Is it bad that I agree with this?

Capt Jack · 09-13-2006, 11:24 AM

Skinny Models Banned from Fashion Show

ok, maybe not the banning part, but that the fashion industry is partly (hugely?) to blame for the, as they put it "heroin chic" unhealthy, overly thin look that alot of youngsters are unwisely striving for.

I dont really see a problem with them trying to keep their future models from dying before they ever reach the runway.

You've got to start somewhere I suppose.

thoughts?

CoasterMatt · 09-13-2006, 11:32 AM

I think it rocks.

katiesue · 09-13-2006, 11:47 AM

I agree too. Also why not desgin clothes that normal sized persons can actually fit in?

Alex · 09-13-2006, 11:51 AM

Because designing the clothes they have designed made them rich?

€uroMeinke · 09-13-2006, 11:52 AM

I thought "Heroin Chic" was already passé. I understand where they are coming from, but I'm not sure this will really do much - banning models below a certain BMI number. Seems as discriminatory as banning someone above a certain BMI number and I doubt anyone would agree to that.

Models almost by definition represent an ideal, but there are so many other places those ideals are represented. Should films be banned based on the size of the actors? How about athletes, teachers, or other role models?

Fashions reflect the times, I'm not so sure they create them.

Capt Jack · 09-13-2006, 12:12 PM

true they represent an 'ideal' which will surely vary from person to person (surely not my personal ideal, but I digress), but rarely does anyone considered 'over X BMI number' do so intentionally...whereas a great many of those they're referring to go to great horridly unhealthy lengths to 'fit the designer ideal' for what amounts to a job. in order to curb this, I think those who support those designers have to indeed step up and say "uh...this isnt a good idea. lets change it" even if this particular method might not be the best idea.

but you make an excellent point. reversing descrimination doesnt make it a good thing in its own right.

Strangler Lewis · 09-13-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Seems as discriminatory as banning someone above a certain BMI number and I doubt anyone would agree to that.

I don't know. Numbers can get awfully big.

But seriously, model image is just one component of how fashion victimizes women or just plain makes them look stupid.

A few years back, young women were walking around the workplace on three and four inch flip flops that made stiletto heels look sensible.

And Brazilian bikini waxes. Who was the first joker who, about to have sex, recoiled, stroked his chin thoughtfully and said, "No, no, I cannot f*** this p****. It has not suffered enough." And why did women believe him?

Don't get me started on tattooes.

LSPoorEeyorick · 09-13-2006, 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by €uroMeinke

Seems as discriminatory as banning someone above a certain BMI number and I doubt anyone would agree to that.

As much as I appreciate the appreciation of normal-looking people (you all know that's my MO) this was exactly the point I was going to make before you beat me to the punch!

Alex · 09-13-2006, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Capt Jack

but rarely does anyone considered 'over X BMI number' do so intentionally

I think it is safe to say that most (not all, but most) people over X BMI do so intentionally. They may not like that it is the result (or prefer it over choosing another BMI) of what they choose to do but it is still voluntary.

If someone wants to starve themselves and someone else thinks this makes a dress look best then I don't see why it is anybody else's place to interfere with that.

Since the goal is to require "healthy body images" I would assume that this implies a cap on BMI as well (though I doubt any designers were approaching it). I don't think turning away a BMI of 29 (or whatever the top of healthy is) because "girls emulate what they see and it would encourage them to put on weight to a level known to increase the chances of diabetes and heart disease" would fly very well.

Strangler Lewis · 09-13-2006, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Stroup

I think it is safe to say that most (not all, but most) people over X BMI do so intentionally. . .

Agreed. I've been in great shape, and I've been abysmal shape, and I know it takes hard work and diligence to accomplish both.

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€uroMeinke L'Hédoniste Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: A.S.C.O.T. Posts: 8,671	I thought "Heroin Chic" was already passé. I understand where they are coming from, but I'm not sure this will really do much - banning models below a certain BMI number. Seems as discriminatory as banning someone above a certain BMI number and I doubt anyone would agree to that. Models almost by definition represent an ideal, but there are so many other places those ideals are represented. Should films be banned based on the size of the actors? How about athletes, teachers, or other role models? Fashions reflect the times, I'm not so sure they create them. __________________ I would believe only in a God that knows how to Dance. Friedrich Nietzsche
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Capt Jack check your head Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 4,174	true they represent an 'ideal' which will surely vary from person to person (surely not my personal ideal, but I digress), but rarely does anyone considered 'over X BMI number' do so intentionally...whereas a great many of those they're referring to go to great horridly unhealthy lengths to 'fit the designer ideal' for what amounts to a job. in order to curb this, I think those who support those designers have to indeed step up and say "uh...this isnt a good idea. lets change it" even if this particular method might not be the best idea. but you make an excellent point. reversing descrimination doesnt make it a good thing in its own right. __________________ a clear conscience is a sure sign of a fuzzy memory
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