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Originally Posted by scaeagles
Or how the system can handle 40 million more people having regular doctor visits without an increase in the number of doctors. Or how waiting times will increase because of that.
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This particularly argument makes not sense to me (and seems really cruel since it appears you're arguing for stringent rationing; i.e. it is bad to provide health coverage to 40 million people who currently have none because it would slow things down for those who currently do have some) and it looks like you're abandoning your capitalist credentials (an increase in demand will apparently not result in an increase in supply). Would you be willing to expand on the thought since I'm sure neither of those are true.
And I know you say you don't watch the various reviled talking heads. I'll take you at your for that. It is, therefore, interesting that through some apparent osmosis much of the time whatever arguments you make for or against a position are the same as what they were saying just a few days before or happen to currently be a link on the Drudge Report. To me, observing you, it looks like you're very much consuming what they say, you just may be getting it secondarily. Either that or you actually do have though processes similar to Glenn Beck. That would be worse.
And yes, "astroturfing" in the sense of centralized and organized excitement of supposedly grassroots movements exists on all sides of the political spectrum and has for approximately 1.2 million years (413 years in Kansas, Alabaman, and parts of Florida) since the first hominid really felt we should get out of the trees to look for food and so slept with the alpha males mate and tricked her into presenting it to him as her own idea.
I have no problem with that. I do have a lot of problem with said leaders telling outright lies and fabrications in pursuit of it. And no, to say that the health care reform opposition is telling some amazing whoppers is not to say that everything they say is a lie. So pointing out some valid concerns is not an amelioration of the charge.
If I say:
1) The sky is blue
2) Cap'n Crunch cereal tastes good but cuts up the roof of your mouth
3) Comcast is a cable company
4) Your grandma is a coprophiliac
When you say "my grandma is NOT a coprophiliac and you're a horrible person for saying such a despicable lie" it would be rightly viewed as in no way redeeming myself if I said "what? but the sky really is blue!"