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JWBear 03-01-2009 01:42 PM

Dydd Gŵyl Dewi Sant 2009!!!
 
Cymru am byth!!!


innerSpaceman 03-01-2009 02:03 PM

Um, ok.


Blue Line Long Beach to Union Station March 4. Calling All LB Gays.





Just 'cause I wanna.


EVE OF JUSTICE

BDBopper 03-01-2009 02:12 PM

It's also my parents 29th Wedding Anniversary! :)

CoasterMatt 03-01-2009 02:17 PM

I'd go to the Eve of Justice, but I'd need a ride home to the San Pornando valley afterwards...

JWBear 03-01-2009 02:40 PM














3894 03-01-2009 02:56 PM

Yet more Welsh beauty ...
 

Morrigoon 03-01-2009 04:09 PM

Part-Welsh:



Mmmm.... I'd gladly eat leeks in his honour :9

Cadaverous Pallor 03-01-2009 04:25 PM

Happy whatever that is

bewitched 03-01-2009 06:00 PM

I shall wear a necklace of leeks (or is it scallions?) in honor of today. :D

JWBear 03-01-2009 06:11 PM

Leeks

Daffodils are also commonly worn.

Chernabog 03-01-2009 09:48 PM

Wow Michael Ball is wearing a lot of foundation these days!

bewitched 03-01-2009 09:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 270957)
Leeks

Daffodils are also commonly worn.

I have some good friends from Wales. The son was clueless for most of his childhood as to why he had to wear a leek around his neck every St. David's day.

JWBear 03-01-2009 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 270981)
I have some good friends from Wales. The son was clueless for most of his childhood as to why he had to wear a leek around his neck every St. David's day.

For anyone who might also wonder why, here is a short essay on leeks in Welsh history.

JWBear 03-01-2009 11:03 PM

And here is the Wikipedia entry on St David.

Cadaverous Pallor 03-02-2009 08:58 AM

Ok, I'd like to understand this stuff better.

St. David was an aesthetic. How do you celebrate an aesthetic? I think the only way to do so is to be an aesthetic yourself. How do you have an "aesthetic festival"? Would he want you to drink to his health, or eat a big meal, or buy favors from vendors?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I just want to understand this.

Not Afraid 03-02-2009 09:59 AM


Where's Rover?

JWBear 03-02-2009 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 271010)
Ok, I'd like to understand this stuff better.

St. David was an aesthetic. How do you celebrate an aesthetic? I think the only way to do so is to be an aesthetic yourself. How do you have an "aesthetic festival"? Would he want you to drink to his health, or eat a big meal, or buy favors from vendors?

I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I just want to understand this.

The holiday is to celebrate Welsh culture and identity. It really has very little to do with St David; in fact, about as much as St Patrick's Day has to do with St Patrick.

JWBear 03-02-2009 10:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 271030)

Where's Rover?

Where is No 6?

Not Afraid 03-02-2009 10:18 AM

No, it is:
I am Number 2
Who is Number 1?
You are Number 6.
I am not a number. I am a free man!

JWBear 03-02-2009 11:08 AM

I was asking, not quoting.

Kevy Baby 03-02-2009 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Not Afraid (Post 271030)
Where's Rover?

Where's Waldo?

Capt Jack 03-02-2009 01:00 PM

wheres this going?

JWBear 03-02-2009 01:21 PM

I just had a thought...

Portmeirion = LoT Commune???

JWBear 03-02-2009 07:48 PM

Here's a good site on Portmeirion

Cadaverous Pallor 03-02-2009 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JWBear (Post 271036)
The holiday is to celebrate Welsh culture and identity. It really has very little to do with St David; in fact, about as much as St Patrick's Day has to do with St Patrick.

Cool, I'm sure it's a lot of fun. I just can't wrap my head around the use of the Saint's names to mark these festivals.

On Feb 13th, a Friday, we were closing up the library, and my (religious Christian) coworker made a point to wish everyone "a happy SAINT Valentines day", with plenty of pointed emphasis on the SAINT. Um, seriously, do you want us to celebrate the Saint? Are we supposed to go to church?

If I were a Saint with a holiday named after me that had anything to do with drinking, dancing, eating, shopping, having sex...I'd be pissed off.

Which leads to the question - is the church pissed off about these holidays? Do they try to stop them, or alter them? I'm really asking, I have no idea.

Not Afraid 03-02-2009 08:47 PM

Don't forget Jolly Old Saint Nick.

€uroMeinke 03-02-2009 08:58 PM

Do demons get any days? - or what is the antonym for Saint? Heretic?

bewitched 03-03-2009 10:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cadaverous Pallor (Post 271166)
Cool, I'm sure it's a lot of fun. I just can't wrap my head around the use of the Saint's names to mark these festivals...
Which leads to the question - is the church pissed off about these holidays? Do they try to stop them, or alter them? I'm really asking, I have no idea.

Saints' days were how the early church organized it's liturgical year (in the Middle Ages almost every day of the year celebrated a saint). Most very important Saints' "days" or festivals co-opted traditional pagan celebrations; for instance, St Valentine's day co-opted the Pagan holiday Lupercalia.

Historically, this is one of the reasons that Christianity was so successful (beyond the fact that Constantine converted and generally, where the Emperor goes, his subjects follow), they didn't force Christianity down Pagan's throats, instead they changed the names of their festivals and ceremonies but allowed the Pagans to otherwise continue their traditions (as long as they now called themselves-- publicly at least, Christians).

So, in answer to your question, the church may not like some aspects of the celebrations, but it was the church itself who embraced the celebrations and allowed the celebrations to go forward as they had centuries prior to Christianity.

JWBear 03-03-2009 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bewitched (Post 271224)
Saints' days were how the early church organized it's liturgical year (in the Middle Ages almost every day of the year celebrated a saint). Most very important Saints' "days" or festivals co-opted traditional pagan celebrations; for instance, St Valentine's day co-opted the Pagan holiday Lupercalia.

Historically, this is one of the reasons that Christianity was so successful (beyond the fact that Constantine converted and generally, where the Emperor goes, his subjects follow), they didn't force Christianity down Pagan's throats, instead they changed the names of their festivals and ceremonies but allowed the Pagans to otherwise continue their traditions (as long as they now called themselves-- publicly at least, Christians).

So, in answer to your question, the church may not like some aspects of the celebrations, but it was the church itself who embraced the celebrations and allowed the celebrations to go forward as they had centuries prior to Christianity.

Don't forget the strangest melding of Christian and Pagan... Easter! A holiday that mixes the rebirth of a new male god with the fertility rites of an old female one. They even kept the Pagan goddess's name as a name for the holiday!

Also, many ancient Pagan dieties and heros were made "saints" by the early Christians - St Bridget and St George for example.


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