[MouseWife]

I can totally understand feelings not wanting to be changed if you either can't or have taken care of the decision of not having kids.

Really, it is all in the parents. That whimpering kid, you don't know why he was. {Oh, I should add I haven't seen/read 'Children of Men', I've seen the preview but that's it}.

Some parents think their kids are the best shiet there is only to ruin them. Never discipline them, give them everything they want.

Other parents think their kids are such a pain, such a burden to their lives that they don't appreciate them.

It is hard to find that medium, where you appreciate them, love them, yet try and make them ready to hit the road someday.

And of course, some kids, who grow up to be people just like you and me, are just off. You can't know. And, I don't know 100% if this isn't also due to birthorder/parenting. Also, lack of parenting skills.

BUT It is all a personal decision. We almost had that taken from us and miraculously we have 3 kids. I know people who also decided not to have kids and really, it is your own business.

Just don't blame the kids. Behind every rotten kid is a parent. Listen to them for a minute and you'll see how they became that way.

All that aside, it is not an easy job. That is probably why some parents don't discipline their kids. It shuts them up but then it trains the kid to be like that always. I told my kids {and nephew whom I had for a year} 'The more you ask isn't going to change my answer. No is no.'

{and no, my kids aren't perfect but I would never trade them for anything or any other kid...}