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Ideologically I find Hillary and Obama about the same. I think Hillary does have the claim of experience in that she knows she has to make deals to get things done - but e3xpect a lot of political theater because no Republican is going to want to be seen as making deals with her.

Obama on the other hand may spend the first part of his presidency pursuing his ideals and geting nowhere (like Clinton and Health Care) then he'll get down to bargaining and be seen as a sell out by the democrats, but easier for the republicans to deal with.

As much as either would like to get out of Iraq, they'll discover quickly that that is no easy proposition as the republicans will start criticizing the costs of the war.

Of course on the other side, neither republican will be able to advance their agenda either, though both will be able to make deals with the democrats and be seen as sell outs to their party faithful.

They will continue to support the war, but take a lot of heat for fuzzy definitions of what "winning" is as the public gets bored and annoyed with our increaingly senseless mission.