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Originally Posted by BDBopper

LIFE: Is anyone being denied their right to live - Is anyone being murdered?

The right to live as they choose? Yes. Murder is a silly straw man argument.

Originally Posted by BDBopper

LIBERTY: Is anyone's freedom being taken away

Yes, our freedom to be treated equal. We are also being denied the thousands of benefits that straight couples are eligible to under marriage laws.

Originally Posted by BDBopper

PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS/PROPERTY: : Is something physically being stolen or the ability for someone to have property being violated?

Of course it infringes on people’s pursuit of happiness in that it denies those who wish to marry the right to do so.

As for property, another yes. Married couples have automatic rights of survivorship and joint tenancy. How would you like to come home from your partner’s funeral to find his family has changed the locks and that everything you own is going to be sold to line their pockets. [/b][/quote]

Originally Posted by BDBopper

When you ask these questions of Gay Marriage existing the answers are clearly no.

On the contrary; they are a clear and resounding YES.

Originally Posted by BDBopper

I have two issues.with the movement. which makes some people rather uncomfortable.

1. Our opinions will obviously differ on this but I see a lot of the environmental movement being more "Anti-Capitalism" then "let's leave the campground cleaner than we found it" In that same being I fear (and so do many others) see the Marriage issue being more about an assault on the church. What I mean is that a lot of these laws &amendments being written include the refusal of a church to marry two men or two women as a hate crime with severe penalties.

Whomever told you that is lying to you. As iSm pointed out, the exact opposite is true. You have also been misinformed about gay marriage being an attack on religion. That is patently ridiculous. There are many churches that strongly support gay marriage. You could, in fact, say that their religious rights are being suppressed by the ban on gay marriage.

Originally Posted by BDBopper

2. Courts/Constitution: The process that has just occurred in your state I don't have much problem with. The legislative branch acted, the people voted, and the judicial branch came in to check. So a Constitutional Amendment was written to definie Marriage, the people voted, and the judicial branch did its thing again. I'm a bit uncomfortable with a Federal court throwing out a passed amendment to a state's Constitution (has that ever happened before?) otherwise no foul. What I do have a problem with is what happened in Iowa. Everything happened in reverse. The Supreme Court of Iowa decided one day last year to declare gay marriage to be legal and play activists (which is a violation of the State Constitution because they decided to write their own law from the bench.

It is the job of the federal judiciary to examine laws passed by the states, if that law is challenged in court, to ensure they do not violate the US Constitution. No state law or constitution can contradict the US Constitution, no matter how many people voted for it. The majority does not rule, the US Constitution does.

And yes, the federal courts have overturned provisions of various state constitutions for being in conflict with the US Constitution many, many times.

Originally Posted by BDBopper

A candidate for Governor of Iowa (whom I campaigned heavily for because of his advocacy for those with disabilities) wanted to write an executive order to put a stay on Gay Marriage until the people could vote on the issue. While the candidate, who lost is anti-Gay Marriage, the effort had nothing to do with Marriage at all. Because the executive or legislative branches in Iowa did nothing to stand up for the Separation of Powers that exists in Iowa's Constitution the judicial branch has now been allowed to run roughshod over the other branches and the people. It wouldn't be anywhere near a problem if things had progressed in Iowa like in the California version of this. (That candidate is now fighting to get the people to vote no on retention of three of these justices to send a message to Judicial Branch)

This begs the question, “Why does that candidate hate the US system of government?” The judiciary, in this case, is doing exactly what it has been created to do. Why is that so bad? Why is that wrong? Because you don’t agree with it? Sorry, it doesn’t work that way.

Originally Posted by BDBopper

Yes it is true that in every state that has voted on the issue, traditional marriage has won every time. What is lost on most people though is that America is a Republic, not a Democracy (Majority or Mob Rule). There are checks and balances that make up our system of Government.

Sorry again. The US is not run by mob rule. We have a Constitutional Democratic Republic. The majority does not have the right to withhold or remove the rights of the minority. To suggest or believe otherwise is completely un-American.

Originally Posted by BDBopper

Now on to taxes and to Huckabee. Yes both are related because of an ironic twist. For all the rhetoric...including what was linked to above, one of the key aspects of his platform, The FairTax would take away a major hurdle to getting the Government out of marriage regulation? Because the FairTax would replace the current tax on income (what we earn) to a tax on what is consumed at the point of sale, there seems to be no real good reason for Big Brother to regulate marriage anymore because the information of whether you are married or not is not needed for tax collecting purposes anymore,

(To be continued...my fingers are tired of typing at the moment).

The, so called, “fair tax” is just another scheme to make the rich richer. It would further decimate the middle class and impoverish millions, while adding more wealth and power to the already wealthy and powerful. No thanks!