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I think the Guantanamo thing was a mess from the start, as we tried to contrive some sort of quasi-place subject to no normal laws or jurisdictions where the laws of our country as well as the Geneva convention don't stand - we were trying to skirt all the laws through legal technicalities and loopholes. The whole notion of a just society rests on the premise that everyone is treated fairly, even the most odious, for that is where it is tested. If we cannot succeed in that fashion, then maybe it's time to pronounce our system dead and adopt a new model.