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					Originally Posted by  wendybeth
					 
				 
				 We all have strong opinions about this subject and it's inevitable that things will get heated, but personal attacks are never cool- an ad hominem attack is usually the last refuge of someone who lacks any real substance in their argument yet wants to continue on. 
			
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Please note that personal attacks do not have to be ad hominem.  Yes, I resorted to that, admittedly and unfortunately, but certainly not because it was my only thing to say to keep it going.  However, I was indeed personally attacked without it being ad hominem.  This is not fishing for an apology - I honestly do not need one nor do I care - I just want to point out while I participated I certainly did not start it.