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Alex · 05-18-2007, 08:09 PM

Pretty much what scaeagles said.

A pregnant woman comes here on vacation from Ireland with her husband and two other children. She goes into early labor while visiting the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and delivers a beautiful boy. Why is that kid an American?

A very late term Russian woman is flying from Novosibirsk to Toronto to visit her sister and goes into labor and delivers on the plane while it is in Alaskan airspace. Why is that kid an American citizen?

You say it is a puzzling concept but the majority of the world does not work under the same system we do. Jus soli (right of soil) is common in the Western Hemisphere but is a byproduct of an earlier era when populations were low. It is something we inherited from the United Kingdom and they it it 25 years ago (you must now be born to a legal resident). India, Ireland, and New Zealand are all countries that used to be on our system but have changed to san sanguinus (right of bloos) so that you are only automatically a citizen if born to at least one citizen parent.

This is by far the standard form of bestowing citizenship (in the United States we are both; if born abroad to American parents you are a citizen, if born domestically to foreign parents you are a citizen).

Here's a list (accumulated through Wikipedia) of various countries and how they handle citizenship by birth. We're pretty much in the oddball camp as far as the world is concerned.

Nations that require being born to a citizen to be a native-born citizen
Australia, Austria, Belarus, China, Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, India, Israel, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Malta, Morocco (only through the father), Nepal, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Turkey

Nations that require being born to a legal resident meeting some requirements to be a native-born citizen
Belgium, France, Malaysia (not based on parental residency but on personal residency of 6 years after birth), Portugal, South Africa, United Kingdom,

Nations that simply require being born on domestic soil to be a native-born citizen
Brazil, Canada, Greece, Lithuania, Peru, South Korea (but only if other citizenships are renounced), United States

Other
Liberian citizenship is only available to black Africans. And native born rights are only passed by birth to a citizen.

Quite a few countries will also allow you to "reclaim" citizenship if you can show a sufficient historical ethnic or national connection.

05-18-2007, 08:09 PM	#45
Alex . Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 13,354	Pretty much what scaeagles said. A pregnant woman comes here on vacation from Ireland with her husband and two other children. She goes into early labor while visiting the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and delivers a beautiful boy. Why is that kid an American? A very late term Russian woman is flying from Novosibirsk to Toronto to visit her sister and goes into labor and delivers on the plane while it is in Alaskan airspace. Why is that kid an American citizen? You say it is a puzzling concept but the majority of the world does not work under the same system we do. Jus soli (right of soil) is common in the Western Hemisphere but is a byproduct of an earlier era when populations were low. It is something we inherited from the United Kingdom and they it it 25 years ago (you must now be born to a legal resident). India, Ireland, and New Zealand are all countries that used to be on our system but have changed to san sanguinus (right of bloos) so that you are only automatically a citizen if born to at least one citizen parent. This is by far the standard form of bestowing citizenship (in the United States we are both; if born abroad to American parents you are a citizen, if born domestically to foreign parents you are a citizen). Here's a list (accumulated through Wikipedia) of various countries and how they handle citizenship by birth. We're pretty much in the oddball camp as far as the world is concerned. Nations that require being born to a citizen to be a native-born citizen Australia, Austria, Belarus, China, Czech Republic, Finland, Germany, Hungary, Iceland, India, Israel, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Malta, Morocco (only through the father), Nepal, New Zealand, Norway, Philippines, Poland, Serbia, Singapore, Slovakia, Slovenia, Sweden, Switzerland, The Netherlands, Turkey Nations that require being born to a legal resident meeting some requirements to be a native-born citizen Belgium, France, Malaysia (not based on parental residency but on personal residency of 6 years after birth), Portugal, South Africa, United Kingdom, Nations that simply require being born on domestic soil to be a native-born citizen Brazil, Canada, Greece, Lithuania, Peru, South Korea (but only if other citizenships are renounced), United States Other Liberian citizenship is only available to black Africans. And native born rights are only passed by birth to a citizen. Quite a few countries will also allow you to "reclaim" citizenship if you can show a sufficient historical ethnic or national connection. Last edited by Alex : 05-18-2007 at 08:24 PM.
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