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OK,
I had a long response to many points that once I hit submit, it kept asking me to log in (even though I was) so I am taking it as a hint from a higher power (even if that is a SQL database) that I am not supposed to respond to Alex point by point. (I lost the post twice)
Bottom line is this:
It looks like you think treatment centers and court ordered programs to be AA. They are not. Read AA's traditions:
"An A.A. group ought never endorse, finance or lend the A.A. name to any related facility or outside enterprise, lest problems of money, property and prestige divert us from our primary purpose."
You call AA a "farce" yet you have know personally many people whom it has helped who would not have a chance had it not been for AA.
If you consider something that has saved many of your personal friends lives a farce, than that seems like a slap in the face of those friends.
It looks t me like you are picking a fight based on closed mindedness and misinformation, and I for one do take it personally.
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