So much for the Plame outing

Nephythys · 08-29-2006, 02:21 PM

She was not outed by the administration (by that I mean the President, VP or his direct staff)
She was not outed as revenge
She was not outed to damage her life and her husbands

More where all this comes from

People were SO eager to buy into the story because they wanted to believe it- so much for that.

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As most of us have long suspected, the man who told Novak about Valerie Plame was Richard Armitage, Colin Powell's deputy at the State Department and, with his boss, an assiduous underminer of the president's war policy.

sleepyjeff · 08-29-2006, 02:40 PM

Presidents fault for not cleaning house when he first came into office....what was he thinking keeping so many people who despised him?

At least the truth is coming out now.....not that it will matter much because the mainstream media won't cover this angle anywhere near to the extent it covered the angle that was negative to the admin.

scaeagles · 08-29-2006, 09:46 PM

It's just not as much fun unless it's conspiratorial and revenge motivated.

Don't forget this key part fo the article - Wilson completely botched his investigation in Africa. He blew it. Whether intentionally or not....probably will never be known for sure, but I have my suspicions, and I'm sure everyone can guess what they are.

I don't think you'll see that particular aspect played up either. Because that would back up the original reason for invasion of Iraq - WMD and attempt to restart and/or further WMD programs.

innerSpaceman · 08-29-2006, 09:57 PM

Are you talking about an article on freaking "Slate"???

Sorry, but I'm not about to turn knowledge upside down based on that alone. Richard Armitage being Novak's source is one thing (Novak has given prior indications), but on what basis and whose say-so is Slate claiming that the Wilson investigation in Niger was botched? There's gonna have to be some pretty expert evidence as to that charge.

And it still doesn't explain Scooter Libby's involvement, or why he would be lying to federal investigators about the doings in the Vice-President's office for the sake of covering the fukups of bloody Richard Armitage at the State Department.

scaeagles · 08-29-2006, 10:07 PM

I can't speak to other wranglings, but the story about it being Armitage is everywhere and pretty widely accepted and well within Novak's description of someone who was "not a partisan gun slinger".

As far as Wilson botching the investigation and lying, we've been over it many times before with sources cited, and nothing is going to go anywhere with it, so there's no point.

Stan4dSteph · 08-30-2006, 06:39 AM

Huh? I thought this was going to be about some sort of meet somewhere named "Plame."

Gemini Cricket · 08-30-2006, 07:11 AM

scaeagles · 08-30-2006, 07:13 AM

Now GC.....should the story right now be that it was in fact Rove leaked her name with vengence on his mind, instead of Armitage all on his own who immediately reported it to Powell as a big boo-boo, do you still think it would be beating that same dead horse? I think not.

innerSpaceman · 08-30-2006, 07:42 AM

Oh, I don't think dead horse. That Armitage is finally confirmed as the source of the Novak leak is indeed fresh news ... and does indeed change the nature of what we Libs thought was going on.

Not 100%, mind you, because the V.P.'s office was still clearly involved in other leaks that, just because they weren't first, does not make them legal.

But I'll freely admit the nefarious conspiracy theories have not proved to play out according to our most salacious imaginings.

Nephythys · 08-30-2006, 08:00 AM

no- it's only a dead horse now that it did not yield the revelation of some evil intent in the administration.

08-29-2006, 02:40 PM	#2
sleepyjeff Go Hawks Go! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Parkrose Posts: 2,632	Presidents fault for not cleaning house when he first came into office....what was he thinking keeping so many people who despised him? At least the truth is coming out now.....not that it will matter much because the mainstream media won't cover this angle anywhere near to the extent it covered the angle that was negative to the admin. __________________ River Guardian-less
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scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	It's just not as much fun unless it's conspiratorial and revenge motivated. Don't forget this key part fo the article - Wilson completely botched his investigation in Africa. He blew it. Whether intentionally or not....probably will never be known for sure, but I have my suspicions, and I'm sure everyone can guess what they are. I don't think you'll see that particular aspect played up either. Because that would back up the original reason for invasion of Iraq - WMD and attempt to restart and/or further WMD programs.
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08-29-2006, 09:57 PM	#4
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Are you talking about an article on freaking "Slate"??? Sorry, but I'm not about to turn knowledge upside down based on that alone. Richard Armitage being Novak's source is one thing (Novak has given prior indications), but on what basis and whose say-so is Slate claiming that the Wilson investigation in Niger was botched? There's gonna have to be some pretty expert evidence as to that charge. And it still doesn't explain Scooter Libby's involvement, or why he would be lying to federal investigators about the doings in the Vice-President's office for the sake of covering the fukups of bloody Richard Armitage at the State Department.
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08-29-2006, 10:07 PM	#5
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	I can't speak to other wranglings, but the story about it being Armitage is everywhere and pretty widely accepted and well within Novak's description of someone who was "not a partisan gun slinger". As far as Wilson botching the investigation and lying, we've been over it many times before with sources cited, and nothing is going to go anywhere with it, so there's no point.
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Stan4dSteph Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: East Bay Area, CA Posts: 3,156	Huh? I thought this was going to be about some sort of meet somewhere named "Plame."
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08-30-2006, 07:13 AM	#8
scaeagles I LIKE! Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 7,819	Now GC.....should the story right now be that it was in fact Rove leaked her name with vengence on his mind, instead of Armitage all on his own who immediately reported it to Powell as a big boo-boo, do you still think it would be beating that same dead horse? I think not.
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08-30-2006, 07:42 AM	#9
innerSpaceman Kink of Swank Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Inner Space Posts: 13,075	Oh, I don't think dead horse. That Armitage is finally confirmed as the source of the Novak leak is indeed fresh news ... and does indeed change the nature of what we Libs thought was going on. Not 100%, mind you, because the V.P.'s office was still clearly involved in other leaks that, just because they weren't first, does not make them legal. But I'll freely admit the nefarious conspiracy theories have not proved to play out according to our most salacious imaginings.
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08-30-2006, 08:00 AM	#10
Nephythys Yeah, that's about it- Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In a state of constant crap to get done Posts: 2,688	no- it's only a dead horse now that it did not yield the revelation of some evil intent in the administration.
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