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					Originally Posted by Brendan  Y  Flying LAX-SFO is usually a 4 hour exercise in misery, so I'm thinking if they can get the train time down to about 6 hours it'll be totally worth it. | 
	
 What makes you say that?  I'm flying up later in the month, and I don't see it being a 4-hour process, much less one of misery.  What happened to you that was so miserable?
On the real topic at hand (sort of): Is there train service from L.A. to Victorville from which you can catch the wonderful train to Vegas?