[katiesue]

The rangers who I've talked to about the group sites have been quite helpful and I'm sure can give you more information about the exact locations. The number they called me from on Friday was 559-565-3341. They do call back if you leave a message. Having only been in the area last year I have no idea locations etc.

My two cents - the kings canyon sites seemed to be pretty empty when we were there last year. If we're going even earlier in June I'd be fine with chancing it and picking out our own sites. The problem is communication with the others coming in at later times. But I'm sure we can figure out some sort of smoke signal system.

What if we compromise - do a group campsite in Kings Canyon for the whole group camping experience. Then as ISM suggested, another time, and maybe even this year, reserve a lodge or something in Yosemite proper for that experince (or plan ahead enough and do the lodge thing next summer instead?). Just a suggestion. That or we just have to break into smaller groups to do yosemite camping.

I'm happy to fax to them again with alternate dates just let me know what's decided.