard, there should be street parking.
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Ok, planning to go to LA tomorrow for this. It'll be my first protest ever! It'll be exciting. Don't have a good handle on who's going to LA other than ISM and CoasterMatt, but that's ok.
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If i'm not mistaken LPSE and Tom are still going, for the straights, and representing de gays will be me, isaac and Gemini Cricket. isaac's got some pals he might want to meet up with, so have i (a few folks that were at the halloween party ... you know them, isaac ... alyse, remi and bryan).
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DAMN!! Of all the days for this freakin' fire! :mad:
I can't breathe, and the animals are really nervous. We're ok firewise, but the smoke is really bad - it looks scary outside. I even made my sign and everything, but as of right now, I'm not gonna be able to go. |
Wow, i didn't know it was that close. Holy Frell.
Goodest of Luck. OMG * * * * * * * * * sigh, i'm still going. my new plan is .... blue line from long beach. isaac, wanna meet me at the willow station? i'll call you. |
All this stupid fire coverage isn't gonna help the protest, either :(
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Oh, my god, "some work in fashion, some work in retail, and some are writers?" AND SOME OF THEM ARE LAWYERS AND DOCTORS AND POLITICIANS AND TEACHERS AND **** YOU, ****TARDS. "No on gay"??? We're acting like Nazis? NOT YET, ****ers, but now I kind of want to.
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From "No on Gay" to "We are not preaching hate towards the gay community" in 5 deceitful steps!
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The LA rally today was phenomenal. HUGE turnout. I have yet to hear a final count on the numbers. But as I was leaving (about 1pm or so) people were still arriving to march.
I had a perfect spot. I was at the very front of the crowd that gathered around the stage. I was against the railing even. Dead center. The Mayor showed up for a short bit. I'm glad he showed up even with the fires going on. He left the rally to hop on a helicopter to go back to one of the fire areas. I have a ton of pictures. Not sure how any of them turned out yet. I did manage to run into alphabg, iSm and Isaac. And, of course, being a dinglecheese, I left my phone in the car at the Universal metro station parking lot. So when I got to City Hall... I realized I had no phone. So I just went to the front of the crowd and cheered the speakers on. Lots of cameras all over the place. I left early because I did not have water, didn't eat breakfast and was tired. I'm so glad I went! :) |
Awesome, if poorly prepared for, dinglecheese!
We're back from Irvine. The crowd was big, at least 300. It was bloody hot though and I think that sapped some of the energy. We got loud at points, especially when there'd be a stack of cars honking, but it was definitely not a chanting crowd. No news media it seemed. Great moment just before we left where most of the protesters gathered around a couple of the organizers on a small grassy area where they shouted some short but heratfelt sentiments. One recently came out to his parents and he had all of the married same sex couples join him up front. It was very good. Probably not the spectacle that was the L.A. event, but it was a good showing, and it was good to hear people like the UCI chemistry professor talking seriously about getting organized. Saying that no matter what happens with Prop 8, this is far from over and whatever the next battle is will need organization, not just in L.A. and S.F. but statewide. It's the kind of thing that needed to be done 2 months ago, but it's not too late to get it going now. Photos to come. |
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I was down at the National Mall today. There were a slew of Prop-8 Protesters there.
In a way it was rather sad. In the good old days the White House was the center of most protest, now however today I saw something different. The protesters did not know where to go. There were groups scatted around the mall, some just marching along it, some heading here or there, no clear goal in mind. Eventually most of the groups I saw seemed to gravitate towards the 555' phallic symbol that graces the center of the mall. Just in time for a particularly strong line of thunderstorms to scatter them in all directions. Not a good protest day. |
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The Las Vegas 10:30am protest had a small crowd of over 100. We got to march from city hall to Fremont Street where we were allowed to march and make noise as long as we didn't hold our signs high in the air.
The 2pm rally and protest at the GLBT Center was awesome. A good 1500 people. Awesome speakers. Wanda Sykes was in the crowd just minding her own business when someone spotted her and asked her to speak. She basically got on stage and came out while explaining her feelings on Prop 8. She also explained she married her wife a few months ago. That was really cool of her to out herself for the cause. I was just blown away by some of the speakers... On the way from where the rally was to where we would be protesting, I bumping into none other than Dusty Sage, his man, and two other MiceChatters. Totally unexpected, but I was glad to see them there! I ended up staying at the protest until the very end which was around 5:30 or so. I then went and hung out at Starbucks with some of the cool people I met at the protest, who also happened to be some of the planners. Today felt great. I'm exhausted, but it was more than worth it. I'm excited about the upcoming Vegas rallies and protests which are in the works! |
Here's a set of 34 photos from among those I took today. Way too bloody hot and the unexpected march added a few miles to the walking today.
We showed up at about 10:30 and there was a good crowd. I followed Lani about taking pictures while she handed out the 300 or so buttons she'd made, fending off money as she went. It felt like we were in a large group but later when I walked around to the other side I found we had been in a small side bundle. Apparently the police estimate was 20,000 people. The vast majority could neither see nor hear the speakers so in the area away from the stage it kind of had the atmosphere of a street fair. Around 12:15 we were way dehydrated (we forgot to bring water and there was no shade) so we headed off to buy water. As we left the area we were talking about whether we should seek out the march we'd been hearing about and then a couple blocks away I looked back and found we were at that moment actually leading the march. It just coincidentally started right behind us on the route we were walking anyway. Ended up marching all the way to the Castro (apparently the march was supposed to go the other way towards the ferry terminal so there ended up being two different marches when the police forced (about a block behind us by then) a break in the mark and then turned that part around). Anyway, my first time doing anything like that. Lani's sign was awesome, in terms of quality of appearance I would say it was the best completely handwritten sign I saw. Her buttons were very popular. |
Thanks for sharing Alex, we saw a blurb on the news and I was looking for you or Lani but didn't see either of you. I knew it was a long shot but Kudos for stepping out side your comfort zone.
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OMG, thanks for all the pics everyone.
I had a freaking awesome time at the BIG, and I mean BIG rally and March in Downtown L.A. Zlicstimate of the crowd at upwards of 20,000 people!!! And Oh Lordy What a Fantastic Display of SIGNAGE. Isaac will post some pics soon I hope, but gays sure are a clever lot, and the growing sign fetich of the last 10 days culminated in Los Angeles today. Ok, too tired to type. More later. Bye. |
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One news article put Irvine's crowd at 600, and LA at 14,000. Not the 40,000 they had expected, but still sizable.
My pictures from the protest: http://www.flickr.com/photos/6244334...7609196120022/ I think one of my favorite signs: "If you didn't want your kids to learn about gays, you should have left us alone". |
I was too far away, but it seemed to be a great crowd on Saturday at City Hall/Civic Center. Since we had to be at the library, we melted away through that crowd.
I (and my NJ houseguest) later joined a march through North Beach, quite by accident, with a police escort. It was fun, though freakin hot for SF this time of the year. The crowds lunching and walking along Columbus were waving and whistling and showing great signs of support. It was a great experience and I actually did run into a few people I know. |
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One of the frustrating things about going to these rallies is that the speakers did a lot of acknowledging of everyone's anger but didn't really talk about where we go from here. They talk about the lawsuits and 2010 but that's about all. I need a game plan that we can all rally around. Pink Holidays and A Day Without Gays aren't enough. (And I don't think they will make that big of a difference.) |
The sad truth is there is NOTHING to do.
In fact, the protests, demonstrations and rallies ARE what have to continue for the next 6 months in an effort to show public support for a California Supreme Court decision repealing the Prop 8 vote as an illegal revision. There are only two tracks of action ... and they are indeed the current lawsuits before the California Supreme Court, and another ballot measure for 2010. There is no direct action that can be taken to speed or influence these two processes. But since the Mormon Culthood will mount a recall effort of any justices who vote to repeal Prop 8, it is vital that public support remain highly visible until they make their decision. The 100,000+ people who participated nationwide on Saturday is a big help, but it will be the support in California that really matters to our Supreme Court judges. I'm pinning a lot of my hopes on those court cases, but wiser folks than me insist chances are 50/50 at best. The other route, the much more involved, much more expensive route is to prepare and wage another ballot measure battle, for November 2010 - two years from now. It's not like we'd have to wait two years to get started. Rather we should concentrate on public demonstrations for 6 months ... relatively inexpensive and easy ... until the Supreme Court ruling. If that doesn't go our way, it will indeed take 18 months of constant work and millions upon millions of dollars to bring this before the voters again with any chance of winning. So for us right now, I think the fun thing to do would be to come up with some more creative-type demonstrations that might make the news ... and continue to make the news and involve people for the next 6 months. And during that time, getting and keeping as many people involved will be paramount ... because if the court ruling goes against us, we will want to try a volunteer-basis signature drive to get the Prop 8 repeal measure on the ballot. We would need one million signatures ... and identifying and marshalling those one million people before the start of the 150-day signature gathering period will not be easy. It's never been done on a volunteer basis in modern California politics. A professional signature gathering effort costs about $3 million in this State. That would be $3 million less to spend on a campaign that might cost upwards of $30 million. So I'm not sure what kind of "game plan" Gemini Cricket has in mind. But no one's gonna come down from on high and tell us what to do. We have just as much power to come up with a good idea or plan as anyone else, spread it on the internet, and see if it catches on or not. I agree Pink Holidays and Days Without Gays may not be enough. But we need six months worth of newsworthy stuff, so every little bit helps. |
Don't know nearly enough of the law here.
The argument challenging Proposition 8 is that it was is actually a significant revision of the constitution and not merely an amendment, right? If this argument loses, Prop 8 becomes part of the constitution. Wouldn't a new ballot proposition reversing prop 8 then much more clearly fall into trouble for being a significant revision (explicitly reversing what it says seems significant to me) to the constitution? Therefore, just to be safe, shouldn't there be an effort to get the state legislature to do their necessary part before getting an anti-Prop 8 prop on the ballot in 2010? |
Nope, from what I understand, if Prop 8 can amend the constitution by revising the constitution, then Anti Prop 8 can amend the constitution by revising the constitution right back.
In other words, if the judges ok Prop 8 (which says marriage is between a man and a woman) as a valid ballot measure, then another measure which says marriage is between a man and a goat is just as valid. (That's not to say getting the legislature involved for a revision effort would not be wise, and would not be undertaken ... but a revision is pretty much not gonna happen either way. I think it requires a super-majority of both the legislature and the voters, so it's pretty much out of the question ... if my understanding is correct.) |
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Sending letters to those politicians is a nice idea, but there will be no recall effort against them, and their amicus brief is already filed with the court. So there's no direct advantage to maintaining their support, but it certainly couldn't hurt ... and if you're ok with an email, that link Goonie provided makes it too easy not to do.
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There's also this oft-cited excerpt from Westbrook v. Mihaly 2 Cal. 3d 756.
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Maybe what's happened in Cali may be for the greater good overall. It's got people all across this country talking, and moved more than just the Mormons and Fundies to action. When people see this for what it is- a Constitutionally guaranteed right that is being denied a specific class for religious reasons- well, I think it might make others who might not have had any real opinion on the matter sit up and take action. One step back sometimes leads to a great leap forward.
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The issue in the case seems to have been two bond measures passed in San Francisco in 1969. They passed with a simple majority but not the super-majority required by the California constitution (back in 1970, don't know about now). Supporters filed in attempt to have the courts require certification of the bonds as having passed on the grounds that California's 2/3rds majority requirement for bond measures was a violation of the Equal Protection clause of the 14th amendment. (On the grounds that in such a requirement a No vote has twice the weight of a Yes vote.) I just skimmed it, but I believe the court ruled that there was not a sufficient governmental interest in the two-thirds requirement and struck it down (but I may be misunderstanding my brief skim since I know many places do still have such requirements). The placement of the quote is in rejecting the idea that the 2/3 requirement is allowable simply because it was correctly incorporated into the state constitution. (Essentially they are saying "no, if this is unconstitutional otherwise, it is not made constitutional simply for having been legally added.") However, that decision doesn't seem to be the actual source for the quote. And what it weird is that it apparently could be cited from a much more prominent source. According to the footnotes in Westbrook v. Mihaly they are quoting Lucas v. 44th General Assembly of Colorado (1964) when they rules that the state's new state legislature redistricting plan was unconstitutional and needed to be redone. It is this opinion, written by Chief Justice Earl Warren that the quoted bit appears. Admittedly they apparently finally found a catchy way of saying it. In footnotes associated with this quote they reference themselves (the Supreme Court previously saying: One's right to life, liberty, and property . . . and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections. - West Virginia State Bd. of Educ. v. Barnette (1943)and No plebiscite can legalize an unjust discrimination. - Hall v. St. Helena Parish School Bd. (1962)Anyway, that is all way more than I intended to seek out. It was an interesting 40 minute journey of reading. Surprisingly that Mihaly decision makes for an interesting read, at least as a skim. |
Only people who live outside of this state think that "Cali" sounds cool. :p
I'd be very optimistic about an eventual federal constitutional amendment awarding equal rights to gays on all fronts except for the fact that this administration and congress has a crapload on their plate already. It takes a lot of oomph to get an amendment passed. I do think it's possible and actually rather likely if you look long term. |
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Which 38 states do you see passing a gay right amendment to the constitution? I'd be amazed if you could get 15, let alone 38 (and an amendment would never get out of congress without a kill switch so you couldn't let it sit for 190 years like we did the 27th Amendment).
Or, to even get to that point, which 66 senators and 288 congressman? Even if the Democrats votes unanimously in favor of such an amendment (and they wouldn't) they're nowhere close the the threshhold. No, the only chance any time soon for full secured equality for gays is if the US Supreme Court decides that it is already there in the constitution. Just as there is no way we'd pass such an amendment I think it is probably (though we just got bit in the ass on that assumption, didn't we) true that an amendment to reverse the USSC probably wouldn't get anywhere either. |
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And I have to agree with Alex the only way to get this federalized is to take it to the U.S. Supreme Court.
And if the "Cali" Supreme Court goes against us, it seems as if we'd have a U.S. Supreme Court case right away. Would it be wise to take it there at this time? Would they even take the case? Does the current make-up of the Court bode well, or would waiting for some potentially more liberal future Court be wiser? Interesting questions. I wish my civil rights didn't depend on them. |
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I like "Cali" as much as I like "Frisco". Bleh!
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Love both of those comics.
I took inspiration from Second Class Citizen's wonderful avatar and finally made a new sign for my car, as my No on 8 sign is a bit out of date. I think the people around here might not actually understand such a smart design as SCCs so I spelled it out on mine. This large size should print perfectly on a letter size sheet of paper if anyone cares to download and print. I used photo paper and it looks fantastic. |
http://www.venturacountystar.com/news/2008/nov/16/hundreds-walk-against-prop-8-opponents-hold-in/
Ventura: 600 http://www.ocregister.com/articles/c...1-state-voters OC Register says 1000 at the Civic Center. LA Times was bogging down my 'puter so I couldn't get a story from them. I suspect it's difficult to estimate crowd sizes. |
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Uhm, I said 'Cali' just because I was too lazy to spell out the entire word. I'm not all that concerned with being verbally cool, but if it makes everyone feel better I'll just go with CA. Sounds a bit like poo, but really cool poo, right?;)
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Pronunciations vary, Lash. The real question is 'Do the really cool people pronounce it that way?' I lean toward the Chef Emiril pronunciation, but I think that's just a LaGasse thing.
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I am SO looking forward to staying with you.
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OK - WTF is VAM?
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I pronounce it to rhyme with "bam" or "jam".
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For me it is still an initialism. And I'd be perfectly fine if it went away, though I am amused the few times it has been used in response to what someone else has said.
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It's taken on a life of it's own, Alex. Before long it will be in the dictionary, along with 'the word formerly known as iSm's favorite expression of disdain'.
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God forbid iSm ever gets it all bass-ackward and says "hem"...
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Please stop posting those, Kevy. My blood pressure can't handle it.
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iSm: outreach is what's needed right now. If those comics make even a few people change their minds, that's a few more people you need to support your rights. You should be encouraged that someone is out there trying to change the minds most needing changing.
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I like them, too. I wonder if Bell will dedicate the whole week to the subject.
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Morri hit it on the head- people need to be confronted with their prejudices before any changes in attitudes will be made. No one is comfortable admitting that they have a problem with bias or racism, least of all people who have suffered from such things themselves. Holding a mirror up is a good thing- maybe if they don't like what they see in it they will change.
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I read an interesting comment at the bottom of one of the hundreds of online articles I read about Prop 8. It went something like this: A woman's parents were giving her a hard time about Prop 8 and why it was so important for two female friends of theirs to call their union a marriage. The woman pointed out to them that after 15 years of commitment they were more than just girlfriends. So the woman asked her parents what if she decided not to acknowledge their (her parents') marriage any more. She started referring to her father as her mom's boyfriend and her mom as her dad's friend. They were offended at that saying that after 40 some odd years they deserved to be called husband and wife. She then pointed out that it was the same for their lesbian friends. No different. She said that this discussion with her parents started them thinking differently about the subject. I thought that was great.
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I disagree. I see them as outreach. Mr. Bell is African American and is making a commentary about the Yes votes on 8. I think it's great.
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Nope, though I love the sentiment. (btw, that's a Dan Savage quote, which Andrew Sullivan just happened to quote in his blog.)
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HeeHee, now that one didn't make my blood boil for some reason.
But, sigh, the series is really not helping too much with me getting over my anger at black people who are so frelling ignorant and hating and hypocritical. It's true there wasn't enough effort to reach out to those folks and convince those on the margins that might be convinced to overcome their homophobia or that their religious beliefs were not in conflict or that their gender identity norms were due for a change .... but it's also true that shouldn't have been necessary. Le sigh. |
http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/courts/s...file/prop8.htm
There is a list of all the stuff that was submitted for/against hearing Prop 8 in the Supreme Court :) Really good reading! |
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Oh, please, most any picture of him. Sheesh. ok, maybe not the mohawk avatar shot ... tho i'm certain that appeals to a certain demographic.
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LOL Visual Mojo to 'Goon, iSm, and NotAfraid since I must spread some around before giving it to any of you three!
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Yeah, but too bad I hate Subway and like El Pollo Loco.
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Hmm, I'm not sure I'm happy about that. I can't confirm if it's true or not, but someone else who had contributed and was being boycotted said that they were required to disclose their employer when they contributed. If that is indeed the case, then I don't see how Subway could have the policy since it would exclude a franchisee from making any political donation as they would be required to use the Subway name.
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It sounded like they donated in the name of Subway, not that they donated and worked/owned a Subway (via employment disclosure).
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Plus they didn't work for Subway, they worked for the the franchisee. When I managed an ARCO gas station (ancient history) I worked for the franchisee, Prestige Stations, not ARCO.
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This story makes me happy. For the past two weeks, I've been getting all of my lunches almost exclusively at Subway. I was a Pollo Loco guy until the list came out, and the only other cheap food place in the strip mall across from my office is McDonalds...
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Hai guyz;
One true regret I had during the Obama campaign was not organizing button-making parties and posting button template PDFs online. Not this time. I have a bunch of button designs available in PDF format that I've uploaded to JoinTheImpact.com. If you or anyone you know has a button press (standard 2.25" size as well as the popular 1.25" lapel size), please feel free to use them. |
I didn't see any reason to stop my gay rights activism just because I'm in Hawai'i.
My letter in today's Star Bulletin. (Scroll to the bottom.) Since Obama is in my town, I figure I'd write something he might see. :) |
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Nice letter, GC.
Ironic that your letter shares the page with someone who wants to criminalize the "movement of game cocks." If she's not game, that's fine, but . . . |
Hee hee... I love THE ONION:
Typo In Proposition 8 Defines Marriage As Between 'One Man And One Wolfman' Related Articles * Homoerotic Overtones Enliven NRA Meeting June 24, 1998 * Community Bands Together To Get Through Lesbian-Gym-Teacher Crisis April 7, 1999 SACRAMENTO, CA—Activists on both sides of the gay marriage debate were shocked this November, when a typographical error in California's Proposition 8 changed the state constitution to restrict marriage to a union between "one man and one wolfman," instantly nullifying every marriage except those comprised of an adult male and his lycanthrope partner. "The people of California made their voices heard today, and reaffirmed our age-old belief that the only union sanctioned in God's eyes is the union between a man and another man possessed by an ungodly lupine curse," state Sen. Tim McClintock said at a hastily organized rally celebrating passage of the new law. But opponents, including Bakersfield resident Patricia Millard—who is now legally banned from marrying her boyfriend, a human, non-wolfman male—claim it infringes on their civil liberties. "I love James just as much as a wolfman loves his husband," Millard said. "We deserve the same rights as any horrifying mythical abomination." On the heels of the historic typo, voters in Utah passed a similar referendum a week later, defining marriage as between one man and 23 wolfmen. |
There are 2 protest type things going on this weekend.
DOMA protest in Fullerton on Saturday. Sunday of Solidarity at Saddleback Church. I think I'm doing something with the one on Saturday, I am not going to the one on Sunday. It involves going to a service and to talking to members before/after and that's just a bit to intrusive for my comfort level. |
There are also some protests happening in downtown Oakland.
They aren't specifically prop 8 related but if you want some TV time for your sign as well as an opportunity to burn a car while interacting with a demographic that strongly supported Prop 8, it may be a good opportunity |
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