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YES We did!
Welcome President Obama!
You have some tough times ahead, but we have faith you can do so much more for this country. We know it will be hard, and painful, but we know your path is the one right for us and we'll try to be patient as change takes time. (general we) |
*So excited.*
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Great speech. :)
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I'm very happy I got to see this happen.
What I loved: - the golf claps that greeted Rick Warren - Aretha's awesome singing - Obama's nod to the non-believers (Yay!) - Obama's nod to science (double Yay!) - Watching Dubya's squirmy demeanor during the speech. - Sasha and Malia looking SO adorable! - The amazing spectacle of so many people SO collectively excited. So, who knows what comes next - maybe a new world, maybe the same old crap, but this is a moment to relish and remember. |
At first I thought Obama biffed the oath, but apparently it was Roberts who mixed things up.
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Other observations: Obama's speech was good until the end when it went into wind-up, big finish platitude mode. Warren's content was inoffensive and seemed to fit Obama's basic message about cooperation and humility. Glad to hear Justice Stevens sounding healthy. Cheney looked like Dr. Strangelove. The poem: skillet, skillet, skillet. |
It was totally Roberts. You'd think he might have practiced just a little bit.
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Warren's prayer stunk. It was too slow, huge gaps between words... Even my religious parents thought it sucked. But then again, they probably thought that because he wasn't Catholic.
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Ladies and gentlemen... I'm please to announce that the light at the end of the tunnel has been switched back on.
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It's nice to finally be able to call him 'President Obama', as opposed to President-Elect. It's a great day.:)
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This whole thing is still surreal to me. President Obama.
Wow! :) |
I almost got into a car accident because I was busy flipping off Rick Warren with both hands.
But that wasn't because of anything particular in the prayer, I would have flipped off anybody giving a prayer at a government event. I'm just a hater. |
Speaking of prayers...."when white will do what is right"....??????? I actually had to find it online to determine if that's what the guy really said because I was sure I didn't hear it correctly. Rev. Joseph Lowery? No idea who that guy is.
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In the context of much of what was touched on during the inauguration (progress made but the continuing struggle for civil rights) the comment didn't seem offensive. At least not to me. I also liked the way his sing-song-y patter left everyone grinning.
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I am *so* glad I TiVo'd the inauguration, because I totally didn't get up on time. Watching the whole thing now.
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I'm a "not disabled non-believer".
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The whole theme of that rhyming scheme was that everyone else is beaten down but the white man needs to do what is right. I don't care about references to color....it was how it was themed.
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I didn't hear what Lowery said (I was out of the car as soon as Obama said "god" since I was already late for a meeting.
Where did you find a transcript (I'm not finding one) to confirm the line? |
But just to be consistent, I just did an image search of Lowery and then flipped it off too.
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Yes! Obama!
I made it to the mall. I was standing right in front of the Washington monument I have lots of photos I will post when I make it home. Right now it's lunch time. Oh, and I have several dozen buttons to send to everyone. |
You have nabbed onto an easily available interpretation (the white man sucks), but I really think Lowery was trying to emphasize unity, and may simply have been too clever by half. In any case, it is an incredibly insignificant part of the whole event, which certainly hit on the theme of unity and non-divisiveness again and again. Will you allow that this is even a teensy bit inspiring, scaeagles?
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That older Obama daughter is going to be a raging beauty, you can tell already.
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Teensy. I'm not inspired, really. I do find it difficult - probably a short coming on my part - to find someone I didn't vote for to be inspiring. I didn't find Bush inspiring either, and am not sad to see him go, but I do not share the anticipation nor the optimism of a majority of the country. |
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Well, I'm disappointed. He's been on the job for over two hours now, and the economy is still in the toilet.
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My boss just received confirmation of my 2008 bonus (though he isn't allowed to give me the number yet). So Obama is the best president ever.
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Has Gitmo been shut down?
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Yes, and the inmates have all been given planes so that they can fly to Washington, D.C., for their hearings.
It is a decision that may come to be regretted. But it is also a promise kept. |
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Apparently Scaeagles agrees that the Asians in the country need to chill.
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I have high hopes, yet I have serious doubts.
Not in the man, but in the power of what still sits in opposition to him and the mountainous size of what it is he now has to change to 'set things right'. in my heart of hearts, I wish him the very best of luck, for I fear he's going to need it. |
He is going to need it, that's right.
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From what I understand, the jackals are already lining up with saliva dripping into their grubby paws for their share of the trillion dollar spoils soon to come.
I have confidence in Obama ... but none in Congress. The money is going to be frittered away on crap unless Obama really does have a cape and some spandex under that overcoat. |
then lets all hope and pray, that the throngs of supporters that appeared today in washington and around the nation help him watch congress like 10 million hawks and swarm them like angry red ants when they try to pull their 'business as usual' BS.
youre right, one man alone cant do it. one man with millions upon millions of ACTUAL supporters, just might be able to |
Dearest All,
Congratulations upon the appointment of your new President. Although opinions may differ on the individual, that's not what it's really about. It's about the ability of your new government to make your lives better, and your willingness to bring about positive change. If it works, you will benefit, as will those touched by the USA. Love and Hugs, The Stoat XXX. PS// Make it happen soon, 'cos I'll be there shortly. |
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Thank you, Lashstoat. A very good reminder that who we elect affects more than just ourselves as a nation. Obama was right- we really need to grow up and start acting like adults in this country. We have a responsibility to ourselves, our children, and the other inhabitants of this planet.
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Hearing our president talk like an adult made me cry.
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Hmm. Let's consider the alternatives.
"when white will say 'let's grab a bite?'" "when white won't be fooled by pyrite?" "when white will mend a kite?" "when white will refract into a thousand points of colored light?" Ah hah! "when white will shine bright!" Doesn't seem apt. If a white person is going to embrace the moment on a level beyond, "Excellent, we have elected a competent man who happens to be black-ish," I think we have to be prepared to eat a little for the sake of history. |
"when white will say Dy-Na-Mite!"
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I love old hippie-speak, but I'm old enough to remember it the first time around.
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Does anyone else think Cheney wasn't really confined to a wheelchair due to an injured back? Bill and I thought he looked like he'd had a stroke.
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He always looks like that.
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And speaking of Guantanamo bay....
Does anyone know if Obama is shutting down: Guantanamo bay naval station or Just the prison at Guantanamo bay naval station? |
If he shuts anything down it will just be the prison. There's no way we're letting the forced lease of Guantanamo Bay lapse any time soon.
If it will be difficult for Obama to start normalizing relations with Cuba while Fidel/Raul/puppet are still in power it would be a complete ****storm if he gave up the base. The best $3,000 our government tries but fails to spend each year. |
As for Lowrey ... those who think all the blacks, reds and yellows of this country haven't been consistently oppressed and victimized by whites need to get that reality check Obama referenced in his speech, and stat. (Yeah, not by all whites, but all who oppressed and vicitmized them HAVE BEEN WHITE.)
Sheesh. What a load of perfect-example White-Privilege Blindhood crap from scaeagles and jazzman. Get a fracking clue! No one's accusing YOU personally. And yeah, a black man was inaugurated president on the National Mall yesterday, where Martin Luther King famously had a dream 30 years earlier. If you didn't expect other black men to take a dig at White Supremacy on that day, you yourself were dreaming. |
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I don't think he looked like he had a stroke. He just looked pissed off that he was stuck in the wheelchair, and pained to be alive. Like he always looks. |
As a smarter person than I quipped, "Cheney in a wheelchair would be a metaphor....if this were FICTION."
After we had enough crappy commentary we switched to CSPAN. Ahh. |
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Next time someone uses the term "that's so gay", I'm sure they don't mean it as demeaning to all gay people, so it must be OK. Or if someone says they want to "Jew someone down", that's OK, because they didn't mean all Jews are greedy. Or if I call a man a rag head, it's OK, because not all Middle Eastern people wear headdresses. Open your eyes, ISM, and you get a "fracking clue" that the only generalities that are acceptable are negative toward white people. They aren't the only ones used by any means, but they are the ones that are even remotely accepted. |
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Oh, and under the heading of "Oh No, She Didn't"... A group of coworkers and I were discussing the Inaugural. One woman piped up with "I didn't watch it, but is it true he used a Koran?" We all stared at her with astonishment. "Well, he's a Muslim, and I heard that's what he was going to use." she added. God God(s)! I have to work with this person! |
I found that part of Lowery's speech trite and inane, but not offensive.
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I stuck with NBC yesterday. I really like Brian Williams, his commentary was pretty funny at times too.
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Please show me where I said he's a loser or a jerk or shouldn't be allowed to make a speech, or isn't deserving to do so. Where did I say that, CP? You cut ME a fuc.king break. I criticized something he said. Grow the hell up and read what's written and get down from that high and mighty holier than thou crap. |
Generalities are sometimes perfectly fine.
When talking about race in the United States I don't think there is anything particularly wrong with the fact that improvement means things get easier for minorities and white people behave better than they have in the past. Does this mean that there are no bad people in the minorities and all white people are bad? No, of course not. But at least in this country when talking about an approach to racial unity and peace (which is a "general" and not so much a specific concept) it is a simple fact that "white" as a group moves in a fundamentally different direction than everybody else. |
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But you're comparing apples to oranges. Those generalities are not made as an insult to people who've done you harm, but merely as an insult. So ... I don't think it's ok for me to use generalities to insult a black man, but I find it perfectly understandable when a black man uses generalities to insult whites, of which group I happen to be a member. By the same token, I don't find it understandable if a black man insults gays or jews, of which groups I am also members ... by virtue of the fact that gays and jews haven't done systematic harm to blacks. Get the difference? Now go complain to your ancestors, because they saddled you with this lasting animus. Use a Ouija board if necessary. But stop whining about your poor aggreived insult when it's an absolute act of surreal amazement that a black man just now became president of the United States in 2009. |
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However, I know several African Americans who in dislike Jews because they believe that they have been held down financially by Jews.
Is it OK for Jews to talk poorly Germans? Is it OK for Jews to speak in derogatory fashion about Palestinians or other Middle Eastern people? Or vice versa on that last one? Because you don't have problems with "that's so gay", does that make the phrase OK when I beleive it was SzczerbiakManiac (sp?) that had a thread about working to eliminate that phrase? I think that such conversation only hardens lines and bad feelings between the peoples that hold such thoughts. As Jazzman put it, in an environment embracing unity, why say that? By the way, just so CP is clear, he can say whatever the hell he wants. I just don't think he should get a pass anymore than someone using racial generalities about any other race should. |
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Um, honey it was Lincon's Bible fer crissakes! JW, I feel for you, really I do! |
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Obama is not wearing a coat. Bush mandated coats be worn at all times in the oval office. |
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The press has to make a fuss about something, but really? Slow news day in DC? |
I'm sure it will become a part of the party culture war.
Reagan, Bush Sr., and Bush Jr., all required jackets at all times. Clinton and Obama don't (though is Obama allowing other people to be sans jacket?). |
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Republicans: Want to look important
Democrats: Want to do important things |
I hope sandals with socks are allowed.
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What's the Bermuda Shorts policy in the Oval Office?
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Perfectly fine, so long as they're under slacks.
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After eight years of Bush, is there any more damage that can be done? ;)
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thats like asking the universe...how could it be any worse? sure as shineola, it'll bend over backwards to show you. |
Leo - first of all, you said you had never heard of him. As if that is a valid point, somehow. I'm still rolling my eyes at that one.
Also - I'm pissed at everyone who takes offense at something like that, no matter which race is targeted. Hello, America? Get over yourself. Grow a thick skin. We're going to need it. Know what? He's got a reason to hate white people. I'm no history buff, but seeing the basics about his past means that he saw American whites during their ugliest moment in the 20th century - fighting against equality and freedom for blacks. I'm sure he had things thrown at him, got spit in the face and had death threats against him and his loved ones. If you translate his words to mean that racist whites need to be more accepting of minorities, you think he means YOU? How laughable! If this is the mildest thing he says in reference to the struggles that HE HIMSELF faced, never mind the struggles all minorities have and continue to face (however diminished, they are multiplied by the multitudes around us) then we are to consider ourselves lucky. Personally, I think he meant something different. I am a White person and I want to do What's Right. As in, truly getting on board for equality, for all, even if it's not my own self that is subjected, as in Gay Rights, as in anything else that comes our way. That's what he meant by doing What's Right. I'm happy to hear the wakeup call, and I hope others heard it as a wakeup call as well. In fact, I'll repeat it. Hey, Whites! If your rights are secure, fight for the rights of others! Do What's Right! |
I LOVE Obama jacket-less in the office. The changes he's making and the image he is putting forth are, in my opinion, wonderful. The Official White House Website changed yesterday as well - at approximately Noon Eastern.
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I was very inpressed with the order he gave for the departments to be more cooperative with Freedom Of Information requests.
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W00T ... Tweeting to Obama! I can hardly wait to begin!
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Thanks Lisa! I heard about that this morning but I hadn't remembered to check it out.
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Obama looks great in those pictures- he's only been in the office one day, and he's made it his. The cons are just pissed because he is everything their guy was not- intelligent, articulate, confident and kind. He's a loving husband, a great dad, a good human being and I'm beyond proud to have him as my President.
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Ok, I sent my first tweet to the President! In support of my friend Tanner's Postcards to the President campaign ( http://www.postcardstothepresident.com/ ), I made my first subject a request for the repeal of DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act) ... and offered my hearty congratulations and best wishes.
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So far, so good: Obama has ordered pay freezes for staff members, as well as limited the access and influence of lobbyists.
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The Obama girls had a sleep-over party with friends from school inaugural night. They watched movies in the White House theater, and had a surprise visit by the Jonas Brothers. I bet they’re having a blast!
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The news said the Jonas brothers were the surprise at the end of their scavenger hunt. I thought that was pretty cool!
In other news.... it said Obama retook the oath of office today at the White House, so it's all official now. |
What were the "controversial" orders he was going to sign during the first few days?
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Did you realize Beyonce's performance of "At Last" at the Neighborhood Ball was live? Watching MSNBC, where they came in halfway through and only stayed a minute, I didn't.
It was. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnOQfjWfxDQ |
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It's amazing that you say people need to have a thicker skin when I can remember how outraged you would get at anything negative I posted about Obama. In fact, all I did originally was say I found that line to be offensive. I made no statements about how this man should never have been allowed to speak or that I was going on a letter writing campaign or that this was simply a sign of what to expect from the Obama Presidency. I said I found it offensive. So whom would you say needs the thicker skin? Those that jump down my throat about making such a statement and those who have an aggressively adverse reaction to my one sentence, or the person who makes one comment about finding it offensive? If you didn't find it offensive or support it, good for you. I found it tasteless and offensive. It isn't going to have an adverse effect on my life.... I made a comment. |
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More pleasing than that is that apparently there wasn't a bible within a few minutes reach at the White House. I'm guessing that wasn't true two days ago.
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But I want change! Actually, the picture JWB posted shows Bush's furniture is still in there. |
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It's not Bush's furniture. Some of the furniture traditionally stays in the room from administration to administration. Most notably, the side chairs. They may be reupholstered from time to time, but they have been in the Oval Office since the 30's.
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I still don't don't see the insult. And I'm a whitey.
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 Bush's  The 2 wing chairs were famously reupholstered after the first fabric chosen by Laura Bush appeared pink in photos and on TV (Only 2 presidents haven't reupholstered them: Carter and...can't remember). The 2 couches were custom made for Bush. The rug was designed by Laura Bush. The drapes were chosen by Laura Bush. The Chair Obama is sitting in is the same chair Bush used and was originally designed for JFK. The paintings are the same however, I would assume, though can't tell from the Obama photo, that new paintings hang on either side of the windows behind the desk are different, since the two in Bush's picture were on lone to him from friends/belonged to him. The Lamps are the same...really, everything appears to be the same The only things that traditionally stay are the side chairs and the wing chairs in front of the fireplace (reupholstered); both of which date back to when the West Wing (and current Oval Office) was rebuilt in the early 1930's. eta: My memory failed me, there have almost always been wing chairs but the 2 in the picture date from the Reagan era. |
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Found some articles from shortly before the Inauguration saying that Obama generally likes the existing Oval Office and he isn't in any rush to have the room redecorated.
So I was wrong, the Oval Office wasn't included in the swap out on Inauguration Day. |
I'm not a fan of the "white will do" line. Wierd, awkward, and just kind of ... huh?
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He shouldn't spend money on the Office right now. I'm glad he isn't.
If the debate has shifted, perhaps we need a new thread about race in America? This thread is for stuff like this. Keep scrolling... |
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Just for the record, the line was "White will embrace what's right." (I'm sure that doesn't help much, but the outrage may as well be directed accurately.) I'm afraid I can't take this as much of a slam. At worst it seems like a gentle nudge, as in "things are getting better, let's keep it going." Equal rights were only granted to blacks within the lifetime of many of those who post here. Is it really so terrible to be reminded of that?
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I find it hard to get worked up over a series of meaningless rhymes. "Yellow will be mellow"? WTF does that even mean? "If it's yellow, let it mellow, if it's brown flush it down?"
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Of course, there are some who would contend that white has been embracing "right" for far too long.
I have a feeling that the Reverend has been using this particular doggerel for decades. ("when black won't have to get in back" - yeah, that has been a non-issue for a long time - so that tells me this is not a newly composed bit of verse.) |
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I still see no problem with saying that whites in general as a group average need to behave better on issues of race. This seems self evident and obvious. Even if scaeagles and Jazzman are shining paragons of racial integration.
Are things better than they were 30 years ago. Absolutely. Are things perfect now and everybody should just shut up about it already? Absolutely not. As for redecorating the Oval Office, there is already $100,000 in the White House budge for administration change redecorating (this is standard every four years). I'm sure it'll all get spent even if it isn't as obvious as a new carpet and swapping out desks. |
I want Obama to get a Herman Miller Aeron Chair.
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I just learned earlier this month that as of March 1, I will for the first time in a decade not have an Aeron at work. I may have to buy one for myself.
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I'll leave it to a person of color to respond to your unacknowledged White Privilege that is so engrained you deny its very existence. How completely arrogant, oh member of the ruling class by virture of your pigment at birth. When's the last time you were stopped and frisked by the police? Pfft, I'll stop there. This is absurd. |
I think great and significant changes are in store for our country.
Not so much from Obama's actions as president, but from his inspiration for so many. When people are inspired, we work harder, and thus can turn this country around. I have much faith in him as a president, but most of the kudos goes to his ability to speak and inspire, and that's exactly what we need. |
I think the growing sense of optimism surrounding the new Presidency has made me less tolerant of the nay-sayers. (Not that my tolerance for negativity was ever very great.) I just find that I don't want to read about being stuck in the mud. I just want to move forward to better place.
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So because most everyone likes him you don't want to hear what might be wrong? I get that you don't like negative, and I'm cool with that, but that seems like that would prevent him and his administration from being held accountable (if everyone who is optimistic adopted that philosophy).
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Sure there are some meaningless token gestures like freezing the pay of the administrations higher ups, but there is also some meat there. For example, changing the freedom of information acts to err on the side of making information public and not to look for reasons to legally withhold it as was the case in the Bush Administration. |
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My last shot in this absurdly minor scurfle - One reason I am so impressed with Obama is that he talks calmly, like a rational adult addressing other rational adults. The sixties-throwback rhyming benediction is a little silly and could have been more carefully considered, but a true insult? I'm not seeing it. But the discussion about it is threatening to turn into the kind of childish back and forth that prevailed during so much of the last eight years and reached epic-ludicrous levels during the recent campaign. I'd love to believe that we can do better. |
Arguing about the bendiction Dr. Suessical is indeed childish, but the issues it raised are not.
A White Man in America deluding himself there's no White Privilege in this country?! Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Will the same man claim there's no Male Privilege? I think these things are worth debating. I can only imagine how insulted people of color would be at a white man denying white privilege in America. It's only imagination, as I'm not a person of color. But it's that very imagination that let's me contemplate just one day as a black man in America and face the White Privilege by 9:00 a.m. that imaginary morning. |
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(I wasn't offended by any of the rhymes, by the way.) Anyway, back to the topic at hand - When I was working the MLK parade, it was so wonderful to see celebration amongst races. Never once was I looked at as if I didn't belong. I got plenty of smiles and told "Happy Kings' Day" many times. It certainly was a happy one. I wish I could have bottled up all the positive energy from that day, because it was astounding. Definitely reinforced the exhilarated feeling of a momentous occasion in history. :) |
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I don't expect our new President to be anywhere NEAR perfect, but I will continue to try and keep myself positive and share my positive energy with others rather than keep things in a stagnant place with my negativity. It's a personal choice and one I cannot make for others, but I also can choose NOT to participate in the negativity or tolerate the distraction of others who are negative. |
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First he couldn't get thru the basic ceremony that makes him a President without having to re-do it....now he can't even sign an executive order without saying the word "um" at least 50 times:rolleyes: The one thing I was looking forward to in an Obama Presidency was finally having a leader who could speak......jeeesh, so far Obama makes Bush look like Cicero. |
I think that's the negativity that NA was talking about.
Also, I don't see how you can really lay the oath mistake at his feet. He obviously knew it was wrong (heck, Obama could probably just about recite the entire Constitution from memory let alone just the oath) and then went with the flow. And Obama has always said "uh" a lot when speaking extemporaneously. It isn't the number of "uhs" that's a problem so much as the quality of what is in between them. But I can't watch that video so maybe he does come off as Caroline Kennedy in it. |
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Well, for me, I'm more shocked at my own interest in checking thewhitehouse.gov for updates and the pleasure that I'm finding tangible things there that are being done. This is also surprising in view of the fact that apparently the WH technology is pretty antiquated. If they need to spend 100k to redecorate the White House, let them upgrade the systems to the 21st century. Just don't buy equipment from Haliburton. ;)
I know he and the administration will fail in many things and do things I don't agree with, I accept that. So far, I'm giddy with delight that any effort is being made to move things forward and even keep some campaign promises. That he says "um" is okay with me. Let's face it, the guy can and does speak in full sentences and he is also capable of understanding them, too. That in and of itself is thrilling. |
I like Obama's 'no jacket' thing. It gives the appearance that he's getting down to business.
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I can top that. I had a crush on Joe Lockhart.
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If you lust for river trolls.
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I happened to notice in between the Ums that he was closing Gitmo. Perhaps if Bush had done something good while calling people by nicknames and struggling to complete sentences, maybe people would have forgiven his crappy speaking ability. UM, Hello? You do know that it was Roberts who flubbed the ceremony, not Obama, right? You're not deliberately posting misinformation, are you? Or was that supposed to be a (negative) joke? Seriously, you may want to lay off until you get some actual meat to tear into. It may be a while. :p |
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The first line was supposed to be: “I, Barack Hussein Obama, do solemnly swear…etc.” But Obama began repeating immediately after his name and was TALKING OVER the Chief Justice, who was saying “do solemnly swear.” Roberts did not pause. Any video will show that his lips were still moving. Obama screwed up first. Period. If you don’t believe me? Watch Joe Biden’s oath. The pause occurs AFTER “do solemnly swear.” Unless you think Liberals are so without error that the "correct way" to do it is whatever way they happen to be doing it at that very moment in time;) Roberts did omit the word “faithfully” and inserted it later in the sentence. Was he thrown off by Obama’s initial mistake? Maybe, maybe not. Regardless, the assertion that Obama messed up is independent of whether or not Roberts mistake was or was not caused by Obama's flub. After 8 years of shining a spotlight on every one of Bush’s verbal gaffes, the former Junior Senator has earned 4 or 8 years of the same. No one waited a few months, weeks or even days for Bush to get his feet wet....he was labeled a week orator right out of the gate and every single minor flub was on the news. What disturbs me most of all is that with Obama’s FIRST WORDS AS PRESIDENT, much of the media(and his apologists) have already begun making excuses for him. Incredible. |
Oh, Judas Priest- they were both nervous, and they both screwed up. Neither side needs to make a federal case out of it, which is probably why Obama retook the oath- because you KNOW the cons would have.
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Oh, absolutely Obama screwed up first. It was a comedy of errors that fed off each other in an embarrasing worldwide spectacle. But both men can speak the English language.
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Roberts was overheard at the inaugural luncheon telling Obama, "It was my fault."
Nonetheless, it seems clear that they were both nervous. Obama rushed things which made Roberts misspeak. Who cares. Honestly. Personally, I thought it brought a touch of realism to an occasion that is beyond heavily scripted. Obama's grin when they both paused was an excellent example of why people find him so charming. (It reminded me of when Princess Diana flubbed Prince Charles' name at their wedding-- an excellent example of why she was so loved...people were able to humanize her in a way they were never able to do with the other royals.) |
I think Obama tinkled a little bit in his pants (from excitement not because he likes it) and he knew Roberts had seen it. So he was nervous and stepped on Roberts lines which gave Roberts a small seizure and being familiar with those he rushed himself so as not to be on camera if a full blown collapse came on.
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Well, calling someone a name and putting a name to somene's actions is kinda, sorta the same thing...or not.
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I need to look up the things involved in white privilege. It's frequently quite invisible to those of us who have never been subject to discrimination, and until we studied it in class a few semesters ago, I had no idea.
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Liberals were constantly condemned for kicking Bush when he was re-elected. Makes me want to go dig out some of the old posts, but those old board archives simply don't exist, unfortunately. But, if they want to play their own game and put Obama under a microscope, I say let 'em. After all, the poor things are gonna have a looooooong four years, possibly eight. At least it gives them something to be happy about, since they won't be able to applaud futile war efforts and such. Although, I must admit that when I saw the news clip of Obama signing the Gitmo closure orders, I instantly wondered how many heads were exploding with, "See! See! He just signed our country over to them terrorists!" It's times like these that we need to reach out to our conservative brothers, and supply them with endless tinfoil to make hats. After all, it must be damn hard to see the world feeling a bit less hostile towards us. Because it makes us look weak, ya know. ;) |
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Here's the article I was looking for on white privilege.
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So much of that seems so... obsolete. Of course, being of Russian/Palestinian extraction (e.g. Caucasian) I don't have this experience personally--but I don't see it. I used to see it. I don't see it anymore.
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I think she raises that issue at some point, that white privilege is similar to male privilege, or heterosexual privilege.
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OMG! The Obama Inaugural quartet music was recorded!!!!!!!! Terrorists among us!
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Fantastic list! :snap: Even if you take issue with some of them, most are inarguable, even in a place like CA.
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My problem with that list is that it generally equates race with culture. A third-generation black person born and raised in upstate Minnesota isn't going to be feeling a loss at the lack of soul food in the local grocery stores.
Yes, majority is a form of advantage, but not all of those advantages are caused by race differences. When I moved to Hawaii it wasn't a racial disadvantage that the food selections and musical trends changed, merely a cultural one; an ethnic Hawaiian whose family lived in Vancouver, WA, for as long as mine has would have been at the same disadvantage and all the white locals born and raised in Hawaii get just as nostalgic for good poke when they move away as any of the racial Hawaiians. And a lot of the examples, in my opinion, trivialize the issue of race (or cultural advantage) to a degree that dilutes the whole idea. As a left handed person I form a distinct but small minority. It is a "race advantage" that I can't write with cheap pens and not smear the ink or that people assume I lack in manners because I am clumsy pour soup from the right-handed ladles used at Sweet Tomatoes. In an idea world I wouldn't face these minor obstacles but I don't for a moment believe that they of malign intent. All of which is not to say there is no longer significant structural issues of race discrimination or privilege in this country even if much reduced from the past. I just found the list mostly trite. |
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1) Pointing out facts regarding the way Obama has thus far conducted himself is hardly saying "he's going to fail"......unless, of course, you equate poor speaking to being a poor leader(surely you don't think a Bush supporter like me thinks poor speaking=poor leader?) 2) Hatred of Bush(and I do mean pure hate) by the media and Dem partisans started well before he even took the oath of office(something he got right the first time, btw;) ) By the time Bush was executiving a couple of days I'd say he'd taken more shots than Obama will see within the next several months.....in my totally biased opinion I must admit:) |
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... And as for hatred of Bush... I don't remember seeing much of that until after he took us to war. Concerns about the legitimacy of the election? Yes. Realization that we elected a President that is dumn as dirt? Yes. Hatred? Not so much.
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I agree....if you go back to my op on this subject I said I believed him to be a great speaker and was looking forward to that one aspect of an Obama Presidency; I was merely voicing my disappointment that perhaps he's not as great a speaker as I had originally thought---based on his flubbing the oath and his scores of "ums" during his first executive orders. Look, I do hope Obama succeeds....when he's acting in our Nations best interests. I also, will easily admit that I hope he fails.....when he's acting in his own or his parties best interests or just advancing an agenda that goes against my ideals. I will point out Obama gaffes, mistakes etc when they occur.....not because it happened to Bush, although I will continue to offer up that excuse because the irony does amuse me since I believe Bush went thru a lot of unfair criticisms(my opinion, lets not debate that right now), but mainly because it's just plain FUN. I remember the Clinton years very fondly:D |
I remember the Clinton years fondly mostly in that we enjoyed relative peace and prosperity.
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Actually I'm disappointed in both Obama and McCain, they are self-loathing traitors in that both of them are wrap-around lefties. Be proud, I say. Smear that ink. |
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By the way, left handers are obviously more successful. Though only 10% of the population, half of the presidents from Hoover onward (7 out of 14) have been left handed.
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Absolutely.
I'm proud of my heritage and culture. Apparently some would have us back in the woodshed being whipped until we give up our demonic ways. GD: And I don't understand why it has to be. We have a pair of kitchen shears that work wonderfully with either hand. Why must paper scissors be handed (I must admit I've never cared enough to learn the engineering). Ah the memories of childhood and trying to use right-handed scissors upside down with my thumb painfully squeezed into the too-narrow finger hole. |
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I agree....if you go back to my op on this subject I said I believed him to be a great speaker and was looking forward to that one aspect of an Obama Presidency; I was merely voicing my disappointment that perhaps he's not as great a speaker as I had originally thought---based on his flubbing the oath and his scores of "ums" during his first executive orders. Look, I do hope Obama succeeds....when he's acting in our Nations best interests. I also, will easily admit that I hope he fails.....when he's acting in his own or his parties best interests or just advancing an agenda that goes against my ideals. I will point out Obama gaffes, mistakes etc when they occur.....not because it happened to Bush, although I will continue to offer up that excuse because the irony does amuse me since I believe Bush went thru a lot of unfair criticisms(my opinion, lets not debate that right now), but mainly because it's just plain FUN, I remember the Clinton years very fondly:D |
I see it plenty. Try living in L.A. :)
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Nothing prepared me for for his reign of terror as President though. But pre-inaugural disdain for W. is not without reason. Similarly, it's legitimate if anyone wants to hate Obama for his record as Illinois senator. Go ahead. Knock yourself out. How many people did he kill? |
Freakin' lefties...
Instead of special quality left-handed scissors why don't you just learn to use quality right-handed scissors like the rest of us. Stop trying to ruin my quality scissors by demanding not only "left-handed scissors" but quality left-handed scissors. Why should lefties get special treatment? |
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And there were all you wrongies, gleefully picking and choosing from the forest of bountiful green rubber coated handles, planted in the foul soil of brown scissor holders. Reparations now! |
Gawd... Why don't you lefties learn to use your right hand like everyone else. You can choose to be normal, if you really want to. ;)
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The sad thing is, the never-ending battle with scissors in school has me so scarred, that even though I KNOW you're joking (duh), I can actually feel myself getting pissed off. Because, seriously, I'm not joking. You have NO IDEA how much worse life is when you do not have functional scissors at your disposal. I watch CP casually leave scissors lying around where they could get lost and my gut reaction is, "Are you freaking CRAZY?! Show some bloody respect for you scissors!"
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I use fabric scissors to cut paper all the time. So there. Ha ha, take that fabric scissors! I even will cut paper with the zig zag fabric scissors. Snip snip, baby!
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I used to. Then I had a kid. Now I'm lucky if I can find the Preschool safety scissors. (Actually, last month, I bought 2 pairs of really nice fabric scissors, snuck them in the house and hid them. Of course, that doesn't solve my paper cutting problem. :D ) |
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Hard to believe this much complaining comes from only 10% of the population.
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For the record, 40% of our household (Crystal, Josh) are lefties. So to be honest, I'm painfully aware how much
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Sac, I think it's because the wife doesn't like the job of rolling. In my house it's the opposite!
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I confess, I may or may not be thoroughly confused by now.
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(Actually, I know that I've been policed for pot suspicion several times, and as pathetic as this is, the truth is I can't smoke pot because I get an allergic reaction to it and can barely breath. I've played several gigs (with totally bombed bandmates who were smoking like hippies at a peace rally) where I could hardly see my horn because my eyes were swelling up, and if it hadn't been for large doses of Benedryl I wouldn't have finished. So no worries Sac, your hash is perfectly safe from me. :) ) |
Has anyone had the B&J's Obama Ice Cream? It's called Yes Pe-Can.
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I have never heard of the brand Gingher before both Alex and GD mentioned it. Somehow, this seems very wrong.
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J sez: I am glad I have learned to shoot right-handed, now I don't have to take left-handed scissors to a knife fight. I hate you wrongies!
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My mom was working the garment industry in Portland for most of my childhood and did a lot of work at home. We had up for four industrial sewing machines in the home at a time (my step-father was also an industrial sewing machine mechanic). So fabric scissors I knew.
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Then again, I do a lot of stuff "leftie" (eat, skateboard, snowboard). Maybe I'm just more sympathetic to the cause. |
I was the one who purchased all the new supplies for the new library a while back. I took a stance and purchased really nice scissors for the office. I thank myself every time I pick up a pair. :)
I've also been known to throw out bad pairs of scissors that have been lingering around the office probably since I was in grade school. Eff bad scissors! |
Wow - from the thrill of a new President to impassioned discussion of scissors in one mind-sizzling thread. Is there another community like LoT out there? :)
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Just say NO to bad scissors and other crappy office supplies.
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Oh, this may require some looking up on my part. It's probably just hand-ism. ETA: Found this little video/infomercial from anythingleft-handed.co.uk. And, one manufacturer says that after years of using right-handed scissors, it takes a lot of time for lefties to truly use a left-handed scissors because they have to unlearn a motion they took so much time to learn in the first place. OK, I'm done thinking about scissors. I think I am going back to bed. ETA 2: I should have added above that they say there's no such thing as a universal pair of scissors. |
If you compare left handed scissors to right, they're flipped. The top blade passes on the outside (when held in the hand it's designed for) of the bottom blade. If you use the wrong hand, the lateral force exerted by your fingers as you squeeze will cause the blades to want to separate.
On a really well put together pair, that really won't matter and you can use it with either hand since the joint is probably solid enough that the slight lateral force isn't enough to really separate the blades any. But that still leaves one other disadvantage. If you're using righty scissors with your left hand, the top blade will be on the inside, obscuring your line of sight, so you won't be able to see exactly what you're cutting. I think way too much about scissors apparentyl |
Yes, now I'm at my desk playing with my work scissors. I use them once a year or so as scissors -- the rest of the time they are essentially a box cutter for opening packages -- so their right-handedness is something I can cope with. I had just never tried but they do cut reasonably well when used upside-down and left handed.
When the eco-Nazis come knocking down my door over the many post-its I've just wasted I will be sending them to your house next (and while there they may collect your extra shoes). |
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I buy my own pens for work and I very occasionally will give them out to coworkers I really like. You know - the first one's free. heh heh. They come back for more... and hey... maybe I should be dealing pens to co-workers for some extra cash. :D I like the bold roller ball ones. The fine micro point ones are just meh. |
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As I suspected, the "no earmarks" stipulation on the new stimulus package is turning out to be a purely symbolic move. I've already read articles about how it's just shifted where the favors are done.
Perhaps it is just the beginning, and if Obama keeps it up, maybe there will be fewer and fewer dark corners for the greedy to scurry into when the light is show. But I'm not holding my breath. I'm still not convinced earmarking is as evil as everyone makes it out to be. Even vocal anti-earmarkers have said, "At least if there are earmarks in the stimulus package we know where the money's going." Whether it happens in the bill itself or down the line, money is going to be given to people asking for it. The issue isn't earmarks, the issue is questionable favor-doing. Getting rid of earmarks doesn't solve that problem, it just delays it until a later date. |
Matt Taibbi, in his book The Great Derangement has a chapter that pretty effectively put to lie any claims about doing away with earmarks or significantly regulating them.
He pretty effectively shows examples of unlabeled earmarks sitting in plain sight but completely indistinguishable and therefore pretty much impossible to do anything about. |
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Dolly Madison sounds pretty hot. And there's always Eleanor and the girls.
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I was thinking that the honor would go to Abigail Adams. And if not her then Frances Cleveland.
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Mary Todd was kinda hot in a sightly offbeat sorta way.
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Unfortunately paintings are hard to use for judgment (so Dolley and Abigail are difficult to know), but I'm serious about Frances Cleveland being a candidate:
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